Good for them making a stand. I find it completely disgusting that the mayor is so willing to shut down small businesses to repay political favors.
From The Horse:
http://www.thehorse.com/articles/35000/nyc-council-gets-horse-carriage-ban-ordinance?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
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From The Horse:
http://www.thehorse.com/articles/35000/nyc-council-gets-horse-carriage-ban-ordinance?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed[/QUOTE]
Last year, the nonprofit New Yorkers for Clean, Livable, and Safe Streets (NYCLASS) called for a citywide ban on horse-drawn carriages on grounds that the carriages were inhumane. Newly-elected mayor Bill DeBlasio then said he would back any legislation that would ban the operation of horse-drawn carriages in the city.
New Yorkers for Clean, Livable, and Safe Streets (NYCLASS)
More like:
New Yorkers for Carriage Restricted Animal Safe Streets (NYCRASS)
I still can’t believe the number of fellow horsemen I know who appear to have no opinion or no interest in this matter. I remember sitting in a college seminar class 10 years ago and discussing the animal rights movement’s impact on the horse industry, and how their next target was horse carriages. Well… now it’s happening. The fight is on. The fact that so many of my horse friends out here in “real life” don’t have an opinion on this and don’t recognize what could be coming next is downright terrifying to me.
GoneAway, that is because so many people think that it is always someone else, never them. It is sad.
It’s so, so sad. Do they really have a chance at this point? My understanding is that there are many powerful people who have many financial interests in seeming them go.
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I still can’t believe the number of fellow horsemen I know who appear to have no opinion or no interest in this matter. I remember sitting in a college seminar class 10 years ago and discussing the animal rights movement’s impact on the horse industry, and how their next target was horse carriages. Well… now it’s happening. The fight is on. The fact that so many of my horse friends out here in “real life” don’t have an opinion on this and don’t recognize what could be coming next is downright terrifying to me.[/QUOTE]
I hope the animal rights next target is show jumping. It would serve them right.
Animal rights. Ha. Animals don’t have rights. Animal welfare is what we should be concerned about. I think its ridiculous to get rid of carriages. They need to be regulated, like any industry, but not completely done away with.
The carriage horse industry is extremely well regulated now.
The whole point on ending carriage horses in NYC has nothing to do with animal welfare, except in the minds of some determinedly uninformed people, and everything to do with the real estate on which their stables stand.
Just a few of the aspects of the ban which the mayor, activists, and some others seem to have no problem with:
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“Horse Heroes” who would rather hold up a picture of a dead or injured horse than interact with a real one.
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They have no qualms about being cruel to the owners and drivers, or proposing to take away their horses.
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At what point in time did it become acceptable for a mayor or government to start telling people what their occupation was going to be?
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Understandably, the taxi drivers who are on a waiting list for green taxi permits, are mad about the proposal to give those jobs to the carriage drivers (who don’t want them). And why shouldn’t they be. Apparently it makes perfect sense that people would have no say in what they would work at.
In my opinion, there is not one of these things that should be acceptable to people who possess either common sense or the slightest amount of decency.
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It’s so, so sad. Do they really have a chance at this point? My understanding is that there are many powerful people who have many financial interests in seeming them go.[/QUOTE]
It’s not over til it’s over…per Yogi Berra.
Don’t give up the fight for lost…the carriage horse people have friends.
The main thing we could do is to get people educated that this is a land grab and political payback and to get the residents of NYC to contact their Council men/women and express support for the carriage drivers.
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I still can’t believe the number of fellow horsemen I know who appear to have no opinion or no interest in this matter. [/QUOTE]
I think a number of fellow horsemen DO have an opinion on carriage horses, but it doesn’t happen to jibe with the majority of people who post on this subject matter on COTH. If you do a search, people who don’t think horses belong in the middle of a major metropolitan city were promptly shot down, and not in a nice way, either.
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I think a number of fellow horsemen DO have an opinion on carriage horses, but it doesn’t happen to jibe with the majority of people who post on this subject matter on COTH. If you do a search, people who don’t think horses belong in the middle of a major metropolitan city were promptly shot down, and not in a nice way, either.[/QUOTE]
I have opinions on LTD, drugging, tying heads, racing byproducts, soring, and a plethora of other things but I would never call for the removal of an entire facet of our equine universe based on a few bad eggs or because someone does not keep their horses in the exact same situation I would keep mine in.
Any guesses as to who is next on their list? Because if and when they destroy the NY carriage industry, they will want to move on to what they perceive as their next chance at victory. Their venom coupled with complete lack of horse-related knowledge is staggering.
^^ there is only one acceptable opinion on the matter when it comes to COTH, and any dissenters in the conversation will be made very unwelcome.
So at this point, these threads are just an echo chamber. There any many with opinions, but they wisely choose not to participate in the discussion any longer.
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I have opinions on LTD, drugging, tying heads, racing byproducts, soring, and a plethora of other things but I would never call for the removal of an entire facet of our equine universe based on a few bad eggs or because someone does not keep their horses in the exact same situation I would keep mine in.[/QUOTE]
Yes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tJwpsWTcuw
GUY McLEAN Champion Horseman on the “Wonderful Central Park Carriage Horses” 9/21/14
hope this works …
BaroquePony, Your link does not work the way I think you want it to. Right now it takes me to a snippet about the guy who did not get eaten alive by the snake.
be right back …
