Anonymous Fox Hunter

Good evening, BeastieSlave!

You have my respect for being so thoughtful and persistent, and it sounds like you have sought out (and received) good advice and are taking very logical steps. I’m sorry your first season wasn’t more enjoyable.

That said, It sure could have been a lot worse! There are some folks who have brought out first-time hunt horses who would be thanking the sweet little tiny infant baby Jesus if the worst thing that happened was getting increasingly worked up at checks and incessant headflipping. #perspective #comparedtowhat

Yours Anonymously doesn’t hold herself out as a horse trainer, but here are some thoughts. Well, okay, my first thought reading this was, Move up to second (or first) flight. So that was a logical move (and I glean that you are a more than adequate rider).

Good for you to practice standing on a long rein. The circling at checks – which virtually every expert/dusty tome/wizened hunt guru will tell you is all right – is definitely preferable to hi-ho Silver bucking, bolting off, trodding upon hounds like the Stonehenge monument in “This is Spinal Tap,” or crashing into other riders.

BUT, if your horse isn’t really about to do any of those things, I’d stop telling him to go forward in a walk circle, and ask him to stand; or technically, not ask him to do anything. I think you know all this, but the more you can relax your “ass” and your entire leg (the parts of your body in greatest contact with the horse), exhale a deep breath, and loosen the reins as much as you dare, the better. Even if you’re pretty regularly having to check him with the reins, go back to as loose as possible, and as relaxed tushie as possible, because you want every part of your body telling him Nothing. Do nothing. Zero input from you. Stand, now that’s it. Absence of further input.

BTW, teaching a good Stand will come in handy when you have to open and close gates.

Sometimes I’ll even very deliberately lean or rest on one of my hands on the withers, kind of trying to communicate, Boy I am tired, I am just going to park it right here on you – hey, aren’t you tired too? Think of recreating whatever posture you might have during a group lesson, after you’ve just completed an exercise, and now you’re going to watch the other 3 riders do it. Sit like that. Even slouch if you have to.

Lots of folks ride with a couple of peppermints or a carrot in their pocket, to distract their horse if needed. That can be a double-edged sword, I think, because if you offer too generously, and don’t hold your hand low enough, you could go reaching for that wadded-up Kleenex that’s been lurking in a coat pocket since the Bush I administration, and your horse could feel that movement and flip over backwards trying to get the treat. I think of saving that more for a green horse when you can hear the horn and are worried that the whole pack, kit and kaboodle, are going to go by. You don’t want to attract your horse’s attention to stand at a check; you want him disinterested in everything.

So another suggestion would be to go out as often as you can. Both to really reinforce the point of everything slowing down, and sometimes we have to slow down too, and also just to tire him out a bit.

When #AFH started hunting the late Most Wonderful Horse in the World, whom I’d started from a baby in a field, she had already evented and was pretty steady – but was always good for one huge, unbelievable, gasp-inspiring, Yosemite-Sam-lifting-himself-off-the-ground-firing-his-six-shooters buck per hunt meet. Did I mention she was a big girl (87’ blanket, 1600 lbs) with a head and neck like an excavator? Our first season, while rating speed, other horses close by, hounds, jumps, etc. were no problem, it felt like she was about to buck The. Entire. Time. Only ever did it once per meet – usually when we burst out of the trail into a bright open field – but it felt like she was about to throw the heat every step of the way. Did I mention this was also The Anonymous Foxhunter’s first season hunting? And like most junkies, despite this rather knuckle-whitening experience, I became addicted.

The next season, after I had rearranged my entire life to accommodate more hunting and thereby #feedthemonster, we went out two times per week, and that (and maybe the additional experience) ended the bucking.

If there’s any possibility of parking a mile away and walking (not faster than that) to the meet, so he’s not still in the adrenaline tizzy of stepping off the trailer in the morning dew when the hounds move off, that might help too. It does not sound to me like lunging him or riding up a hill a dozen times before loading will help. It has to be at or on the way to the meet.

