Animal Communicator, Lidia Hiby

[arlosmine]

This thread has devolved a bit into a loop of “If it hasnt be proven by current scientific standards, it doesn’t exist”…followed by an assortment of back and forth name calling.

As some one who has had some of these “unexplainable” experiences, I see both sides. My experiences really just raised more questions for me than answers, chief among them:

Why the hell did I have my “stuff” (with the exception of one) happen with animals that were not mine, and that I didn’t have any real personal connection with? One was even with a horse I didnt own and didn’t like at all. It was extremely frustrating to have animals that I would have LOVED to get insight from…but no-go.

If animals communicate in images, then how does the predator/prey thing work? Or any sort of social overthrow? Obviously there would have to be some way to “block” transmission, or there would be no need for much stalking behavior, and no element of surprise. I suppose that we can choose to use our spoken language…or not, so maybe they can? But still, having the option for image sharing would preclude much duplicity, and animals successfully hide their intentions from one another all of the time.

The issue of suckers being parted from their money is unrelated to the veracity of AC. Scammers find a chink in the scamee’s financial armor and exploit it to their advantage, and they do it in finance, real estate, investments, etc… I think it’s as silly to use the scammers as proof of total illegitimacy as it would be to use a Ponzi scheme to discredit all legitimate investments.

Not having a science background perhaps makes it easier for me to not feel the need to choose a side here. I am willing to say that I just don’t understand it. There are many things I don’t understand, but I selectively choose to operate as if the are “real”, whether the science exists to prove it or not, based on a set of variables I’ve experienced.

The fact that I have had “stuff” happen to me, and have witnessed “stuff” does make me more open to its existence…but I still don’t get how it could work. Instead of this making me dismiss it out of hand, it makes it more interesting to me, and I do look forward to the day I can read about a bonified study that identifies how “it” works. I hope I live that long.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Sunflower;8399770]
Nor, in fact, is it sketchy. Quantum physics is an amazingly interesting and complex field. But it is far from sketchy. And, of course, as a field of science, it is not a matter of belief, but of following scientific principles.[/QUOTE]

You are the one that touched on that, brought that straw man argument out.
Now you want to dismiss it so easily, when it is obvious cause and effect are not what you think it is.

I already linked to explanations why that doesn’t work quite like that.

What we know of consciousness and quantum physics are not really close enough to determine linear causality paths.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Sunflower;8399770]
Nor, in fact, is it sketchy. Quantum physics is an amazingly interesting and complex field. But it is far from sketchy. And, of course, as a field of science, it is not a matter of belief, but of following scientific principles.[/QUOTE]

You are the one that touched on that.
Now you want to dismiss it so easily, when it is obvious cause and effect are not what you think it is.

I already linked to explanations why that doesn’t work quite like that.

What we know of consciousness and quantum physics are not really close enough to determine linear causality paths.

[Kwill]

I bothered to go look up what a swami was, since I had no idea.

As I said earlier, valid research into the paranormal of any kind isn’t going to happen because no one is going to spend money and resources on it. So, we are stuck with anecdotal evidence, private practitioners with self-endorsed credentials, and TV shows about ghost hunters and the like. The paranormal stays firmly in the realm of entertainment and personal experience for the time being (which is what people are suggesting here, for the most part, hire an AC for entertainment purposes, a little doddle into the unexplained).

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Kwill;8400008]
I bothered to go look up what a swami was, since I had no idea.

As I said earlier, valid research into the paranormal of any kind isn’t going to happen because no one is going to spend money and resources on it. So, we are stuck with anecdotal evidence, private practitioners with self-endorsed credentials, and TV shows about ghost hunters and the like. The paranormal stays firmly in the realm of entertainment and personal experience for the time being (which is what people are suggesting here, for the most part, hire an AC for entertainment purposes, a little doddle into the unexplained).[/QUOTE]

One of my aunts was a bona fide fortune teller, is what she did all her life, out of a hole in the wall little house, had a little front room with bead curtains and a little round table with a large sating cloth, glass ball, assorted stuff, cards, etc.
She also dressed the part, like what the general public would consider a gypsy, I think.
I was a little kid when we visited her, so don’t quite remember and what I do is filtered by a kid’s eyes.

I know that later, when anyone asked her if she really could see the future, she would only say, “some times, I even surprise myself” and winked, never gave a straight answer.
Then she would get serious and continue, “but I know I help many people with what I listen to and what I tell them”.
She was good, many people would not do anything important in their lives without first consulting with her.

Point of the story, there is more to the supernatural and it’s place, if real or not, in our societies, why it lingers on, filling some needs, even with those that know better.

[SendenHorse]

[QUOTE=Bluey;8400050]
One of my aunts was a bona fide fortune teller, is what she did all her life, out of a hole in the wall little house, had a little front room with bead curtains and a little round table with a large sating cloth, glass ball, assorted stuff, cards, etc.
She also dressed the part, like what the general public would consider a gypsy, I think.
I was a little kid when we visited her, so don’t quite remember and what I do is filtered by a kid’s eyes.

