2009 KY Derby 135th edition; final post-position/odds p28

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Dunkirk looks interesting.[/QUOTE]

Per Pletcher he’s going to race next (after today’s allowance win by 4 3/4 lenghths) in the Grade 1 Florida Derby March 28th.

“That was a beautiful performance. I couldn’t be more pleased,” Pletcher said in the winner’s circle after the race. “It was asking an awful lot of this horse to stretch out to a mile and one-eighth off a seven-furlong maiden win against a stakes-quality field like this. And the way he overcame all that adversity on the first turn with no problem proved he is a special horse.”

I’ve been watching Stardom Bound with great interest. I love how she closes like a freight train in the stretch. She’s such a gorgeous filly.

I also like Pioneer of the Nile too.

Youtube: Video - Feb 19, 2009 Dunkirk at Gulfstream - Race 8 - allowance

Note: Either Larry C. was making a terrible call or the above audio/video is not in synch

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Video replay of Evita Argentina in the Grade 2 San Vicente Stakes Feb 16, 2009 - worth a look[/QUOTE]

Deja vu from March 2008?

Video: Turfway Park Race 11, 3-1-08, $100k John Battaglia Memorial Stakes

What do you think?

I think Dunkirk is the real deal, OMG.

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I think Dunkirk is the real deal, OMG.[/QUOTE]

Talented indeed but then again they didn’t pay $3.7M for him for nothing :wink:

As will be cited by many others with the ‘knocks’ as to why he can’t win the Kentucky Derby: he has no graded earnings as of now, he was unraced at 2, he’s only defeated allowance company, he’s only run at Gulfstream and appears will only venture off it for the KY Derby if he gets in, and he’ll only have 3 races under his belt before the Derby.

The pros of course being that the race yesterday was more akin to a stakes race with the company in it, he’s already done two turns and raced over 1 mi, he’s dealt with traffic and more thick field size nicely, plus he’ll rate and has a very nice kick.

Glimmer–any news on Crowded House from across the pond? Liked him much as a juvie.

Nancy

The audio/video are grossly out of synch --the chart has the race won in 1:50.15, the youtube video is only 1:31-- so don’t be dissin’ Larry C. :winkgrin:

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The audio/video are grossly out of synch --the chart has the race won in 1:50.15, the youtube video is only 1:31-- so don’t be dissin’ Larry C. :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]

Yea - I got smacked down on asking the same elsewhere :wink:

It appears that Gulfstream won’t allow their vids to appear on Calracing’s replays and like. JHC! The MEC owned tracks seem to treat replays like they’re a map to the Crown Jewels. As such someone had to make that bootleg version … well when they file for Chapter 11 hopefully things will change.

Per the TB Times Crowded House will be running overseas and not pointed to the Kentucky Derby at all:

“I was pretty surprised to see he was nominated,” [co-owner Paul Reddam] said with a laugh on Wednesday. “There hasn’t been any serious thought to doing that [running him in the American Triple Crown]. His plan would tentatively be the Two Thousand Guineas (Eng-G1) and then the Epsom Derby (Eng-G1).”

Pioneerof the Nile is still my favorite after seeing the horses this weekend. He is improving.

Another horse that is improving that is getting no mention at all is a horse called Massone. I don’t know how good Massone is, but I’ve been watching him for awhile, and he may make some noise later on. His dam did not get good until she was a 4 yo, so he is most likely a late bloomer. He also is a bit immature looking and is still built downhill. Definitely one to watch.

Dunkirk is getting a lot of hype, but he is a bit slower than Curlin and Big Brown were at this point in their careers. I don’t get the ‘wow’ factor when watching him that I did when horses like Rags to Riches, Curlin, and Big Brown broke their maidens.

The Dunkirk hype is amazing then again each weekend another horse wins and the flavor of the week rises to the top. I was shocked when HRTV’s snapshop of the Derby field for this week made remarks that “Dunkirk goes to the top” of the Derby list. Are you kidding me?