If you can get him to stand, but he flips his head incessantly, which I know is THE MOST ANNOYING DAMN THING IN THE WORLD PLEASE STOP IT NOW HORSIE, I honestly would probably tell you to live with it. There are much, much worse things he could be doing, and the Anonymous One believes in picking one’s battles. A three or four hour hunting day is too long to demand perfection.

Remember that relaxed leg and patootie. “Like you’re a fat man riding Western,” is a phrase that my Anonymous Juniors might hear.

I hope you will persevere, and I hope it will work out. It’s definitely positive that he does all the good stuff you described when the field is moving. Don’t give up! My catchphrase for you is, “Sometimes you just have to keep whacking away at the pinata.”

Give us an update!

Anonymously yours,

#AFH

Good evening, BeastieSlave!

You have my respect for being so thoughtful and persistent, and it sounds like you have sought out (and received) good advice and are taking very logical steps. I’m sorry your first season wasn’t more enjoyable.

That said, It sure could have been a lot worse! There are some folks who have brought out first-time hunt horses who would be thanking the sweet little tiny infant baby Jesus if the worst thing that happened was getting increasingly worked up at checks and incessant headflipping. #perspective #comparedtowhat

Yours Anonymously doesn’t hold herself out as a horse trainer, but here are some thoughts. Well, okay, my first thought reading this was, Move up to second (or first) flight. So that was a logical move (and I glean that you are a more than adequate rider).

Good for you to practice standing on a long rein. The circling at checks – which virtually every expert/dusty tome/wizened hunt guru will tell you is all right – is definitely preferable to hi-ho Silver bucking, bolting off, trodding upon hounds like the Stonehenge monument in “This is Spinal Tap,” or crashing into other riders.

BUT, if your horse isn’t really about to do any of those things, I’d stop telling him to go forward in a walk circle, and ask him to stand; or technically, not ask him to do anything. I think you know all this, but the more you can relax your “ass” and your entire leg (the parts of your body in greatest contact with the horse), exhale a deep breath, and loosen the reins as much as you dare, the better. Even if you’re pretty regularly having to check him with the reins, go back to as loose as possible, and as relaxed tushie as possible, because you want every part of your body telling him Nothing. Do nothing. Zero input from you. Stand, now that’s it. Absence of further input.

BTW, teaching a good Stand will come in handy when you have to open and close gates.

Sometimes I’ll even very deliberately lean or rest on one of my hands on the withers, kind of trying to communicate, Boy I am tired, I am just going to park it right here on you – hey, aren’t you tired too? Think of recreating whatever posture you might have during a group lesson, after you’ve just completed an exercise, and now you’re going to watch the other 3 riders do it. Sit like that. Even slouch if you have to.

Lots of folks ride with a couple of peppermints or a carrot in their pocket, to distract their horse if needed. That can be a double-edged sword, I think, because if you offer too generously, and don’t hold your hand low enough, you could go reaching for that wadded-up Kleenex that’s been lurking in a coat pocket since the Bush I administration, and your horse could feel that movement and flip over backwards trying to get the treat. I think of saving that more for a green horse when you can hear the horn and are worried that the whole pack, kit and kaboodle, are going to go by. You don’t want to attract your horse’s attention to stand at a check; you want him disinterested in everything.

So another suggestion would be to go out as often as you can. Both to really reinforce the point of everything slowing down, and sometimes we have to slow down too, and also just to tire him out a bit.

When #AFH started hunting the late Most Wonderful Horse in the World, whom I’d started from a baby in a field, she had already evented and was pretty steady – but was always good for one huge, unbelievable, gasp-inspiring, Yosemite-Sam-lifting-himself-off-the-ground-firing-his-six-shooters buck per hunt meet. Did I mention she was a big girl (87’ blanket, 1600 lbs) with a head and neck like a excavator? Our first season, while rating speed, other horses close by, hounds, jumps, etc. were no problem, it felt like she was about to buck The. Entire. Time. Only ever did it once per meet – usually when we burst out of the trail into a bright open field – but it felt like she was about to throw the heat every step of the way. Did I mention this was also The Anonymous Foxhunter’s first season hunting? And like most junkies, despite this rather knuckle-whitening experience, I became addicted.