I know that later, when anyone asked her if she really could see the future, she would only say, “some times, I even surprise myself” and winked, never gave a straight answer.
Then she would get serious and continue, “but I know I help many people with what I listen to and what I tell them”.
She was good, many people would not do anything important in their lives without first consulting with her.

s
re is more to the supernatural and it’s place, if real or not, in our societies, why it lingers on, filling some needs, even with those that know better.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you have a fortune telling aunt. Riiiiight… how convenient.
can you prove it? How do we know you’re not making this up?

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8399754]
In realizing this is how you are thinking about this-- I realize why this conversation isn’t working. you just don’t understand about research and specialities- you can’t just hop between fields and expertise.[/QUOTE]

Of course not. But the process of analysis IS the same. To say it isn’t is a nice “side step” but not much of an intellectual answer.

G.

[Lady_Eboshi]

[QUOTE=Sunflower;8399770]
Nor, in fact, is it sketchy. Quantum physics is an amazingly interesting and complex field. But it is far from sketchy. And, of course, as a field of science, it is not a matter of belief, but of following scientific principles.[/QUOTE]

Quantum physics is a moving-target THEORY about which more is unknown than known. I’ve read Stephen Hawking too . . .

But that’s not what we’re talking about here. We’re talking about someone who claims they can read the mind of a HORSE they’ve never seen, on the basis of a conversation with its owner whom they don’t know, over the PHONE from thousands of miles away.

Now if that’s not the living DEFINITION of “sketchy,” I don’t know what would be.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8400058]
Yeah, you have a fortune telling aunt. Riiiiight… how convenient.
can you prove it? How do we know you’re not making this up?[/QUOTE]

It is in bad taste to call posters liars.
How would you feel if someone said, when you stated you were a scientists, “you don’t sound like one, prove you are one”.

Yep, that would be just as rude.

I will say, one possible proof could be, consistency.
I have told that same story here and there since I first contributed in forums.
Best I remember, at least twice in the many years now on COTH.
We may say, I didn’t just make it up for our current entertaining thread on the supernatural and so, as you say, a convenient lie.

[Lady_Eboshi]

[QUOTE=Sandy M;8399801]
ROFLOL. It is EXACTLY “weird woo stuff.” Please: Gut Feelings. You ARE aware of the human tendency to confirmation bias? So you get a “bad” feeling, and OMG, the next day someone calls and your great-aunt Sally has passed. OMG, you KNEW it!!! (But somehow you forget the 300 times you had a “gut feeling” and NOTHING happened.)[/QUOTE]

Right!

Works like this:

Today is Friday the 13th*. Most people don’t know why, but they know that for some reason of ancient origin it’s considered “unlucky.” Should they fall off their horse, bicycle, front steps or SHOES today, that will of COURSE reinforce their confirmation bias that it happened because Friday the 13th is “unlucky.”
Should the same thing happen any OTHER day, well, clumsy me.

*Friday the 13th became a “thing” only because it happened to be the day in history when the Pope decided to round up and exterminate the Knights Templar as heretics. Bummer for them. For the REST of us, it’s right up there with breaking a mirror or walking under a ladder.

[caffeinated]

[QUOTE=Wirt;8399813]
I’m late to the party, so maybe this all ready came up.

The man who calls himself “The Amazing Randy” has done many experiments with the paranormal, fortune telling, esp, etc.[/QUOTE]

You mean Randi, with an “I”

There is an interesting documentary on Netflix about him, called “An Honest Liar.” I would recommend giving it a look.

[roseymare]

[QUOTE=Sandy M;8399814]
Not to mention that this particular Swami’s estate (presumably) had to pay up $2 million in the late '90s as a result of a sexual abuse case. Guess he didn’t “intuit” that might happen.[/QUOTE]

So any research done by a reputable scientific establishment as to wether or not this particular man can control his autonomic nervous system is now null and void because he was convicted of sexual abuse?
Is all research voided on subjects if in the future they are found guilty of something?

[Lady_Eboshi]

[QUOTE=Kwill;8400008]
I bothered to go look up what a swami was, since I had no idea.

As I said earlier, valid research into the paranormal of any kind isn’t going to happen because no one is going to spend money and resources on it. So, we are stuck with anecdotal evidence, private practitioners with self-endorsed credentials, and TV shows about ghost hunters and the like. The paranormal stays firmly in the realm of entertainment and personal experience for the time being (which is what people are suggesting here, for the most part, hire an AC for entertainment purposes, a little doddle into the unexplained).[/QUOTE]

Laughing about this thread with my breakfast companion this morning, he brought up a famous gag about a Dog Expert no one dared ever question because he had the letters “MKC” after his name. Everyone thought this was some high academic credential. In reality it stood for “Member of the Kennel Club.” :lol:

[Lady_Eboshi]

[QUOTE=roseymare;8400077]
So any research done by a reputable scientific establishment as to wether or not this particular man can control his autonomic nervous system is now null and void because he was convicted of sexual abuse?
Is all research voided on subjects if in the future they are found guilty of something?[/QUOTE]

Any person with sufficient yogic training can control aspects of their autonomic systems to one degree or another. It’s a learned skill. Go look up Lamaze or Combat Breathing, a very useful ELEMENTARY exercise of that kind taught to cops, soldiers and target shooters all over the world. No woo-woo required!
Capable of knocking down a full-on adrenaline dump in about 30 seconds, and an immensely useful tool for competitive riders.

