^^^ yes…
A motorcycle helmet would look terribly ugly…
Well, unless I could get one in my colors. :lol:
I’m sure it will break with enough pressure.
Care to wager your life on it? Not I. When the design is fail safe, I will buy one.
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A fair question, and the main reason why I would never voluntarily put myself in a position where a parachute is likely to be needed. :)[/QUOTE]
I think I’ve posted this before. Gotta love their sense of humor.
Seriously all, I’ve never heard of the lanyard not detaching, other than second/third hand references here.
I’ve never been to the moon. I believe the astronauts. If some knucklehead were saying it’s happened I’d be skeptical, but the people who are in the know are people I trust. I have no reason to not believe them, and no particular reason to put my trust in P2 at all. Haven’t examined the lanyards of each product under a microscope. I’m waiting for some engineers and experts to show me the evidence that it is as close to fail safe as is humanly possible. And fortunately not holding my breath. :lol:
What about HitAir? 
DW, I have much respect for many on this forum. But I’ve just not seen the data, e.g., who what when where did the lanyard fail to detach and what were the consequences. RAyers, I have much respect for your knowledge and expertise. Please don’t get me wrong.
I am always one to question authority and everything else. I question the vests often but I also question any strong opinion or united front. I think many eventers are that way… it’s our nature to be tough and inquisitive. I think many of us are rebels by nature and that’s probably one of many reasons we are not dressage queens/kings or hunter princesses/princes.:lol:
There are engineers and well-educated people who think the vests are worth using. There are other opinions out there. I’ve heard them.
What about HitAir?:sigh:
we just go round and round and round and round on this forum re: air vests. I feel like all of us repeat ourselves over and over. And if you don’t agree with the general consensus, then you’re being simple or slow or whatever. Oh! Or melodramatic! :eek:
I’m sorry, I know you have a HitAir and are personally convinced it’s the right choice for you. I respect and understand that completely. I’m not telling you or anyone else to not wear an air vest! That’s not my role or really any of my business. If you’re asking me to endorse your decision, I can only say–it’s your decision. 
I’m only sharing MY OWN conclusions, my reservations, and my concerns that keep ME from wearing an air vest. They are obviously different than those of other people. That’s fine. When my concerns are sufficiently addressed, I will probably buy and wear one. It would probably be a non-Point Two since I do believe in voting with my checkbook and not supporting slimy companies, and they are on my “fairly slimy” list. THAT’S ME. It’s a free country.
The burden of proof is on the PRODUCT MANUFACTURER, not on me or anyone else. If and when my concerns are addressed satisfactorily, I will be satsified. I don’t necessarily need another COTHer to tell me what to do, but I do take into account the better knowledge of people like Reed and Lola and I do note the incidents that have occurred even though I did not witness them firsthand. “I have to see it to believe it” applies to DATA in my case, not actual accidents.
Yes, perhaps eventers are rebels by nature. I am certainly a contrarian. But I am also a scientist. That’s how I like to make up my mind–by seeing evidence and drawing conclusions. My scientific opinion is that air vests are promising but imperfect. They are fairly new. I wish to wait until we have a better product and more evidence. Why is that so surprising?
By the time some of the questions I have are ironed out, perhaps there will be some new and better products out there. That is my sincere hope. But I remain unconvinced they’re worth wearing and do not desire to be anybody’s guinea pig in the meantime. shrug
^^ *LIKE None of this is surprising at all. I do want to see data from accidents though.:sadsmile: They are fairly new and seem to be “certified” in ways that aren’t satisfactory to many of us. And so much of the data are from motorcyles in Japan. :winkgrin:
I agree about P2. Slimy ads. Just looked at some of them last night, after a long time period of NOT looking at the ads. I just haven’t heard or seen the same about HitAir so that’s why I keep asking…
FWIW, if the majority was coming on here going on and on about how wonderful P2 is, I would most certainly be questioning that… perhaps more vehemently than I have questioned those who argue that they are not worth wearing, are causing more serious accidents, yadayada.
That was a great article.
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Care to wager your life on it? Not I. When the design is fail safe, I will buy one.[/QUOTE]
Fail safe? Well, I’m betting you’ve never bought a horse. :lol:
Fail safe does not mean “never can fail”. It means “if it should fail it does not default to becoming unsafe”.
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I think I’ve posted this before. Gotta love their sense of humor.
http://www.bmj.com/content/327/7429/1459[/QUOTE]
LOL! Never had so much fun reading BMJ!
That was hilarious, riderboy. Since I am one of the biggest pedantic PITAs over evidence-evidence-evidence, it scored a direct hit. :lol:
This is one I reference in my research.
Accuracy of comparing bone quality to chocolate bars for patient information purposes: observational study