Video 2-20-09 HRTV’s ‘Pursuit of the Crown’ (26 min 20 sec)

How about others who once were “hot” but just because they’re not front an center the memory fades - example Beethoven. From the DRF he had a lovely work Fri morning

“He really kicked hard when Calvin asked him to run,” said trainer John Ward Jr. “He finished like one of those babies in the 2-year-old in training sales.”

Beethoven will be part of a Grade 2 Fountain of Youth [Feb 28] field that likely will also include Grade 2 Hutcheson Stakes winner Capt. Candyman Can, Spectacular Bid winner Notonthesamepage, Sunshine Millions Dash winner This Ones for Phil, Quality Road, Theregoesjojo, the undefeated Taqarub, Grade 3 winner Break Water Edison, Salo Jak, and Jack Spratt.

Calvin was on Warrior’s Reward [previously unbeaten] in the race against Dunkirk Thursday 2/19 and remarked this about Dunkirk:

“Calvin was second in the race, and he told me this morning he got beat by a very nice horse,” said Ward.

Unlike Bob Baffert and waiting until the Kentucky Derby to test his synthetic-only horse Pioneerof the Nile one of his West Coast counterpoints is shiping off Santa Anita ‘soil’ and testing the real stuff next month: I Want Revenge (traine by Jeff Mullins) and and ridden by Joe Talamo will move their show in New York.

I Want Revenge will ship cross-country later this week to prepare for a start in the Grade 3, $250,000 Gotham Stakes at Aqueduct on March 7.

"He didn’t act like he handled Santa Anita that well, not as well as he did Hollywood Park,’’ Mullins said. "Hollywood Park has basically transformed into a dirt track anyway. If we got Triple Crown dreams, we want to see if he can handle the dirt or not before we get too far.’’

Mullins said he is hoping to line up transportation later this week to fly I Want Revenge to New York so that he could get one workout over the inner track before the Gotham. Mullins said if I Want Revenge were to run well in the Gotham - run at 1 1/16 miles - he may stay in New York and run in the Grade 1 Wood Memorial over Aqueduct’s main track on April 4.

Looks like Ramon Dominguez is off Haynesfield although that’s simply out of circumstances for now although in the Kentucky Derby Ramon would be up on Old Fashioned anyhow.

Carol Seaver, the racing manager for Harvey Weinstein’s Turtle Bird Stable, said Monday afternoon that Weinstein has chosen C.C. Lopez to ride Haynesfield in the Gotham. Ramon Dominguez, who had ridden Haynesfield to three consecutive stakes wins, is committed to ride Court Vision that day in the $1 million Santa Anita Handicap.

Some other Gotham runners in addition to Masala, Naos and Imperial Council include:

Mr. Fantasy, unbeaten in two starts; Russell Road, a winner of six straight at Charles Town and Laurel; and possibly Wildcat Brief, second in the Fred “Cappy” Capossela Stakes.

Official Kentucky Derby soundtrack? Business Journal of Milwaukee Feb 16, 2009

Banshee Music of New Berlin (WI) has formed a strategic partnership with horse track operator Churchill Downs Inc. to formulate an official soundtrack for the 135th running of the Kentucky Derby.

Banshee said Thursday its contributors have composed 15 songs in a multitude of musical styles for the thoroughbred racing event to be held at Churchill Downs May 2. The selections include the official infield party anthem and the theme for the Derby’s companion event, the Kentucky Oaks 135 on May 1.

The complete Kentucky Derby 135 playlist will be available in March at http://www.KentuckyDerbyParty.com

Derby sponsor Mountain Dew has announced plans to give away free downloads of the official infield party anthem on 12 million regionally distributed cans in the weeks leading up to Derby weekend.

Interesting marketing strategy.

Dunkirk fans take note: some very serious scientific backing to help you make your 09 Derby pick.

Eh, does everything have to tie back to Barbaro - instead of just admiring an effort for being worthy on its own?

Garrett Gomez’s cross-country trip on Thursday may prove to be one of the most profitable jaunts of his career if Dunkirk continues to act like the second coming of Barbaro.

Or there is this variation of who Dunkirk is: Dunkirk - Big Brown reincarnated? :wink:

I said the same on the Paulick Derby Index: Dunkirk while interesting is facing tough odds just to get to the starting gate of the Kentucky Derby.

