Adults Riding Small Ponies

prudence- VGIH = vet gate into hold.
Our system is different we have your standard pre-ride vet check, then on a 25 we have a post ride and on a 50 we have one in the middle as well, for 75 and 100( does that equal 100km’s?) we have 1 vet check per every 25 miles. Each vet check has a mandatory half hour time for strapping e.t.c, then the horse has to be presented, then after vetting through you have a mandatory half hour before you can go out again -so all up an hour for each vet check. I think this is different because for the VGIH you guys can present your horse for vetting whenever it’s pulse drops to below 55 or60, then I think you can go out straightaway?. Also our mandatory vetting period ( the whole hour) is not included in our riding time, whereas I think for you guys it is.

Also I know how you feel, I’m almost 6ft and find it damn hard to get an Arab that I feel comfortable on. Here, almost 95% of the horses in endurance are Arabs or high percentage partbreds - it’s really not the done thing to ride something else!

(sorry about the hijacking of this thread)

I know that mental picture was gross!!

Huntertwo – There was a whole series of photos on WebShots of this Shetland Pony troop. I think they’re somewhere up northern Europe. I happened to be cuising the Net for photos of the Parade of Horses (Christmas rider and carriage parade in Charles Town WV) and came across this site by accident. I about fell off my chair in hysterics at the photos of these large riders doing drills on these itty bitty ponies. Kinda reminds me of the Shriners on their little motorscooters…

That brings up another question. What about donkeys? I mean look at this poor guy…check this link out!

http://www.blueridgetexas.com/EVERYTHING/donkeyball.6.jpg

Great post, arten. Physics will tell us that the shorter the span between two supports, the more weight that span will bear. When distance is a factor, the span needs to be arched upwards (think of bridges, and ceilings of cathedrals), distributing the weight so that it “pushes” out and downward onto the support. Usually the greater the distance of the span, the heavier the width of the support.

So… the denser leg bone of the Arab and the genetically shorter span between the base of support (front and hind legs) argues that this is the reason Arab horses so easily can carry higher weight vs. their size as (read this as a caveat, please) a general rule. Denser leg bones are the hallmark of the draft horses, but lightness and endurance for distances are (for the most part) not – which is why you will rarely see a draft doing endurance except for the draft ponies (who are few in number, but still out there doing endurance (50 miles +) successfully.

And yes, I’ve seen far, far, FAR too many horses come back from an endurance ride with sore backs. That’s the reason the vets will probe the saddle area and loins at the vet checks – “tack off” is often called for at certain checks, principally for the vets to check the horse’s back and sides for tack issues. The horse has to exhibit obvious back pain since the vets only lightly test.

And I agree with arten – a lot of common market saddles aren’t designed for the Arab’s shorter back, something that endurance saddle mfr have understood and designed into their products. If you want your saddle to fit your Arab, you might be best to look at those designed for an Arab. Be careful of those with the flat supports pushing back towards the loins – while theory says to broaden the base of support to disperse weight on a greater portion of the horse’s back, these supports often come too close to the loins on a short-backed horse for the animal’s comfort.

However, back issues are not always the tack – sometimes the harshness of the terrain (sand, rock, hard climbs) will cause aches and soreness. Saddle issues will usually manifest themselves as soreness over the small of the back from withers to loins; terrain/conditioning/fatigue issues show up in the loins, sacrum, and a change in gait movement.

All rather interesting.

I can’t comment on the length of stride as a point in this – I’ve seen so many different stridings on horses that have succeeded or failed that … I can’t make a determination one way or another if it matters to the ability to carry weight. Also, from my understanding, the spring of the rib cage is generally looked upon as room for the lungs to expand, not for weight distribution or the length of stride. I’ve see a host of slab-sided Arabs do just as well as the well-sprung Arabs. Slab-sided horses/ponies (like donkeys) get a hard knock because, lacking a wide barrel, the rider’s legs tend to hang down straight from the rider’s pelvis which some riders find very uncomfortable and annoying. That’s all. Just personal preference.

Well I know this is a touchy subject, but you weigh a bit over 37% of your horse’s weight.

Generally as Jingo-ace says one would apply the 25% rule (or 20% which is what we in the UK were always taught) - a normal equine being able to carry up to 20% (or 25% if very stocky) of it’s own weight. Maximum.

Then you’d want to consider your horse’s length of back, which, on an 11.2 pony is going to mean a lot of your weight is on his kidneys and loins if you have a saddle that fits you - weaker areas.

My horse weighs 1100 and staggers if a 175# rider gets on (almost 16% of his weight), so really you have to take each case individually. But even so, I would never go as far as 25% personally, certainly never over it.

We have to be advocates for our horse’s long and short term health and welfare, and feeling sensitive about one’s weight (which you may or may not) should come a distant second to that.

patchworkpony, what did the Brits you talked to say about this? I read recently (can’t remember where now, of course!) that the original Shetland pony was ridden by adults back in the day.

My first reaction to your question was that you riding a pony of that size would be no problem, but gothedistance and Avra made interesting points that I never thought off. I had a 13hh mare that I dragged home from a local auction several years ago and ended up selling, largely because I was worried about riding her. I’m 5’6, and was a little overweight at the time, pushing 160lbs, and while I felt perfectly fine about racking around on her on the flat or down the road, there was some tricky terrain on the trail that had me thinking that negotiating that plus my chunky butt and saddle might be a little too hard on her. Many people (esp. Paso people) told me that wouldn’t be an issue, but it just didn’t feel right.

