Always get stuff in writing no matter who it is

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=scstables2;8753334]
I hear you.

We know where the mare is now, and I have friends who keep me updated sometimes (and do drive bys)…

I also had reported this to Animal Control in 2014, and she said I could hire a lawyer and sue to get her back due to the neglect of the veterinary care which caused her to suffer for 5 months straight. However at that time I did not have enough funds to hire a lawyer to pursue this. There are NO laws which protect any animal from neglect of following the care outlined by a vet which in my opinion is borderline animal abuse.

And who ever said it was elitist about making statements about needing to be well off to own a horse I agree. I know of those who rent and get partial food access cards and still own a horse…[/QUOTE]

What on earth would be the cause of action?! You don’t have a tort claim here?! That “legal” advice makes NO sense to me. Since when do animal control officers know about private civil claims?!

OP everything you post is more and more bizarre. I hope you can get yourself together. I really do. Let it go. The horse seems fine.

[Ghazzu]

[QUOTE=scstables2;8753394]
My veterinarian had mentioned possible auto immune issues also…

immune mediated myofascial syndrome. myofasical - muscle. the heart, a muscle…[/QUOTE]

I am somewhat familiar with the composition of the equine heart.

And myofascial does not mean muscle. It means the connective tissue that surrounds it.

Myofascial syndrome refers to a painful condition related to some compromise in this structure, not a direct “attack” on myocardium or skeletal muscle tissue per se.

[scstables2]

[QUOTE=ladyj79;8753293]
Right of first refusal in no way means the buyer must offer you the horse back for original purchase price.[/QUOTE]

You are right on that one! Not many choose to hold to their word, or even contracts at that…

[scstables2]

[QUOTE=Ghazzu;8753410]
I am somewhat familiar with the composition of the equine heart.

And myofascial does not mean muscle. It means the connective tissue that surrounds it.

Myofascial syndrome refers to a painful condition related to some compromise in this structure, not a direct “attack” on myocardium or skeletal muscle tissue per se.[/QUOTE]

Thanks… vet did not mention that one…I just knew it related to the muscle.

[scstables2]

[QUOTE=vxf111;8753403]
What on earth would be the cause of action?! You don’t have a tort claim here?! That “legal” advice makes NO sense to me. Since when do animal control officers know about private civil claims?!

OP everything you post is more and more bizarre. I hope you can get yourself together. I really do. Let it go. The horse seems fine.[/QUOTE]

The whole thing was BIZARRE from the start. I ignored the signs. MY FAULT as I said and a VERY difficult lesson for me to learn!

[scstables2]

[QUOTE=vxf111;8753403]
What on earth would be the cause of action?! You don’t have a tort claim here?! That “legal” advice makes NO sense to me. Since when do animal control officers know about private civil claims?!

OP everything you post is more and more bizarre. I hope you can get yourself together. I really do. Let it go. The horse seems fine.[/QUOTE]

Because the animal control officer knew of some claims similar to my situation…

Animal neglect or abuse according to the Officer…

[Sugarwells]

[QUOTE=scstables2;8753399]
Were you there when the verbal agreements of the sale were initiated? Nope. I have a right to speak out when people do not honor their word.

Honoring one’s word is something I hold highly. This is not something many are able to do on this planet and this is a sad thing. It is a wonder the human race has not self destructed yet.[/QUOTE]
No, I wasn’t there, because I don’t deal with people like yourself.
Yeah. It’s no wonder, considering there are people like you around making false claims against the people that own that mare now. The headaches you cause yourself and others must be enormous.

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=scstables2;8753425]
Because the animal control officer knew of some claims similar to my situation…[/QUOTE]

I wouldn’t put much stock in that sort of legal advice from a non-lawyer.

I can’t even begin to fathom what the cause of action would be.

[chicagojumper]

[QUOTE=scstables2;8753287]
And btw, Dr. Whittaker did say not only could vaccines trigger the auto immune issue again, but also other types of toxins which stress the horse’s body. Dr. Whittaker was top notch in her field and she herself never vaccinated her horses.
.[/QUOTE]

I always raise an eyebrow when the word “toxin” is trotted out, especially when used in context with holistic practitioners. This is true whether the discussion pertains to horses, canines, or humans.

