I am currently looking at a mare that has an American Hanoverian Certificate of Pedigree. She cannot be registered, and is not eligible for inspection, correct? Does this mean that any foal she may have in the future cannot be registered and would also only be eligible for COP?
Mare is by a TB stallion, out of a Hano mare.
Unless the tb stallion is one of the few approved for breeding with AHS, I believe the COP is the best you can do.
And it looks like as of now she is not eligible for entrance into the AHS studbook for breeding.
https://hanoverian.org/certificate-of-pedigree/
That said, she’ll be eligible for breeding in other wb registries such as RPSI.
Depending on who the TB stallion is/who he’s approved with, she may be eligible for several WB books which will allow her offspring to be registered WBs of those books.
Check into the sire. At our RPSI inspection this year, a lot of nice mares with premium scores were entered into the Pre-Mare books because of a lack of acceptable pedigree. The foals of those mares still only get a COP…
If a horse ends up with a COP from AHS (or some other registry) is is possible for offspring of that horse to get into the main books eventually, say after 2-3 more generations provided those offspring have one parent who is already in the main book?
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If a horse ends up with a COP from AHS (or some other registry) is is possible for offspring of that horse to get into the main books eventually, say after 2-3 more generations provided those offspring have one parent who is already in the main book?[/QUOTE]
Going 100% on what they’ve listed about COPs, I’d say the short answer is no: “they may not be inspected and entered into the AHS breeding program, nor may they be branded.” Not entered int the breeding program insinuates that even if bred to an approved Hanno, you’d still only get COPs.
I find that it’s always best to deal with the registry directly. You can get concrete information from people who live and breath their registry, and work to improve it.
hmm, I thought there were some registries where let’s say horse 1 gets a COP then horse 1 is bred to approved stallion and has horse 2. Then horse 2 bred with another approved horse and has horse 3. I was under the impression that if horse 3 were bred with an approved horse then the offspring, horse4, could have an opportunity to get into the books on its own merit with pedigree not being a restriction.
RSPI, AWS, Old/NA and perhaps others work just as you have described. Anything with 4 legs csn have offspring that works its way up the books.
This is why those registries, and others like them, are not as well respected as AHS, GOV, and others with rigorous standards.
GOV accepts TBs for inspection into their books. They also allow inspected and recorded GOV Pre-Mare book mares to breed with Approved stallions, allowing their offspring to “move up the books” as SnicklefritzG has outlined.
I’ve actually never read an exclusionary clause like the one I posted above. But I am by no means an expert on every warmblood registry in existence.
“Quality mares with less verification can enter the lower books depending on their pedigree.”
http://oldenburghorse.net/upload/pdfs/2014_OHBS_Rulebook.pdf
Again, best to contact a prospective registry with pedigree info to discuss your options.
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hmm, I thought there were some registries where let’s say horse 1 gets a COP then horse 1 is bred to approved stallion and has horse 2. Then horse 2 bred with another approved horse and has horse 3. I was under the impression that if horse 3 were bred with an approved horse then the offspring, horse4, could have an opportunity to get into the books on its own merit with pedigree not being a restriction.[/QUOTE]
I do think it’s relevant to point out that 4 generations of breeding, means you have to spend a minimum of 12 years before you (potentially) end up with a fully pedigreed animal…and 15 years before that animal has the potential to enter their studbooks. And that’s only if you manage to get fillies all four times, and get them advanced to the highest possible book for their pedigree once they turn three.
It’s not “easy” by any stretch.
Thank you all for your responses. I am looking at the mare as a performance horse, however I did want to understand what her breeding limitations might be in the future. She’s a lovely animal…PPE scheduled for Tuesday!
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Thank you all for your responses. I am looking at the mare as a performance horse, however I did want to understand what her breeding limitations might be in the future. She’s a lovely animal…PPE scheduled for Tuesday![/QUOTE]
Exciting! The best thing about a COP is you have documentation that verifies breeding and age. Both seem to be fading out in competition, but the second, IMHO, is invaluable to know exactly where your horse is in her life cycle.
Best of luck with your mare!
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