About this QH boy

If only I was allowed to download random free things. But I am not.

Thank you for the sharing the image!

Here’s the link:

https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/23+cartel

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Neither one need the other for absorption, they’re different pathways. I’m not sure where this idea has come from, but it’s a common misconception. They DO do similar jobs, and each can take up the slack left by a deficiency of the other, to a point, but that’s it.

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Agreed, at this time I am not sure but considering how willing he is it does seem to be tired.

good point, I am considering this, but also wanted to rule out potential physical issues (other than general unfitness) :slight_smile:

I am currently using Omniety from Mad Barn, it seems to have adequate selenium and vit E.
It seems to me on a different thread you weren’t enthused about Omniety?

Omniety is perfectly great for many situations :slight_smile: I do have a bit of an issue with people who have untested grass forage choosing Amino Trace, because AT has an inverted Ca:P ratio, which is the opposite of what many grass forages need. Omniety is much more appropriately fortified in that area for typical grass forages.

Omniety has 2.4mg Se which is typical of a full serving of most fortified feeds.

It has 1020IU Vit E which is fine, but I’d feed another 1000IU for an average horse. I can’t tell which form MB uses, but if it’s a 50/50 mix, which is common, then that 1020 is more like 683 if it were fully natural

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Thank you.

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I have seen data presented at scientific meetings that confirms your wonder. We are actually impairing athletic performance in some horses with our “starch is evil” obsession.

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@Montanas_Girl, I can see controlled starch, particularly in breeds known for metabolic issues, but have thought for quite a while that low starch may not provide the fuel a horse in heavy work actually needs.

I doubt any horse would ever need some of the feeds of old, that had NSC amounts upwards for 40%, but I believe those feeds are getting harder to find.

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Agreed! Even the most old school “sweet feed” my company sells only runs about 35% NSC. I think Omolene is slightly higher than that but under 40 for all the various formulas, last I checked. A big reason is that the flour companies have gotten so efficient at removing starch from wheat that the midds we get are lower starch than ever. Which causes me headaches when it comes to trying to get pellets to stick together


Unless a horse has a metabolic disorder, my preference for a non-ration balancer type concentrate feed is an NSC in the low/mid 20s. Enough fuel to get the job done and replenish muscle glycogen stores post exercise, in most cases.

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This chart is dated 2022, and Omolene 100-300 are at or a bit over 40%

Yes, that chart is still accurate. So just barely at or over 40% for 100-300, 21% for 400, and 35% for 500.

Pardon me for not having the entire chart memorized.

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Just sharing for everyone (since most have no idea how high the NSCs for some of those feeds are), and since you weren’t sure. No offense intended.

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There is a possibility he is a bit bored with what you are doing with him and he may need more exercise and conditioning to build wind. For those used to dealing with more high energy breeds QHs can seem too quiet. It is a different experience with a horse bred as a sensible work partner, they got energy, just don’t want to use it unless asked.

Do get the blood panel, it is a good place to start a health history on him.

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He’s 2 though. More exercise isn’t what he needs right now.

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