Another Cold USDF Finals!

I would add that Rancho Murieta in Nor-Cal has several indoor arenas. One Stadium arena (large enough to actually fit TWO courts in, or a Grand Prix jumping course), and three other indoor arenas, as well as MANY outdoor arenas.

And there are other facilities in California that could easily accomodate a show of this size. And are not freezing cold or horribly humid.

I do not believe the Finals should be in California every year - I believe USDF should HONOR its original promise of rotating the location. There are so many other, better options then KY.

ETA - I scribed yesterday at a show here in Nor-Cal - it was in the 50s when we started at 7:45 a.m., and our high was 72 - it was such gorgeous weather for riding :smiley:

[QUOTE=dressagegirl123;8932828]
She said that the musical rides had to be inside, and there are a lot of them.
One of my classes would be tomorrow morning, starting at 8. Outside, and it will be 30 degrees. :([/QUOTE]

The first level freestyle championships, both adult amateur and open, are outdoors in ring 3, as is the second level AA freestyle championship class. I wonder why the organizer said they had to be inside? I didn’t pay attention to ring locations last year, but the first level AA freestyle was outside in 2014 also. Yes, 30 degrees is too cold when we’re coming from a high of 82 today!

Yes! Let’s do it!!! Anywhere that isn’t so freakin cold!!!

[QUOTE=mjhco;8932514]
Fort Worth has multiple indoor arenas
Tulsa has multiple indoor arenas (hosts Arabian Horse Nationals with 2000 horses)
Oklahoma City has multiple indoor arenas
Denver (National Western Complex) has multiple indoor arenas.
Lincoln Nebraska Facility has multiple indoor arenas.[/QUOTE]

And IIRC all of those were considered by the search team.

I show Arabians, and I can honestly say the rotating facilities for a national show is a nightmare. A LOT of facilities absolutely don’t want to work with that, and would rather have an annual competition there. Scheduling Sporthorse Nationals has been incredibly difficult for this reason. It’s far easier for the facilities and the organizers to have a dedicated facility.

Second, there is not ONE National show that doesn’t take money to get to. Scottsdale or US Nationals? A 7k+ bill for the show isn’t unreasonable. Morgan Grand Nationals isn’t cheap either. I have no idea what Congress costs, but I don’t imagine it’s cheap. If you really want sticker shock, go over to the H/J forum and take a peek at what is being spent for Indoors. Is it sometimes possible to get there on a budget? Sure. But that takes a lot of work and sacrifice that not everyone is willing to make. The top levels of the sport aren’t open to everyone, whether it’s money, time, talent, dedication, or some combination of those factors. This is true of the top level of ANYTHING.

And I’m not saying this coming from a ton of money… I’m busting my butt with a talented but tricky horse that is far more talent than I’d ever be able to afford normally, but he was affordable because he is DIFFICULT. I was ecstatic that I was lucky enough to show twice this year. Last year, I showed once. Are there things I could do to end up showing more? Sure. But I’ll freely admit I just haven’t been dedicated enough to do them. Even if I DO do them, a National show, whether Arab or dressage, is just plain out of my reach. And that’s OK.

I agree with MyssMyst on a lot of her points. Obviously, no one time/location is going to please everyone. And keeping a location for at least several years helps everyone know what to expect (hotels, restaurants, travel, etc.), the facility and show management are more likely to make it profitable and well run.

Given that our country is huge, people are going to have to travel. A lot. I really feel for Californians - I think the Festival of Champions, given the smaller number of horses involved and the high number of elite riders in CA - should absolutely be held in California on occasion. But something like US Finals - which is more for the regionally competitive members than the elite level competitors (the mid-level trainers and riders are a very important group to give support to IMO), it makes sense to maximize the number of members who can attend.