His next effort is the Grade 1 $750k Florida Derby to be held March 28th and ironically for which Dunkirk was not nominated. It will be his 1st graded stakes run - not a Grade 3 race with a small field but rather an almost guaranteed full house with multiple prior graded stakes runners in there.

Pletcher has said that from the FL Derby they’d go to the Kentucky, presumably with no races in between so 30-days off, yet Dunkirk has to either win the FL Derby (and the $450k graded check) or take 2nd (with a $150k check) to stand a fair chance at securing a slot for Churchill. 3rd place is only $75k in graded money and I don’t see that cutting it to get into the KY Derby this year. In fact the $150k 2nd place might come up shy.

My point? If he doesn’t win the Florida Derby which would be extraordinarily impressive he might not have the chance to show what he can do in the Kentucky Derby. Which is a shame as finishing 3rd with an excuse or two in the FL Derby shouldn’t diminish him being an impressive horse.

So sadly by not doing at least a couple of graded stakes races before the Derby this chance of missing going to the big dance by putting all the eggs in one basket is the risk.

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My point? If he doesn’t win the Florida Derby which would be extraordinarily impressive he might not have the chance to show what he can do in the Kentucky Derby. Which is a shame as finishing 3rd with an excuse or two in the FL Derby shouldn’t diminish him being an impressive horse.

So sadly by not doing at least a couple of graded stakes races before the Derby this chance of missing going to the big dance by putting all the eggs in one basket is the risk.[/QUOTE]

So they should have railroaded him into a Derby prep shoe horn? If he wasn’t ready he wasn’t ready. I’m sure Msser’s Plecther, Magnier, Tabor et al know a thing or two about when a horse is ready to race.

The Kentucky Derby isn’t the be all and end all. He could be a nice late developing 3yo, no harm in that. I’ll take Bernardini and Tiznow over some of the forgotten Derby winners of recent times.

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So they should have railroaded him into a Derby prep shoe horn? If he wasn’t ready he wasn’t ready. I’m sure Msser’s Plecther, Magnier, Tabor et al know a thing or two about when a horse is ready to race.

The Kentucky Derby isn’t the be all and end all. He could be a nice late developing 3yo, no harm in that. I’ll take Bernardini and Tiznow over some of the forgotten Derby winners of recent times.[/QUOTE]

We’re not in disagreement on this as indeed the KY Derby is not (nor should it be) the be-all focus for Dunkirk’s career. That said if they are fixed on him going there I feel for the guy being given just one shot at making it. As cited by the BloodHorse’s Steve Haskin and his ‘Dozen’ and perhaps reflects my comment more concisely:

Why can’t we get freaky horses like this who don’t have to go into the Derby off only three career starts? This horse finally provided the “Wow” factor that’s been missing this year, but he’s way behind the eight ball time-wise.

63rd Fountain of Youth at just 1 mi (first time reduced)

Saturday’s $250,000 Fasig-Tipton Fountain of Youth Stakes (Grade 2) at Gulfstream Park will be a damn fine race to watch at least on paper :wink: The shortened distance may have added to the full field - 12 horses - with one likely to drop out but still the speed potential is wicked for a 1-mi race

How much speed is there? Try the Beyer Figs for 2 of the entries
This Ones for Phil, has earned a 116
Notonthesamepage, has earned a 114

Interestingly per the DRF the entry “Take The Points” is supposed to be in the Sham Stakes at Santa Anita and will scratch if they fix da plane …

But when the colt’s flight to Southern California had mechanical problems and did not leave as scheduled on Wednesday, Pletcher decided to keep his options open and enter Take the Points in both races.

“I’ve been told the mechanical issues have been taken care of and the flight will leave at 6 a.m. on Thursday,” Pletcher said Wednesday. "And if that’s the case, we’ll be on it, because I think the Sham is a better spot for us than the Fountain of Youth for a number of reasons.

