Another group forms to stop slaughter!

[ASB_Stars]

@cutter99

If you think the average amateur owner should be snatching up kill pen horses, you are very wrong.

If you read my post about yours, you would know that I agree.

[cutter99]

I was busy replying to your previous post, and therefore did not see the most recent before posting, but thank you for your snark.

You are barking up the wrong tree!

[ASB_Stars]

Agreed.

[KBC]

@ASB_Stars

I can, but I thought that having you explain why you thought all of this could work just fine was more useful. Because you can’t.

What, the same is you can’t explain how to stop indiscriminate breeding…I put forward an out line, you asked I provided. Giving a way to put excess horses to some kind of use, instead of just wasting them should be in everyone’s interests long term.

Now give me an outline how your mandate that people who Bree’s horses should watch out for them for life, I can see no mechanism to make that work. Well I guess we could mandate that the only way you can own a stud is to have him licensed, he would have to prove himself worthy of passing on his genes, jail anyone who is found with an unlicensed entire male…that would sure cut down the numbers of foals out there.

As to the comment about backyard breeders? This isn’t raising a puppy or a kitten with your kids. Don’t breed if you aren’t prepared to deal with the outcome of that decision.

There is no none who would argue with that, now how do you make it happen? I’m sure my part of the world is not unique in seeing ads looking for a stallion to cover a nothing sort of mare, and the only quality the stud needs to possess is fertility. That is a big part of the over supply issue, the issue with unhandled or badly trained youngsters coming on the market when they grow out of the cute phase.

[candyappy]

@KBC

My idea would involve minimal transportation, to a local facility. Experienced horse people to unload and take the horse into the slaughter area, cleaned and evidence of last procedure gone. One captive bolt to the head, from trained operator, then blood let if needed, then the body goes to processing.

I agree 100% with this. I don’t see how any of this would be impossible to do.

How can you find fault with this @ASB_Stars? Or find it impossible?

[ASB_Stars]

@candyappy

How can you find fault with this @ASB_Stars? Or find it impossible?

Logistics and economics. See above.

[candyappy]

@skydy

The opinion of the general public in the U.S. is that horse slaughter should be illegal, and that’s why it is. The general public vastly outnumbers the horsey public, so I think that ship has sailed.

Actually it is the opinion of animal rights groups and bleeding hearts who have no idea that some horses ( sadly) get to a point that slaughter is their best option.

They have no idea that horses are abandoned or left to starve when their owners/ care takers find themselves in financial distress, or become mentally disabled , can’t handle them, horse is injured beyond repair or just up and leave them to fend for themselves…

All they see is the one side that is blasted on social media/ t.v. and they vote accordingly.

The majority of the supposed “horse people” on here oppose slaughter and I doubt it is due only to it being inhumane. Kill pens still exist despite slaughter here being banned. the only thing accomplished was making the end for the horses in it worse.

[ASB_Stars]

@candyappy

Actually it is the opinion of animal rights groups and bleeding hearts who have no idea that some horses ( sadly) get to a point that slaughter is their best option.

They have no idea that horses are abandoned or left to starve when their owners/ care takers find themselves in financial distress, or become mentally disabled , can’t handle them, horse is injured beyond repair or just up and leave them to fend for themselves…

All they see is the one side that is blasted on social media/ t.v. and they vote accordingly.

The majority of the supposed “horse people” on here oppose slaughter and I doubt it is due only to it being inhumane. Kill pens still exist despite slaughter here being banned. the only thing accomplished was making the end for the horses in it worse.

Euthanasia can be a BEST option, depending on how dire the circumstances are.

SLAUGHTER is never the best option.

[candyappy]

@ASB_Stars

Euthanasia can be a BEST option, depending on how dire the circumstances are.

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Never said it was the best option but it is a needed solution . Not every horse has the option to be euthanized by it’s owner. Not every owner will spend the money to euthanize and dispose either.

[cutter99]

@ASB_Stars

@candyappy

Actually it is the opinion of animal rights groups and bleeding hearts who have no idea that some horses ( sadly) get to a point that slaughter is their best option.

