The reason I am posting this, is so no one else will suffer like I am suffering right now. Always get agreements in writing. NEVER do verbal I don’t care who it is.
Don’t get took like I did.
Do you have the mare’s papers or anything? Can you take this person to small claims court?
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Since OP says she regrets not just free leasing the horse, I’m assuming horse was sold/given away by OP. And then sold/given away by that person. To which there is nothing the OP can do…that’s the reality of selling anything, even a horse.
From a blog big on heartfelt emotion, but very sketchy on any real details, who knows what the arrangement was and if there is any legal recourse.
The point though is a great one, ALWAYS have an agreement in writing, who ever you are dealing with.
From the blog post, it’s impossible to tell whatever the OP even thinks happened. It’s really… just plain hard to understand/rambly/incoherent/missing necessary details to piece even the shell of the story together.
But if you care about a contractual term being enforced-- putting it in writing isn’t a bad idea and even involving attorney review isn’t either.
It’s probably more likely to be effective than begging god to come smite the baddies on a blog?! Bizarre…
The internet is forever, and this kind of helps piece things together a bit…
http://ewarmbloods1.yuku.com/topic/2528/How-long-normally-does-it-take-to-sell-a-hanoverian-mare
OP, you sold her with a first right of refusal, according to that post. You thought about free leasing and then decided against it. YOU didn’t want the risk. So you decided to sell her.
Did the person you sell her to offer to sell her to you before selling her to someone else? That’s usually all a FROR requires. It does not obligate the buyer to hold on to the horse for a very specific timeframe and then give the horse back to you. That’s a term lease, not a sale.
I wonder if there was a fair amount of misunderstanding between you and the person who bought the horse?! Have you spoken to her? Spoken to the new owner?
From other posts it sounds like the financial condition got really serious (could not afford medical care/veterinary care, were contemplating bankruptcy fraud, etc.). Maybe it was a blessing that someone bought the horse?! Even if she’s not yours anymore and you wish she was?! 
And you prefer a holistic vet/no vaccinations to however the new owner manages her. At least in the interim she was fed, boarded, taken care of and off your bankroll when things were so dire for you. You couldn’t call the vet for your lame pony-- but she was at least with someone who could do that for her if she got sick/hurt/lame.
I am glad things are better for you now. I wouldn’t want to lose my horses either. But if finances got so bad I couldn’t care for them, I would give them away and be gratified that they ended up with someone would could take care of them. Even if that person’s exact horse care standards varied from mine.
I feel like stepping back and trying to be a bit more objective/accept that you had to make a decision that was a rock and a hard place is more productive than dwelling in being upset/second guessing the decision you made this many years later. As best as you know, she’s happy now-- right? So many times the story doesn’t end with a horse in a decent home. They may not use holistic vets but it could be so much worse.
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OK- First, welcome to COTH OP and I’m sorry that you are obviously feeling something very difficult.
Secondly, I have absolutely no idea what is actually going on, or what the point of posting on here is? Are you trying to get help to get the horse back? Are you trying to vent? Are you trying to offer advice (get stuff in writting) on soemthing that is cryptic at best? I really have no good idea about what is going on.
We typicallly like details here, and the feedback is much better when its provided :yes:
and we like boxed wine…which may have potential here???
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Boxed wine always has potential…
" I could not raise enough money in time to get her back through go fund me. "
A marginal way to pay for it…sounds like OP loves horse but not in a position to handle the care/ownership…hope horse ends up in good hands and OP can get over this in time.
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From the blog post, it’s impossible to tell whatever the OP even thinks happened. It’s really… just plain hard to understand/rambly/incoherent/missing necessary details to piece even the shell of the story together.
But if you care about a contractual term being enforced-- putting it in writing isn’t a bad idea and even involving attorney review isn’t either.
It’s probably more likely to be effective than begging god to come smite the baddies on a blog?! Bizarre…[/QUOTE]
Yeah. If the blog is an indication of how the OP runs her life, I can see why she didn’t have an written agreement… and why she needs one.
IME, the people who most badly can’t make word and deed match are the people who need to put things in writing. And they are always the least likely to do that. Also (and I’m speaking of myself here), the times I don’t want to grow a pair and put something in writing with someone first… are the times that I know I’m about to make a mistake that I don’t want to face. I can tell I’m about to make a mistake precisely because I don’t want to think about what it would take to prevent it.
Also, I find that you don’t need contracts with people who offer them… and you really do need contracts with those who want to wing it.
If the horse is being taken care of be happy. Don’t be bitchin it isn’t the vet or holistic care you wanted. The horse is ok you are ok everything is ok so just relax I guess because your details were sketchy to say the least.
You sold the horse two years ago (your choice).
Then you start a Go Fund Me charity page to collect money. That in itself is a giant slap in the face to those that are ill or in need of serious help.
There are also two more years ahead that would be within your timeframe to buy back the horse. So really in 2018 is when you should start your words of advice.
The biggest issue is that you blame everyone else for what you have done or allowed to happen.
I think your problem and your crowd sourcing for funds really takes away from those that have truly been through a tragedy like the death of a beloved pet.
Your horse is alive and well, that’s what should keep you from feeling sorry for yourself.
It’s too bad she isn’t in your hands, and that must not feel good to you, but you had choices to make you just made the wrong ones.
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This makes it sound like the person you sold her to DID offer to sell her back to you, for the asking price of $5000
https://www.gofundme.com/28s7xhte
If you can’t afford $5000, are you really in a position financially to take good care of this horse?