I would also seriously question the practices of a vet that unilaterally never ever vaccinated their animals. Like ever. I worked for vets for many years, and while many might adjust the protocol depending on the animals, I never knew a single doc that was just “anti-vaccination.” They all understood the importance of vaccination in some way shape or form.

[scstables2]

[QUOTE=CindyCRNA;8753402]
OP, I am so sorry you are going thru this and I am sorry for how insensitive some here have been. I understand autoimmune and not wanting vaccinations. We had 3-4 young 20-somethings die shortly after getting in-country after multiple vaccinations during in-processing and an undiagnosed autoimmune disorder so it is not to be taken lightly. I am also so very sorry at the horrible regret you have for something that at the time, seemed like a wise idea. While the new owners seem to love her (?), they may be missing the mark on top notch medical care in your opinion. I truly am sorry. I have a 16 year old TB I have had since birth and I could not bear to go what you are going thru.[/QUOTE]

OMG THANK YOU. Thank you for sharing this!! And one of the nicest and most humane responses I have had so far. And understanding, and knowledgable on auto immune issues.

You have an open, caring heart and are very concerned about animal welfare. Bless you!!! Thank you so much for your comment. This is what heals me, nasty comments are not healing.

[scstables2]

[QUOTE=Sugarwells;8753426]
No, I wasn’t there, because I don’t deal with people like yourself.
Yeah. It’s no wonder, considering there are people like you around making false claims against the people that own that mare now. The headaches you cause yourself and others must be enormous.[/QUOTE]

Really. false claims when I have WITNESSES.

[SendenHorse]

[QUOTE=scstables2;8753434]
OMG THANK YOU. Thank you for sharing this!! And one of the nicest and most humane responses I have had so far. And understanding, and knowledgable on auto immune issues.

You have an open, caring heart and are very concerned about animal welfare. Bless you!!! Thank you so much for your comment. This is what heals me, nasty comments are not healing.[/QUOTE]

Why did you actually start this thread?

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=scstables2;8753425]

Animal neglect or abuse according to the Officer…[/QUOTE]

Neither is a private civil cause of action

[scstables2]

To warn people to get things in writing in a contract and don’t rely on anyone’s word as most people do not honor their word.

THAT is all. And like usual, it gets turned into something it’s not by a MILLION assumptions…

I do not understand why humans always fill in the blanks with assumptions. It just causes problems…

[scstables2]

[QUOTE=vxf111;8753451]
Neither is a private civil cause of action[/QUOTE]

Time to create new laws…

[scstables2]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8753443]
Why did you actually start this thread?[/QUOTE]

To warn people to get things in writing in a contract and don’t rely on anyone’s word as most people do not honor their word.

THAT is all. And like usual, it gets turned into something it’s not by a MILLION assumptions…

I do not understand why humans always fill in the blanks with assumptions. It just causes problems…

[fordtraktor]

Vxf111, the situation screams that AC was thinking “go be someone else’s problem!” Not an evaluation of the fact the case had any merit. But that’s just my practical, off the cuff reckoning. (I.e. “If you think you can prove abuse, sue them in court, I can’t do anything.”)

Courts do not create laws, in general. Certainly not causes of action such as this.

[vxf111]

Can’t fix crazy clearly. OP I hope you get what you need but I doubt it’s to be found here.

[ladyj79]

I’m confused as to how you think a written contract would have helped you seeing as you were offered the mare back; you could not afford the purchase price.

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=fordtraktor;8753460]
Vxf111, the situation screams that AC was thinking “go be someone else’s problem!” Not an evaluation of the fact the case had any merit. But that’s just my practical, off the cuff reckoning.

Courts do not create laws, in general. Certainly not causes of action such as this.[/QUOTE]

Coupled with OP’s difficulty understanding what people say, apparently. This thread illustrates that she didn’t fully understand the agreement with the new buyer, what her holistic vet said, what the animal control officer said, or what many of the posts here say.