They have no idea that horses are abandoned or left to starve when their owners/ care takers find themselves in financial distress, or become mentally disabled , can’t handle them, horse is injured beyond repair or just up and leave them to fend for themselves…

All they see is the one side that is blasted on social media/ t.v. and they vote accordingly.

The majority of the supposed “horse people” on here oppose slaughter and I doubt it is due only to it being inhumane. Kill pens still exist despite slaughter here being banned. the only thing accomplished was making the end for the horses in it worse.

Euthanasia can be a BEST option, depending on how dire the circumstances are.

SLAUGHTER is never the best option.

You realize euthanasia costs money, as well as disposal, correct??? The average cost for euthanasia alone is over $400. Add disposal cost and you are easily looking at $1,000.

If an owner is strapped for cash enough that they must part company with a horse, why assume they have the money for euthanasia. Vets must get paid too.

While you might feel that slaughter is never the best option, you can only speak for yourself. Please do not presume to speak for others!

[ASB_Stars]

@cutter99

While you might feel that slaughter is never the best option, you can only speak for yourself. Please do not presume to speak for others!

I am speaking for myself- and, I’m not sure where you got the idea that I wasn’t.

[cutter99]

@ASB_Stars

@candyappy

Actually it is the opinion of animal rights groups and bleeding hearts who have no idea that some horses ( sadly) get to a point that slaughter is their best option.

They have no idea that horses are abandoned or left to starve when their owners/ care takers find themselves in financial distress, or become mentally disabled , can’t handle them, horse is injured beyond repair or just up and leave them to fend for themselves…

All they see is the one side that is blasted on social media/ t.v. and they vote accordingly.

The majority of the supposed “horse people” on here oppose slaughter and I doubt it is due only to it being inhumane. Kill pens still exist despite slaughter here being banned. the only thing accomplished was making the end for the horses in it worse.

Euthanasia can be a BEST option, depending on how dire the circumstances are.

SLAUGHTER is never the best option.

@ASB_Stars, what did you say right here? The last sentence? Isn’t that sentence declarative?

[ASB_Stars]

Do you think that slaughter is the best option- across the board, in all cases, without exception?

[cutter99]

I have not made any declarative statements one way or another. I am all about options, just like with human abortion!

[KBC]

@cutter99

I have not made any declarative statements one way or another. I am all about options, just like with human abortion!

Options indeed, the right to make the best choices from a set of carpy options.

[KBC]

@ASB_Stars

Do you think that slaughter is the best option- across the board, in all cases, without exception?

Did anyone say that? I must of missed it. There are always exceptions to everything, because rarely can you make blanket provisions. I think we are all saying that euthanasia is not always possible for a number of reasons, and it’s a waste of a resource. Can also argue that burying chemical filled carcasses is pollution, and burning them surely uses up resources.

[ASB_Stars]

So putting a horse into the slaughter pipeline becomes acceptable?

[KBC]

@ASB_Stars

So putting a horse into the slaughter pipeline becomes acceptable?

Well,I think I have been saying that all along, acceptable to slaughter a horse, current pipeline is unacceptable.

An old guy at our barn is going to take the walk behind a barn to face the bullet next week, before he goes down and can’t get up. I totally support his owners decision.

He would not be of value for his meat, as he is somewhat lacking in that department, but I can’t see that his end will be any better than a horse being dispatched by a captive bolt in a well run, well set up facility.

As you said up thread, horses are not pets, they inhabit a strange area between pet and livestock. They are big animals, expensive to keep, and can be hard to “dispose” of, when an owner dies, or runs out of cash, or whatever life throws at them.

[cutter99]

What makes slaughtering a horse different than slaughtering any other species?

[Laurierace]

I learned back in the early days of the internet that there were some arguments that can not be won as people are too firmly entrenched in their “side” to listen to the other side so there is no point in conversing about it at all. Horse slaughter is number one on that list for me so I won’t be joining in except to say I am still astonished by the amount of people who will fight to the proverbial death for their right to get a few bucks for their horse’s soon to be dead body.