The next season, after I had rearranged my entire life to accommodate more hunting and thereby #feedthemonster, we went out two times per week, and that (and maybe the additional experience) ended the bucking.

If there’s any possibility of parking a mile away and walking (not faster than that) to the meet, so he’s not still in the adrenaline tizzy of stepping off the trailer in the morning dew when the hounds move off, that might help too. It does not sound to me like lunging him or riding up a hill a dozen times before loading will help. It has to be at or on the way to the meet.

If you can get him to stand, but he flips his head incessantly, which I know is THE MOST ANNOYING DAMN THING IN THE WORLD PLEASE STOP IT NOW HORSIE, I honestly would probably tell you to live with it. There are much, much worse things he could be doing, and the Anonymous One believes in picking one’s battles. A three or four hour hunting day is too long to demand perfection.

Remember that relaxed leg and patootie. “Like you’re a fat man riding Western,” is a phrase that my Anonymous Juniors might hear.

I hope you will persevere, and I hope it will work out. It’s definitely positive that he does all the good stuff you described when the field is moving. Don’t give up! “Something you just have to keep whacking away at the pinata.”

Give us an update!

Anonymously yours,

#AFH

As my fox hunting mentor and guru, Hunter’s Rest, frequently says (and I paraphrase here… “The most important gait in a fox hunter is the halt. If a horse won’t stand, teach him. If he still won’t stand, sell him. If he still won’t stand, shoot him!”

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As my fox hunting mentor and guru, Hunter’s Rest, frequently says (and I paraphrase here… “The most important gait in a fox hunter is the halt. If a horse won’t stand, teach him. If he still won’t stand, sell him. If he still won’t stand, shoot him!”[/QUOTE]

Why would you shoot a horse after you sold it? :smiley:

Ha-ha! I could never shoot him, but there were moments when I might have asked someone else to shoot him!! Don’t worry, I’ll keep whacking away…

Progress is being made. We went out on hound walk Saturday and had several occasions to stop. The first time he was very composed during a bit of drama that didn’t involve us. Later we checked after a nice run and stood for a while. I couldn’t have expected more! We’ll keep going out on weekends and maybe a few weekdays during the summer.

AFH, you are correct, lunging will not help. My boy is a bottomless TB and while he’s easy going by nature, I suspect once worked up, he would go until he just fell out. I think we will both enjoy first flight and would have moved up last year if we had been more fit - he would have fallen out and I would have fallen off.

So many things to do to get ready!! Who knew we’d need to prepare as much for standing as for running and that we could do either or both for hours on any given hunting day?!

My TB found standing at checks to be the hardest thing to learn. What helped me was to put treats in my pocket and reward him for standing. That, and taking him out for a super long hunt. After about three hours he started to get the picture. Now, when we are at a check, he stands like a champ and rests. As soon as the hounds are cast again, he’s like a rocket!

This horse gets quite annoyed during slow(er) hunts. He believes that hunting is about galloping. If we are slow, he will make up for it by getting very lofty. At the last hunt of the season this year he was NOT. HAPPY. Our huntsman invited us to ride up with her and he had a blast. I couldn’t quite see because the wind in my eyes made everything blurry, but he was right on the mark.

It does take some time to make a good hunt horse. My draft x mare is pretty solid after two seasons but she still throws in a good buck at the beginning just to show me she’s excited to be there!

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Thanks mellsmom, but my boy is rock solid when we’re moving. He’s easy to rate, comes right down to a walk from gallop, goes in front or behind, will walk along on the buckle, has no problem with the hounds, and isn’t silly. He just didn’t want to stand. He’d fidget and toss his head incessantly. I tried him next to seasoned horses who are also his quiet pasture buddies & by himself. I would have happily let him graze but he had no interest.

