I am REALLY trying to ride better and stay out of my mares mouth and use my seat and all of those good things, BUT she is very forward and I need more brakes.
I have a jointed Kimberwick do you think it is too much bit? I am no expert on bits, I have always just ridden in some sort of a snaffle, but my new mare, as much as I love her, is a handful at time.
My coach suggested something stronger, says I am trying to do the right thing, but she just gets strong.
ADVISE please.
Have you tried a waterford? Or a waterford 3ring gag?
What bit is she currently going in? Does she lean? Grab the bit and lock her jaw? Get above the bridle?
It is a double jointed snaffle, egg butt, or maybe D ring. How crazy is that, that I can’t even remember exactly.
And she leans, like crazy, she can just curl and lean. And I do half halts, I try to push her into the bit. I have never had heavy hands. She came like this when I got her, and there are tons of good things about her, but man, she can just bear down and curl and I have to be so rude with my half halts to bring her back, I just hate it… UGH
I’d start by figuring out what she actually is being ridden in and then figuring out what the problem is that needs addressing (again, is she above the bridle, leaning on you, locking her jaw, rooting you out of the tack, just taking a hold, etc) and then go from there because what I would use in each situation is very different. Does she go in a plain noseband or a figure 8?
Personally, the kimberwick is not my favorite choice and probably not the first thing I’d go to for any issue, but I’m hesitant to suggest anything when I don’t have more information about how she is strong.
she is leaning on me and curling sometimes. She is in a plain noseband and flash.
It’s this bit, or one exactly like it… I don’t remember it being so inexpensive though.
I am not sure how else to explain it. She is just really strong when she wants to be, and I know that she knows the difference, she’s not afraid or unbalanced, she just has a motor. She safe and happy and too quick, and blows off my half halts if she feels like it. Especially over fences. In dressage she is better and more steady. She can be quick too, but she is more visually limited I guess, by walls or boards. But XC or even stadium sometimes, look out, she’s flying!
For what it’s worth, I switched my mare to a Wonder bit (“Beval” bit) french link from her KK loose ring french link. Love it.
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For what it’s worth, I switched my mare to a Wonder bit (“Beval” bit) french link from her KK loose ring french link. Love it.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, can you tell me how it is different than what I am using? Is it like this?
I am looking into the Waterford, it sounds like it has worked well for some. I just want to make the right decision. I know I may have to try a few to get the right one unfortunately.
A friend of mine swears by a loose ring waterford. Another friend prefers a three ring french link.
I saw a few Myler combination bits at a recent XC clinic, but the majority were in waterfords with varying cheeks.
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A friend of mine swears by a loose ring waterford. Another friend prefers a three ring french link.
I saw a few Myler combination bits at a recent XC clinic, but the majority were in waterfords with varying cheeks.[/QUOTE]
Thank you! I shall take a look
A jointed Kimberwick, IMO, is a very severe bit. You have the nutcracker action of the joint, plus the curb effect. If you think your horse needs a stable bit, you might try a baucher.
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A friend of mine swears by a loose ring waterford. Another friend prefers a three ring french link.
I saw a few Myler combination bits at a recent XC clinic, but the majority were in waterfords with varying cheeks.[/QUOTE]
I love Waterfords for the curlers and pullers.
I just put my Haflinger in a regular Kimblewicke for hacking out and it did wonders. She can get strong in a group. Normally she goes in a Myler loose ring snaffle but starting running through it.
http://www.doversaddlery.com/uxeter-kimberwicke-bit/p/X1-01108/
Please don’t use a jointed one, that’s not the way this leverage bit was intended to be.
Good Luck!
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I just put my Haflinger in a regular Kimblewicke for hacking out and it did wonders. She can get strong in a group. Normally she goes in a Myler loose ring snaffle but starting running through it.
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:eek: !! :lol:
I have my cob in a Myler MB33 mouth, D ring with hooks for jumping. He needs the help with steering, and the independent sides are a godsend when he locks that gelded-too-late neck of his! We needed something with a tad more oomph than his JP D ring with copper lozenge, but not so strong that he’d suck his short neck back more than it naturally is (we joke that he’s half turtle - if he’s being sticky, his neck all but disappears, AND he has a TON of wrinkles on his front end, hehe) and the D with hooks was just right.
Yes, the link to BOB is the same one I have. The wonder bit provides a bit of leverage. My mare was a bit strong in her Sprenger, and the same mouthpiece with a little leverage has really given me more control without being as drastic with my half halts. The same mare goes in a rubber Mullen mouth dee ring for dressage.
[QUOTE=Cruiser12;7717296]
she is leaning on me and curling sometimes. [/QUOTE]
My understanding is that, if she is curling, you do NOT want anything wih curb chain.
Other than that, you can experiment
What does your coach suggest?
My horse is pretty enthusiastic XC/ jumping, and tends to evade by pulling but had even started to curl a bit in the hackmore I was using. I am not a fan of “gadgets” but I have to say the Myler combination has been an absolute game-changer. We have the 04 mouthpiece wrapped with sealtex, rawhide noseband wrapped in vetwrap, reins on the near drop ring. Despite that, I can have very light hands with it. And even if I have to get after him a little, I don’t get an argument or a meltdown. They are expensive, though, so I would borrow or rent one first.
[QUOTE=Janet;7717992]
My understanding is that, if she is curling, you do NOT want anything wih curb chain.
Other than that, you can experiment
What does your coach suggest?[/QUOTE] Thank you, my coach suggested a boucher, or perhaps a Kimberwick.