What that’s got to do with telephone mind-reading of ANIMALS eludes me.

My Lab puppy is pretty good at communication. When he needs to pee, he scratches on the door and whines and makes oogley-noises like Scooby Doo.
But until someone calls to let me know his doggy request for bladder relief is being picked up by someone in a trailer park in Bumstruck, CO, and I therefore owe them twenty bucks, I will continue to believe that gullible people are being exploited by charlatans in this context.

People can spend their “entertainment” dollar any way they please.
It’s only a problem when an animal is not receiving the care it needs because someone is relying on this kind of nonsense instead.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;8400083]
Laughing about this thread with my breakfast companion this morning, he brought up a famous gag about a Dog Expert no one dared ever question because he had the letters “MKC” after his name. Everyone thought this was some high academic credential. In reality it stood for “Member of the Kennel Club.” :lol:[/QUOTE]

I wonder which kennel club?
The AKC doesn’t has individual members that I know about.
It has member breed clubs, performance clubs, kennels, etc.

My dog breed club is registered with them, so is my dog, so would be a kennel if I was a breeder, so is our performance dog club, licensed and so registered with the AKC.

[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;8400092]Any person with sufficient yogic training can control aspects of their autonomic systems to one degree or another. It’s a learned skill. Go look up Lamaze or Combat Breathing, a very useful ELEMENTARY exercise of that kind taught to cops, soldiers and target shooters all over the world. No woo-woo required!
Capable of knocking down a full-on adrenaline dump in about 30 seconds, and an immensely useful tool for competitive riders.

What that’s got to do with telephone mind-reading of ANIMALS eludes me.

My Lab puppy is pretty good at communication. When he needs to pee, he scratches on the door and whines and makes oogley-noises like Scooby Doo.
But until someone calls to let me know his doggy request for bladder relief is being picked up by someone in a trailer park in Bumstruck, CO, and I therefore owe them twenty bucks, I will continue to believe that gullible people are being exploited by charlatans in this context.

People can spend their “entertainment” dollar any way they please.
It’s only a problem when an animal is not receiving the care it needs because someone is relying on this kind of nonsense instead.[/QUOTE]

Biofeedback is a very well known and used technique in many aspects of our lives, for training, in medicine, in research of all kinds.

It doesn’t involve any “supernatural” energies, that we know.

[Lady_Eboshi]

[QUOTE=Bluey;8400098]
I wonder which kennel club?
The AKC doesn’t has individual members that I know about.
It has member breed clubs, performance clubs, kennels, etc.

My dog breed club is registered with them, so is my dog, so would be a kennel if I was a breeder, so is our performance dog club, licensed and so registered with the AKC.

Biofeedback is a very well known and used technique in many aspects of our lives, for training, in medicine, in research of all kinds.

It doesn’t involve any “supernatural” energies, that we know.[/QUOTE]

The “MKC” thing is “A joke, son, a JOKE!” as Foghorn Leghorn says.

[Ghazzu]

[QUOTE=roseymare;8400077]
So any research done by a reputable scientific establishment as to wether or not this particular man can control his autonomic nervous system is now null and void because he was convicted of sexual abuse?
Is all research voided on subjects if in the future they are found guilty of something?[/QUOTE]

Did you read the cited article about the swami?
It more closely rsembles bad “Twilight” fanfiction than it does anything resembling “science”.

[Countrywood]

My Lab puppy is pretty good at communication. When he needs to pee, he scratches on the door and whines and makes oogley-noises like Scooby Doo.
But until someone calls to let me know his doggy request for bladder relief is being picked up by someone in a trailer park in Bumstruck, CO, and I therefore owe them twenty bucks

Too funny.

[Kwill]

Wish my puppy would ask, at all! So if someone calls me from Bumstruck and I can get him out in time, I will send them $20.

Of course, he needs to pee every two hours, so it wouldn’t be so hard to do, would it!

Also if you are some enlightened being, like the swami, I would think you could control your base sexual urges. Or better yet, want to.

Edit: I went back to actually read the swami article link posted. It starts like this: “Reincarnation is a law of nature. We continue to reincarnate indefinitely and forever.” So they kind of lost me there. Then there’s a lot of fan boi stuff about the swami and his powers over poison, turning wheels, and other things. And that he can predict the near future, which then they blithely say “proves we have no free will.” Um, ok. Too weird and not really to our point here except that possibly people can control the state of their physical body to an extreme degree.

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=roseymare;8400077]
So any research done by a reputable scientific establishment as to wether or not this particular man can control his autonomic nervous system is now null and void because he was convicted of sexual abuse?
Is all research voided on subjects if in the future they are found guilty of something?[/QUOTE]

Just sayin’ that it reflects on one’s honesty and truthfulness and character. Still find the “scientific tests” you cite not convincing nor properly …agghh…word isn’t coming to me…properly structured (?)