I’ve heard the three season estimate as well, and I’m okay with that as long as we make progress and don’t bother the other members. He’s a great horse in all other respects. I have no doubt he’ll come around but I’ll take all the help I can get to shorten the time required and help us have more fun :slight_smile:

We’ve been practicing standing around on our hacks and have worked up to half an hour - which is about as long as I can take… I don’t expect him to be fixed the next time we follow the hounds, but hopefully he’ll be better![/QUOTE]

I like rabbit, and hate fox)

Depending on the lay of the land can you let him snatch a bite to eat if he will? My mare will start out the season great but as the months go by, the fitter she is, particularly if we don’t happen to have a proper pipe opener, she will fuss and jog and generally just be a twit when we hold/check. In the interests of making my life easier I find the nearest bit of tall grass/tree moss and let her have at it, terrible I know but much more preferable than the alternative!

I wish! connemarafan, he had no interest in eating more than a quick mouthful of anything when we were hunting.

We’ve had another successful hound walk and I’m hopeful that all the practice and possibly moving up to first flight will do the trick. He’s so much better already…

“Don’t Look at the Pig” is now my second fave video. Really, this is why children should ride, to control your emotions and deal with a situation. Talk about building character! But actually, this video is so true: when faced with a terror, eyes forward and stay true to course!

Thank you xeroxchick for adding to my youtube channels! Anonymous Foxhunter rocks!

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“Don’t Look at the Pig” is now my second fave video. Really, this is why children should ride, to control your emotions and deal with a situation. Talk about building character! But actually, this video is so true: when faced with a terror, eyes forward and stay true to course![/QUOTE]

When afh was recounting the many “terrors” she’s encountered while riding, she mentioned some very loud canoers. That is the point when wine almost came out my nose :wink:

Hey, I wanted to watch these videos but I couldn’t get sound–even after I watched “how to get your speakers back”. Does the sound come with the subscription?

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Hey, I wanted to watch these videos but I couldn’t get sound–even after I watched “how to get your speakers back”. Does the sound come with the subscription?[/QUOTE]

Good evening, Hermein!

Thanks for your interest in the videos. Hmmm, this is the first time I have ever heard of anyone not being able to get the sound. You should be able to hear the videos just fine (even without “subscribing” to the YouTube channel). Can you get sound with other YouTube videos?

As you watch the video, at the bottom of the little video box that the video runs in, there is a volume control icon that looks like a bullhorn – you might check that, because it is possible that even if the sound is On for your computer, that the sound for the video is turned down (but I don’t think that’s something I control on this end). Please let me know if you can get it to work!

Anonymously yours,

#AFH

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When afh was recounting the many “terrors” she’s encountered while riding, she mentioned some very loud canoers. That is the point when wine almost came out my nose ;)[/QUOTE]

I’m glad I didn’t quite cause you to actually lose any precious wine, axl!

The canoes are a real anecdote . . . though the version I usually tell involves a rainy autumn day, all dressed up to get mud-splattered, soaking wet, hunting and galloping along the banks of a river in New England. Meanwhile, headed the other direction, out in the river, was a group of canoers. Or perhaps kayakers, as my eyes were wet from the rain or maybe tears from galloping in the wind, or both. People in little floating crafts to hold them up out of the water, getting soaked by precipitating water.

I turned to the rider beside me and remarked, “We think they’re crazy on a day like this, and they think we’re crazy on a day like this, but we’re all out doing what we love.”

#truth #quip #getoutside

Also, now I always keep a dry pair of underwear, pants, and a non-horsey towel in the trailer. Wet bum is tolerable in the field, but at the other end of a ninety minute drive home . . . well, the less said, the better. #rash #babypowder

Anonymously yours,

#AFH

AFH, “canoeing” and “kayaking” have a fine history here on CoTH. I think you (based upon the personality displayed in your videos) will enjoy what I believe is the debut thread: http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?359149-I-just-don-t-enjoy-canoeing-anymore

if you read a bit of that, you’ll understand why I almost spewed some precious wine :wink: