A developer just bought the property next door

Actually, you have no idea whether I am that person or not. But thanks for playing.

Just because you(g) don’t like what is happening next door doesn’t mean your property is “ruined”. It is possible the required infrastructure for the apartments will actually add value to the neighboring property. For example, a better road out front that includes a turn lane, curb and gutter, and a sidewalk. Wow.

It is so very important to do due diligence in the initial purchasing process. Legal uses of property are legal uses, whether the neighbors like it or not. The OP has a legal right for her property to be a horse farm. Now the developer has a legal right for that property to be re-zoned and developed as approved and legally allowed. The closer to “town” one is, the better the chances that property can be bought up and developed into a high-density use.

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:confused: That is now how I read Ryansgirl’s post.
They are just saying that a developer buying does not mean next week they will start building things. It can be a long process that involves lots of rules.
Just some facts to toss into the discussion.

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very true as most “developers” need money and lots of money so they formulate a"project" then seek investors . Rarely does a developer use their own money to build a project then retain ownership of the project expecting to live off the cash flow. Usually it is find a suitable project, sell shares to investors, build project, sell project to another investment group then on to the next project

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What you wrote that I bolded sounded snarky and dismissive.

"[B][I]Yes… it is so tragic and disgusting when someone with a legal right to buy and re-zone and develop land actually does so. It is so tragic and disgusting to put money into a tax base, provide jobs and housing, and infrastructure.

I also suggest a move, but make sure there are no neighbors around at all with small kids or mean kids. Or nosy adults. Or neighbors that hate horses.

Yes… progress is so tragic when it steps on our very special toes."[/I][/B]

If what you meant was that the development might offer improvements to the resident you could have said that.
You could have said what you did above that I have highlighted in green, rather than refer to her as ‘special’, etc

Instead you seemed to be making fun of the OP for her concerns and her interest in preserving her community the way it presently is used.

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I was asking a question. She shares how arduous the process is, and makes it seem like she might se it as overkill, or not… so I asked.

I would suggest that keeping these processes full of hoops to jump through means job security.

Very thorny wild rose bushes make a great barrier!! Privacy screen and major invasion deterent!!

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Well now I can’t relax. I live in fear of this happening to me.

I’m responsible for what I say, not how you interpret it.

I said what I meant and I stand by it.

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I haven’t read all five pages but based on some of what I’ve read I can gather where this has headed.

My father is a residential developer. I cannot tell you how many times in my growing up that I overheard he and my mom discussing the uphill battle he faced to build in my state. One project brought with it death threats against he and his business partner from environmental protection groups. Zoning regulations - depending on where you live - can be arduous, extremely costly and oftentimes completely subjective: the guy down the street gets a permit but you don’t for no other reason other than they liked his tie color better sort of thing. Permitting processes are multi-phase and often take months or even years before you can break ground. The cost of the land is usually the least expensive part. And honestly, my experience from seeing what has happened with my father’s business is that what they are given permits to build is often not up to them - it’s determined by the state or township.

Developers are not bad people, but they earn a bad rap and are often unfairly demonized. OP, I would absolutely make note of your concerns and voice them appropriately in the correct public forum: as others have mentioned, as someone with property adjoining this parcel you should be notified of the plans for it. But I also would go into this in the spirit of compromise - it’s completely reasonable for you to want to preserve your property in its present state of use, but it’s also within the developer’s right to earn a living and utilize the land as they see fit so long as it’s done so lawfully and with respect to the limitations of the land.

I much prefer living away from suburbia, so I get it, but I’ve also seen the other side and it’s incredible the downright nastiness my dad has encountered before anyone even offers a handshake and a “Hi, my name is…” Be kind in your initial approach - you might be surprised at how much they are willing to work with you.