Does anyone else smell a troll?

Funny you should mention that…

I’ve had a number of vets tell me the reason Arabs can carry weight better is because they have one less rib for a shorter (stronger) back. And to see some of these big guys, feet dangling, riding 100 miles on these small endurance horses is really awesome.

nonono - the pony is 940lbs - i am touching 350lbs… a bit burlesque, but she’s very sturdy!

i think it all has to do with the stockyness of the pony and the weight distribution of the rider. a rider with good balance will be easier to carry than a rider who sits like a lump. and a stocky well -built pony will find it easier to carry an adult than a lean looking pony. plus a heavy saddle would not make anything easy. but i think if all the other thinngs are right, then have fun!

Do you have a picture of you riding, qwerty1989?

Please read every posting on this discussion board and see why we cannot allow ourselves to ride our small horses not equipped to carry our heavy weights. Answers are right there. I have no problem envisioning how much my horses would need to carry if I imagine how much weight I’d need to carry when I work. For example, I’d have no problem carrying 19 pounds or less. But, I will begin to have problems with my feet, knee, lower back, spine, etc once I start carrying more than 20 pounds. Please go back and read from the beginning on down. Listen to your horse - he talks A L O T!

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by patchworkpony:
…I thought it was weird that my vet seemed to be okay with it. Why do you think he would have been so okay with it? Seems weird. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Naw, not weird. Just self-preserving. I’ve noticed nowadays that – when it comes to benign, non-medical, purely subjective things like your situation – vets will often just wave you onwards, figuring you’re gonna do what you want to do regardless. Rather than him committing to an opinion that you may not favor, your vet probably figured you’d hop on your little pony once, take a turn around the ring, and say to yourself “forget this – she’s to darn small for me!” So…if he says “sure”, and you end up not riding her because it takes only once for yourself to learn yourself you’re not comfortable riding such a tiny pony, your vet has put himself in a win/win scenario. Do you get my drift?

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by gothedistance:
OMG! Check out these pictures of a Shetland Pony troop ridden by… you guessed it!! Talk about feet scrapping the pavement!! I’m still rolling on the floor, laughing my you-know-what off.

patchworkpony - I have just eaten my words in all subsequent posts. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

GTD, I love that picture and the ponies don’t look unhappy at all. How did that picture come to be?

While you could probably ride a very chunky 10 hand pony lightly without hurting it, it would not be very comfortable. I am 5’4 (and much heavier than you) and I broke and showed ponies all through college. The smallest one I rode was about 13 hands, and I felt really, really big on him. Not so much that I was going to squish him–but my feet hit his knees. I felt like I was riding a hay bale–plenty wide, but nothing in front of me or behind me.

Unless it is a very naughty little pony, or you’re playing ponyclub games, I can’t imagine you’d want to ride it much anyway.

I know this isn’t really the appropriate post, but I was interested in your comment (gothedistance) that you only sometimes have to untack at vet checks. I wondered why all the photos I saw of U.S riders at basecamp where under saddle!. We have to untack at every vet check!. I guess that is the difference between the VGIH system and our system. Do you get marked on back, wither, leg soundness at each check?

I remember seeing an article once that indicated the rule of thumb was that your weight should not exceed one fifth that of the horse/pony to stay safe and not harm the horse.
hmmmmmmm…that’s why I started riding draft crosses! And I don’t know if that INCLUDES the saddle. But it seems about right from my experience. I am a believer however that HOW the horse/pony is ridden is extremely important. Some saddles better than others for a heavier rider to horse ratio. Some riding styles, jumping or not, flat terrain or not, and the skills of the rider. Have seen some simply elegant and light appearing fat riders too. And some scary, clumsy skinny riders.
Me? I’ve been both!!

Today, there still exists a large group of ponies being ridden daily with much harsher demands on their performance than any we in this culture would typically ask. They are the Mongolian ponies, the Kirgiz.

Here is a link to some information on them
http://horsecare.stablemade.com/_articles/kirgiz.htm

They are amazing animals, and since they are all small, it is not considered an oddity for an adult rider to ride them for miles over difficult terrain.

The Kirgiz have been bred for generations for their strength and hardiness. I would have no qualms at all riding one for long distances. (I’m 5’7 and 140 pounds). I would be considered an average sized rider in that culture.

The question really doesn’t seem to be whether “A pony” can be ridden by an adult, but whether a specific pony can be ridden. I would suspect many of our domestic ponies simply would not have the physiology and stamina to do well without risking structural damage to their backs, legs and hoofs. Many are are no longer bred for strength and stamina, but for color, size and “cuteness”.

amdri
Curly Horses are Contagious
(there are also Curly Horse ponies out there!)
http://www.prairiegem.com

Hi, i’m new here!
To the original poster, I definetly do not think you are too heavy. I have a 11.2HH Dartmoor Pony called Trish - and she carries me fine for about 30mins at a time.
I am not exactly skinny - i’m 5’6 and touching 340lbs… so no, you’re fine. Good luck with your riding!