I used to sit on a lot of Andy’s sale horses many moons ago, back when he was living on the road out of his trailer. I think he was still with wife #1 then. He would show up and drop some of his less-immediately-saleable horses off for us to work for a few months as we have a program with lots of talented juniors, lots of sale horses, lots of horses in training, so we can always fit riders with horses.
These horses were always total neurotic messes. They flatted very poorly (he was very open about how much he hated flatting) and were not broke at ALL. I always dreaded the first 90 days with a Kocher horse because it was a really ridiculous return to basics just to get appropriate w/t/c from it. More importantly, most had some pretty gnarly stopping issues. When they would stop, they would IMMEDIATELY go into a full panic mode that I had not seen before and have not seen since. I had one that stopped at a liverpool the first time seeing it, no biggie, it was spooky, I had jumped him a few times prior to this and no major meltdowns. He stopped, then he stood straight up in the air and bolted with me and ran straight through the arena fence in a blind panic. Literally through it into the adjacent arena.
Had several from him that you absolutely could not touch with a crop. A regular fair tap for regular reasons resulted in some epic and dangerous meltdowns. I knew Andy had shit hands and was always described as “old school,” so I was never surprised by these horses being frantic and anxious and neurotic. I was surprised by the severity of their responses even after I had been schooling them for a few months. A lot of them never got over their particular neuroses, he had totally fried them.
I hated riding his horses, I hated how he rode, I hated that my trainer would let him drop off horses all the time and I hated that they always ended up being my projects because it was often bordering on dangerous. I was the least surprised person when the news of the electric spurs came out - in fact, a couple horses immediately came to mind and it was like the final puzzle piece fitting - oh so THAT explains Dobbin’s very specific xyz behavior that never totally made sense to me. I’m the sort of person that has ridden thousands of horses over the years, professionally in the past, so it says something when multiple animals from one person come to mind a decade later because they were so problematic.
My trainer had had enough of his shit a couple years prior to all the hoopla beginning with him, so we were no longer getting his horses.
He’s still merrily posting away on his insta with sale horses and auctions, etc. I follow him from a “keep your enemies closer” standpoint. I keep an eye on what horses he’s trying to unload so if one of them shows up somewhere, it’s proceed with caution time.