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The real issue here isn’t the developer per say, it’s the fact that an apartment complex will be your next door neighbor, you won’t have one neighbor you’ll have many neighbors just next door. You’ll have security parking lot lights all night, a lot of traffic, noise from many kids (possibly) playing outside at a play ground, if it’s two story buildings you lose a lot of privacy, and I’m in the camp that this will make the OPs property much harder to resell as a horse farm or sell at all, unless another developer wants it. In all honesty - how many here that own horse properties would want an apartment complex next door? With all the horror stories of having one bad neighbor think what an apartment complex full of hundreds of neighbors might be like. Not to mention how many of those apartment renters are going to be attracted to the horses next door, wanting to pet and feed them, or the kids sneaking into the pastures etc. it’s not one family the OP will have to deal with it will be many.

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Just a note to explain why the encroachment of development forces horsemen to leave the area…

First farm experiences:

The new residents will take “short cuts” by walking through your land. Doing this can damage your fences, which you are relying on to contain your horses. There is also danger to these trespassers, who are often not horse people, as your horses rush over to say “Hi” to them. We had TB yearling colts in the field. Very friendly, and well handled, but always looking for a game, and not suitable as petting zoo animals for city people. Even though these trespassers are uninvited, YOU get held responsible if they get hurt on your property.

We had pot plants cultivated on our pasture land, by new residents. Almost legal now of course, but not appreciated at the time.

New residents think that the farm next door is a petting zoo, and bring their children to visit the horses. Which is fine if they ask first, and are supervised, but this is not always the case. They drop by when it is a suitable time for them, and bring treats for the horses. They don’t understand that there might be a problem with this scenario.

New residents dumped lawn clippings over our fences, into our pasture where horses were living. They liked having the horses come by to eat these lawn clippings. We didn’t appreciate this, but asking people not to do this was not understood. We were the bad guys.

New residents had teenagers, who were looking for places to “party” during evening hours. Our barn was the place they selected. The used condoms and other “Party ware” were not our concern, but the cigarette butts in our hay storage area were. The barn could not be adequately secured. It had been built long before “development” occurred, too close to the property line. Close and lock the gates? They just climb over.

The joke was… when it became apparent that we were leaving, some of the new residents were disappointed. Their real estate agent had told them that “the farm next door is guaranteed to be there for at least the next five years.” That was integral in their decision to buy their new houses.

Second farm experiences:

As population in the area increases, gang violence and activity also escalates. With a property larger than a subdivision lot, you can not monitor or protect your land and your horses adequately from threats. We had a grow op next door, with protection dogs that came over to our farm, and did threaten to attack us, and our livestock. Nothing quite like having some 150 lb pit bull X mastiff dogs salivating over your new born foals, looking to break through their inadequate containment. Stolen vehicles abandoned next to our barn. Burglaries, we avoided with simple good luck, but are often a problem too.

Eventually, you evacuate, taking your horses and your family with you, and find someplace better. You can’t fight it, and it is not the “developer’s fault”. It is the way of the world.

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With a property larger than a subdivision lot, you can not monitor or protect your land and your horses adequately from threats.

being well know in our area for having huge German Shepherd Dogs that have free roam of the place kind of eliminated all of that, just required ordering pizza a couple of times for the delivery dudes to tell every one

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I have a “Beware of Dog” sign on my driveway, and the last time I needed the local utility company to send someone out, they guy wouldn’t leave the car until I told him it was OK. :lol: The dog in question is deceased, but I now have one who would eat anyone trying to get into the house.

However, In spite of the “No Trespassing” signs, and the dog one, I have had idjits pull in, and ask about obtaining manure…

I’ve lived in subdivisions with new builds going in for over seven years. In the previous subdivision, it was formerly farm land, and then gradually built up.

While the sections behind my house were empty, but had piles of dirt, or other materials, the elementary school age kids from up the street were allowed by their parents to drive ATV’s at all hours on the regular road (a local sheriff’s deputy stopped that before any of the kids died). The kids also had a lot of friends, who were riding with them, and I bet their parents didn’t have a clue about that.