$250,000 Fountain of Youth Stakes (Grade 2)
Saturday Feb 28, 2009
Race 9 at Gulfstream Park @ 5:14 pm EST
TV coverage: HRTV
Distance/surface: 1 mile/dirt

PP. Horse, Weight, Jockey

  1. Bee Cee Cee (FL), 120, Cornelio H. Velasquez
  2. Theregoesjojo (KY), 116, Kent J. Desormeaux
  3. Notonthesamepage (KY), 120, Elvis Trujillo
  4. Take the Points (KY), 116, Christopher P. DeCarlo
  5. Jack Spratt (KY), 120, Rene R. Douglas
  6. Rocketing Returns (FL), 116, Jose Lezcano
  7. Beethoven (KY), 122, Calvin H. Borel
  8. Break Water Edison (KY), 122, Eibar Coa
  9. Capt. Candyman Can (KY), 122, Julien R. Leparoux
  10. Taqarub (KY), 120, Alan Garcia
  11. Quality Road (VA), 114, John R. Velazquez
  12. This Ones for Phil (FL), 120, Edgar S. Prado

As cited the other big prep race this weekend will be on the left coast and Santa Anita featuring the well liked Grapefruit and an interesting dark horse yet to be tested with Mr. Hot Stuff

$200,000 Sham Stakes (Grade 3)
Saturday Feb 28, 2009
Santa Anita Race Course
Race 9 at 4:38 p.m. PST
Distance/surface: 1 1/8 Miles / All Weather (Pro-Ride)

PP. Horse, Weight, Jockey

  1. Hi Flyin Indy (KY), 116, Alonso Quinonez
  2. Smart Bid (PA), 118, Rafael Bejarano
  3. Tiz True (KY), 116, Aaron T. Gryder
  4. Lifeline (KY), 116, Tyler Baze
  5. The Pamplemousse (KY), 118, Alex O. Solis
  6. Balfour Park (KY), 116, Brice Blanc
  7. Mr. Hot Stuff (KY), 116, Corey S. Nakatani
  8. Bourbon Bay (KY), 116, Joel Rosario
  9. Ventana (KY), 116, Jesus M. Rios
  10. Mark S the Cooler (KY), 116, Joseph Talamo
  11. Unbridled Roman (CA), 116, Mike E. Smith
  12. Take the Points (KY), 118, Garrett K. Gomez

The sole horse to win off a career started at 3-yrs old: 1882’s winner Apollo. From HRTV/Jon White 2/26/09

Since 1955, Kentucky Derby starters who did not race at 2 are 0 for 44. Here’s the list:

No Regrets (finished 7th in 1956)
Gone Fishin’ (8th in 1958)
Our Dad (15th in 1959)
Gleaming Sword (14th in 1968)
Fourulla (19th in 1971)
Big Spruce (7th in 1972)
Kentuckian (10th in 1972)
Dr. Neale (15th in 1972)
Forego (4th in 1973)
Twice a Prince (12th in 1973)
Agitate (3rd in 1974)
Confederate Yankee (12th in 1974)
Media (5th in 1975)
Bold Chapeau (8th in 1975)
Amano (4th in 1976)
On the Sly (5th in 1976)
Affiliate (9th in 1977)
Best Person (15th in 1977)
Chief of Dixieland (9th in 1978)
Great Redeemer (10th in 1979)
Flying Nashua (8th in 1981)
Air Forbes One (7th in 1982)
Wavering Monarch (12th in 1982)
Majestic Shore (eased in 1984)
Irish Fighter (11th in 1985)
Wheatley Hall (6th in 1986)
Zabaleta (12th in 1986)
Pendleton Ridge (13th in 1990)
Corporate Report (9th in 1991)
Alydavid (14th in 1991)
Devil His Due (12th in 1992)
Disposal (18th in 1992)
Strodes Creek (2nd in 1994)
Pulpit (4th in 1997)
Desert Hero (13th in 1999)
Valhol (15th in 1999)
Wheelaway (5th in 2000)
Curule (7th in 2000)
Trippi (11th in 2000)
Atswhatimtalknabout (4th in 2003)
Song of the Sword (11th in 2004)
Greeley’s Galaxy (11th in 2005)
Showing Up (6th in 2006)
Curlin (3rd in 2007)