And I don’t know when these videos of her were taken but there were 2 videos uploaded just 2 weeks ago and she seems to have more gray on the muzzle than in the videos uploaded earlier…
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_thhfYxECcirRUZ0Qe1szA
And there’s a video of her uploaded a year ago, looking happy in a field. Jumping 10 months ago. Which seems to suggest you were allowed to go visit her? And she looks healthy and happy?!
I am REALLY sorry you miss her and had to give her up. But it really seems like you did the right thing. I wish you could see that Not everyone believes the same thing when it comes to vets/chiro/animal communicators/crystals etc. She looks happy and healthy. I hope you can come around to seeing that although you miss her and the new owners don’t do things the way you did- that maybe things are okay.
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I am really sorry you are hurting but if you cannot afford the purchase price you cannot afford the horse. The purchase price is the cheapest thing about the horse.
And I am really sorry but if you had told me you are going to take a holistic approach and not do things that benefit the horse I would have sold the horse as far away from you as I can and I am not an mean or horrible person who does things to spite people. I would have been looking out for the horse. JMHO.
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I don’t know if a piece of paper will help, I’ve had ROFR disregarded and leases broken.
Also, as someone said 4 yrs is 2018.
I also dedicate this particular blog to a horse I once had for 10 years. A horse that was my soul horse. My heart is broken as I type these words. A horse that needed a special owner to watch over her health issues and to get the special care that she needs. I let this horse down as I did not do what my inner voice said to do, and that was to free lease her out until I got over the hump. Well, I let someone I trusted talk me into doing something I really did not want to do, and after this all circumstances went down hill. And the horse suffered briefly due to the disregard of my veterinarian’s diagnosis and recommendations which were ignored. Not only that, but a promise was made to me in 2014 that I would get the horse back in 4 years. This meant the world to me. However, this did not mean anything to a few other people who thought they knew better. Well now, the horse was sold to someone else. So I remain suffering in silence. She was my rock when no one else would listen. She was my therapy. No one understood the relationship I had with this horse. No one. Now she’s gone.
I suffer in silence knowing that I most likely will never see her again. No one cares, if they only knew the pain I suffer within maybe their would be compassion. To never again see her in the field on my farm. To never again hear her whinny. To never again be in her presence. To never again see her everyday. To never again sit on her back and go for a ride. Taken away from me without a care in the world, because of $$$$ and because it fit others agendas and not mine. And I will never stop speaking my truth on this. .
Mankind is in a sorry state these days, and hopefully the Grace of God will eventually descend down one day to wipe away all the evil that is present in this world. To wipe away the ego and the uncaring and the lack of compassion for both animals and humans. As to Wregal, it appears it is too late for me to get her back. However, I am the type that does not give up hope. With God all things are possible.
While I agree that there’s a lot of nonsense going on here and something smells funky, I think this statement is a bit of a stretch.
So, if I am following…
You had to give up the horse for finacial reasons, and so you found a suitable home (you thought at the time), and you would get her back in 4 years, but also had a First Right of Refusal. If you were definitely getting the horse back, then why would a FROR be needed? THese seem to be two different deal to me.
It sounds like you did get a chance to buy her back, but were unable to due to funds. Now the horse is elsewhere and not having the level of care you deem necessary, but is being cared for in in seemingly good health.
OP, I understand your feel like you lost something dear to you, and I am sorry for that, but it really isn’t sounding like it was quite the word to wise lesson you are portraying it as. Seems like everything was followed, but just didn’t turn out the way you had hoped.
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I can’t post all the details here on this site. I just wanted to warn people that’s all. A good part of this was my fault that I did not free lease her out as I would have had more control. I let myself get talked into selling her. MY mistake that I pay for EVERYDAY. And btw, my financial situation has improved however no one has 5k laying around, and I only had 4 days to make a decision. I had no time to SAVE UP the money.
The horse suffered with massive side effects when new owner vaccinated her against my veterinarian’s diagnosis. The side effects reappeared and the horse had abscesses that rotated from foot to foot to foot over a 6 month period in 2014.
I have the vet records. People suggested could have sued to get her back due to the neglect. However that costs MORE money which I did not have at the time.
The horse also has an auto immune condition known as EIMMS. and certain things flare it up (its a very painful muscle condition). My holistic vets and animal sports therapist know about this. Its real and it exists, I saw this mare go through it and we were able to reverse it THROUGH the treatments and recommendations by my holistic veterinarians.
It is out of my hands, my heart aches, and there is nothing I can do except for hope for the best.
AGAIN the only reason I posted this, is so no one else ends up losing something very precious to them. I will be okay and I just want to do good by helping others NOT to make the same mistakes I did.
So what does the acronym EIMMS mean?
And if the present owner is asking $5K, why throw this in?
"I am trying to prevent her life from ending at a slaughter mill. "
I doubt a killer buyer will go $5K for a horse.
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A quick Google search for “EIMMS in horses” turns up hits for equine metabolic syndrome. Not autoimmune, and not a muscular condition.
So neither the internet nor CoTH’s resident vet have heard of EIMMS.
Anytime someone says they have an animal with a condition that can only be treated with holistic medicine, it screams special snowflake. It raises suspicion when someone claims their special practitioner know all about this condition, but no one else has even heard about it.
OP, I feel for, and get, having to make hard decisions that you don’t want to make, but that life forces on you. But if the issue is that you don’t like that the horse’s new owner made medical choices you didn’t agree with, well, you’re going to have to move past that.
Going against your wishes or your vet’s recommendations, even if it results in a poor outcome, does not equal neglect.
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