Consider the number of USDF members who are within a 1 day drive to Lexington. I picked 800mi (around 12-15h) as a long, but doable, day’s drive. Here is an 800 mile radius around Lexington:
http://www.freemaptools.com/radius-around-point.htm?clat=38.040584&clng=-84.503716&r=1287.4752004917536&lc=FFFFFF&lw=1&fc=00FF00&mt=r

An 800 mile radius covers all of regions 1 and 2, all but the tip of region 3 (admittedly that tip includes Wellington). Regions 1, 2, 3 and 7 (California) are the 4 biggest regions (source: http://www.dressagedetective.com/reports/2013-us-dressage-show-activity). The 800 mile radius also covers the major population centers of region 4, and much of region 8 and 9. That’s 6 of the 9 USDF regions all or partially within an 800 mile drive. The 3 western regions are left out - 5, 6 and 7. (USDF region map: http://www.usdf.org/clubs/region_map.asp ).

By contrast, if you held it at the National Western in Denver:
http://www.freemaptools.com/radius-around-point.htm?clat=39.739236&clng=-104.990251&r=1287.4752004917536&lc=FFFFFF&lw=1&fc=00FF00&mt=r

You would be closer to California, but still not hit the west coast population centers within 800mi. You would have all of region 4 and 5, two of the least busy regions (I’ve lived in and loved both, but dressage epicenters they are not!), the less populated areas of 6 and 7 and 9.

And if you went all the way and held it in California,

If you held it in Rancho Murietta, CA: http://www.freemaptools.com/radius-around-point.htm?clat=38.501853&clng=-121.094667&r=1287.4752004917536&lc=FFFFFF&lw=1&fc=00FF00&mt=r

You have all of Region 6 and 7, and about half of region 5. You are also a very long way from the 3 other busiest regions outside of CA: 1, 2 and 3.

I’d love to see USDF level scholarships (paid for by ALL regions) for people from the west to help defray travel costs. Or maybe a derby type class on borrowed horses for people who are reserve or champ but can’t come for whatever reason? Brainstorming here…I know it’s not the same as competing head to head on your own horse, but is there some way we can include people who aren’t able to travel the distance?

[QUOTE=MyssMyst;8934437]
I show Arabians, and I can honestly say the rotating facilities for a national show is a nightmare. A LOT of facilities absolutely don’t want to work with that, and would rather have an annual competition there. Scheduling Sporthorse Nationals has been incredibly difficult for this reason. It’s far easier for the facilities and the organizers to have a dedicated facility.

Second, there is not ONE National show that doesn’t take money to get to. Scottsdale or US Nationals? A 7k+ bill for the show isn’t unreasonable. Morgan Grand Nationals isn’t cheap either. I have no idea what Congress costs, but I don’t imagine it’s cheap. If you really want sticker shock, go over to the H/J forum and take a peek at what is being spent for Indoors. Is it sometimes possible to get there on a budget? Sure. But that takes a lot of work and sacrifice that not everyone is willing to make. The top levels of the sport aren’t open to everyone, whether it’s money, time, talent, dedication, or some combination of those factors. This is true of the top level of ANYTHING.

And I’m not saying this coming from a ton of money… I’m busting my butt with a talented but tricky horse that is far more talent than I’d ever be able to afford normally, but he was affordable because he is DIFFICULT. I was ecstatic that I was lucky enough to show twice this year. Last year, I showed once. Are there things I could do to end up showing more? Sure. But I’ll freely admit I just haven’t been dedicated enough to do them. Even if I DO do them, a National show, whether Arab or dressage, is just plain out of my reach. And that’s OK.[/QUOTE]
Great points.

Also an Arabian person. Sport Horse Nationals rotates and no matter where it is there’s a huge group who complains about either the facility or the location.

I do believe it’s true that rotating huge shows can be quite difficult. facilities prefer consistent schedules. I know of too many shows that cannot even get a quote to return to a facility once they cycled off to a different venue. And I’m talking week long events, not one-offs.

Yes-WP Congress and Paint world are even worse- totally a rich sport. easily 6K with out a trainer.

A lot more trendy too which means that you can’t use the same outfit or saddle long term. More costs associated with the presentation. I have to just go with it when I talk to my friends, they are very excited about it.