However, the same kids rode small motorcycles, and ATV’s on the dirt piles on private property (it’s private property until the roads go in, and are public road), at all hours. It was a great relief when they moved, because the parents let them run wild.

Something like a berm next to your farm won’t stop anyone from using it as a big, dangerous play toy.

With luck you have 25 years to enjoy what you have. :slight_smile: Hopefully.

^^^ This.

Not at the poster quoted, but generally speaking … I can show people places west of the Mississippi where suburban sprawl is not coming in your lifetime. PLENTY of open space. I don’t know if you want to live there, though. Not much real pasture, because green grass makes people want to consider living there. It’s 20 minutes to the nearest gas station that has a mini-grocery for bread and chips. Actual fresh fruit is further out … in fact, gardening starts looking like less time than fetching groceries. Especially since the stores in reasonable driving distance don’t have much product selection. It’s 45 miles (at least) to the mall or the movie theaters. Oh, and, you need a closet of supplies for when the weather makes it impossible to go anywhere. :slight_smile:

For those that live in more attractive places and watching development come your way, with luck your rising property values make it possible to keep going up on your space and amenities each time you flee civilization. That’s the way we hope it works. And with luck you get to enjoy some very good years between evacuations. :slight_smile:

As far as guard dogs go, I’m too anxious to let mine out, alone.

I only let my sweet Pitbull out when Im out. He is a sweetie, but with a really big bark. And he is a Pitbull. If I’m in the barn or outside working, so is he, and the Demon cat of course. I fear for HIS life if the wrong person drives up and he runs to the car, barking his fool head off. I have no doubt someone could shoot him while on my property, citing fear for their life. Right or wrong, he would still be gone or injured. My Policeman SIL nearly shot the neighbor’s Pit when he came in our yard and threatened him, he would have been in the right, then.

I just don’t know the right answer to 'having a solid rep for ‘bad dog - stay away’, and keeping everyone involved safe enough. I have heard that Bad Dog signs raise your liability - you knew he was ‘Bad’, why is he loose?

I long for the old days. Everyone knew, in the country, you stay in your car, holler “hello the house” and wait for permission to disembark. No one got bit, no dogs got shot doing their rightful duty.

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Reminds me of the old days! Had relatives living in the way-back country. You did not go out there after dark without calling first, and getting the high sign that they were at home and to come on out. If they didn’t expect a visitor, they came to the door with a shotgun.

And their dogs swarmed the car - big dogs, mostly hound, some cowdogs. One time I had dogs on the hood and climbing the sides of the car - after dark of course. My cousin and I deemed it wisest to stay in the care until Cousin V called his dogs off. We mentioned that, and he grinned and said “That’s what I pay 'em to do.” :slight_smile:

It was really better to only go in daylight. :slight_smile:

Dogs swarming the car reminds me of my baba and gido’s farm house. I’ve grown up with these guard hounds and to this day, there is something SO comforting about pulling up at a farm and being greeted by multiple dogs. I went to look at a an acreage outside the city and when I pulled up, the neighbor’s three border collies met me at my truck. I was immediately charmed and immediately wanted the house. I can definitely see how it would be a deterrent for some visitors, but for someone like me who grew up with dogs like this, it just makes me smile. If the dog looks unfriendly, I’ll stay in my vehicle until the house owner calls their dogs off, but most times… I just see dog grins and wagging tails.

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To give more details- property is currently in the county and will have to be annexed into the town prior to rezoning. The developer is proposing 37 single family homes on 10 acres. Homes are less than 200k which is about 100k less than any of the nearby neighborhoods and way below adjacent farm properties. Developer is a quick buck kind of fellow and has offered very little in terms of buffer. Refuses to provide buffer of property except for about 50’ amd even then won’t give details. Town aldermen are acting supportive but their voting record shows that they don’t support anything other than devlopements. The neighbors have voiced lots of concerns of what the developer will do to the private road that we all live on and that he plans to access the property by. Great tips and ideas here though. You all are so helpful!!! As usual!