2009 KY Derby 135th edition; final post-position/odds p28

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It was fun to watch Jack O Lantern win at Hollywood yesterday in the Prevue Stakes. When I looked over the entries and odds, I thought, “hmm, winner?- cool name.” Did I bet him? NO![/QUOTE]

Yep it was a very nice effort by hugging the rail and making full use of covering as little amount of ground as possible!

What is very impressive is that this $10,500 horse (bought as a yearling at the Fasig-Tipton Kentucky October sale) was making such a big jump up from the claiming ranks. His last effort: 3 1/2-length winner in $75,000 maiden claiming company. Both successes may be attributed to an equipment change with blinkers added

Jack looked very good unlike the Baffert trainee Ventana - who clearly likes dirt and not synthetics - or even the wagering favorite of Backbackbackgone trained under Peter Miller.

Jack O’Lantern now has $63,700 in graded stakes earnings (this was a Grade 3) towards the Kentucky Derby.

Video replay inside the BloodHorse article

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BloodHorse 11-24-08 “Ky. Derby Trail: The Future is Now”

A few of the names cited in the Haskin’s article relative to the Wynn Sports Book future wager for the Derby:

I’m shocked that Break Water Edison is said to be listed at 60-1 in that future wager! He is a very, very legit contender! Add to that Old Fashioned (trained by Larry Jones) is listed at 40-1 although after this weekend’s Remsen (G2) he like 'Edison above will shift in odds.

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Chocolate Candy – Although he lost Gomez, this is still a horse to be reckoned with. The son of Candy Ride has won his last two for Jerry Hollendorfer and should only improve. If you like the Rasmussen Factor (inbred to top-class mares), he is inbred to Alanesian through Boldnesian and Herbalesian, the dam of Candy Ride’s sire Ride the Rails. Alanesian also is the dam of Princessnesian, who beat the boys in the Hollywood Gold Cup. He looks pretty attractive at 100-1.

Friesan Fire – This son of A.P. Indy was tabbed as something special by Larry Jones after he broke his maiden at Delaware Park. Jones and his wife Cindy felt he was as good a young prospect as they’ve ever had.

And already mentioned in this thread:

Indygo Mountain – Have no idea what you can get him at, as he wasn’t listed last week, but his one-mile maiden score at Churchill Downs was as good as it gets, and he’ll surely open at a low price. Bret Calhoun has him down at Fair Grounds and you can expect fireworks from this son of A.P. Indy. His female family is awesome, as his dam traces to Ribot twice through the legendary stallion’s two most potent sons, full brothers Graustark and His Majesty. He looks to have it all.

Jazzandthemagician – Son of Birdstone, out of a Cape town mare, he made an auspicious debut at Churchill Downs, winning by 3 1/4 lengths in a sharp 1:10 2/5. Trained by Dale Romans, he’s been available at 100-1. Tail-female line traces to greats Dr. Fager and Susan’s Girl.

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Wynn Las Vegas “future wager” odds as of 11-17-08 PDF file - best printed out to read

Not listed is one filly - Ocean Colors ('88 Derby winner Winning Colors last foal) who looked very promising until she tied up in his last effort in August. I haven’t seen her return to racing since

A few names - from the couple hundred listed - I’ll cite at longer odds:

Cribnote is listed at 75/1 which is a very nice return for a graded stakes runner
Dagnabit at 200/1
Friesan Fire 125/1
Backbackbackgone 200/1
Nicanor at 100/1
Munnings 100/1
Viscount 175/1

[Calico]

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Ocean Colors ('88 Derby winner Winning Colors last foal) [/QUOTE]

Winning Colors’ last foal is a grey or roan 2007 filly by Mr. Greeley. Ocean Colors is her second to last foal.

[Calico]

Saturday is stacked with 2 yo races. The Remsen has a really good field with best 2-turn Beyer horses, Old Fashioned and Hello Broadway (1/2 to Nobizlikeshowbiz).

[KatherineC]

The large Derby field makes me nervous as well. I always felt that Afleet Alex was seriously hampered in his attempt to win by the size of the field. He came up just a bit short. We would have had our triple crown winner finally as he did go on to win the Preakness and the Belmont.

What about Well Positioned as a prospect? Owned by Paul Pompa (owner of Big Brown as a 2 yo).

[Calico]

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Jack O’Lantern now has $63,700 in graded stakes earnings (this was a Grade 3) towards the Kentucky Derby.

Video replay inside the BloodHorse article[/QUOTE]

According to Richard Matlow (quoted in the DRF) Jack O Lantern came out of the Prevue with a condylar fracture and will be out for at least 6 months, if he ever comes back.

[justalittlex]

oh that’s so sad about Jack O Lantern.

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Thanks Calico for the update although I agree it bites

Hopefully he’ll return in the future just fine. They never do tend to as well however. Example, another surprising horse on last year’s chase injured early was Autism Awareness and he only just made his return on the 15th of Nov - finishing dead last sadly $50k optional claiming at GGF.

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To say that the Larry Jones trained colt Old Fashioned looked sensational in the Remsen is an understatement. That was a wicked solid victory!

The Rick Porter owned and Ramon Dominguez ridden colt looks like yet another excellent Derby candidate.

Replay of the race within the BloodHorse article

(As an aside, very sad to hear about the filly Springside who dazelled in her effort winning the $200,000 Demoiselle Stakes - Grade 2 - only to suffer multiple fractures in the pastern after galloping out afterwards. Not euthanized luckily but likely done with racing)

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Originally Posted by Calico
Larry Jones has a great looking colt that is not getting much buzz (yet) called Old Fashioned. His first two starts were very impressive, he looks like he could be the real deal. Really nice pedigree, too.

Yep - per the DRF

On Nov. 29, Jones will ship … Old Fashioned for the Grade 2 Remsen.

Old Fashioned is a 2-year-old son of Unbridled’s Song out of the Grade 3-winning mare Collect Call. Owner Richard Porter shelled out $800,000 for Old Fashioned as a yearling. After winning a six-furlong maiden race at Delaware by a nose on Oct. 6 - from which the second- and third-place finishers came back to win - Old Fashioned came back to take a first-level allowance race going a two-turn mile by 15 1/2 lengths.

“This horse is serious,” Jones said. “He’s a good-quality horse, we’ve got a lot of high hopes for him. He’ll be heading to Fair Grounds to start trying to get on the Derby trail.”

[Calico]

Just a timely anecdote - last year’s Remsen winner, Court Vision, became a millionaire by winning the Hollywood Derby on turf last weekend.

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This was Old Fashioned’s second career start before the win in the Remsen

Video: Delaware Park Nov 3, 2008 - 1st level allowance race, #7

[VirginiaBred]

@Glimmerglass

This was Old Fashioned’s second career start before the win in the Remsen

Video: Delaware Park Nov 3, 2008 - 1st level allowance race, #7

Impressive!

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youtube.com 2008 Remsen Stakes (G2) Nov 29, 2008 - a better copy of the race.

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The first list of would-be Derby candidates from Gary West of the Dallas/Ft Worth Star Telegram - Dec 1, 2008

1. Old Fashioned

2. Break Water Edison
3. Hello Broadway
4. Indygo Mountain
5. Pioneer Of The Nile
6. Quality Road
7. Well Positioned
8. Giant Oak
9. Trinity Magic
10. Silver City

The featured race at Churchill was, of course, the Kentucky Jockey Club Stakes, where Beethoven won. But, frankly, I was much more impressed with Giant Oak, who rallied five-wide and finished second, only a neck behind the winner, who had a perfect rail trip.

And so while faithful to the position that cats are best viewed in a bag, I’ll offer these Ten for the Triple Crown. It’s a highly personal list, and I’m not suggesting these are the top ten prospects – I intentionally exclude those such as Midshipman and Vineyard Haven who will take the Dubai road to the Triple Crown.

[justalittlex]

Have any of those horses raced or trained in California?

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Have any of those horses raced or trained in California?[/QUOTE]

Off the top of my head I know that Pioneer of the Nile (by Empire Maker) owned by Zayat is California based. He raced in the Breeders Cup although not terribly successful and I think has just one victory to his credit …

[justalittlex]

Thanks for the info, glimmerglass. I saw Court Vision win this weekend (while betting on Cowboy Cal and Albahri.) In the paddock neither of the latter looked outstanding, purely subjective. I noticed Court Vision’s odds going lower and lower right before the race and wondered how some folks got that figured! Dominguez was winning jockey on both Grade 1’s that day.

[mroades]

Court Vision was very game…he looks little, is he?

[justalittlex]

To tell you the truth, I didn’t notice Court Vision so much, as I was worrying over my own two choices with money already down. But I did get to see Zenyatta in the paddock, pictures here, and she was huge and beautiful with wonderful dapples on her dark bay coat.