Any explanation for my horses healing

[RAyers]

Never heal? No, that is not true. They do require more work due to the lack of musculature that enable contraction of the wound. Additionally, these wounds tend to develop proud flesh due to the lack of contraction. Because you had no other wound to compare to, e.g. a similar wound that was untreated, it appears to be a “miracle.” No, it would have healed whether she “woo wooed” it with fairy water or alien signals.

I use a combination of silver impregnated alginate during the initial healing to develop a scaffold for the epithelium to grow, then I switch to a nano-fiber 45S bioglass to finish the job. Both with a dash of panalog to prevent proud flesh.

[TheJenners]

Don’t worry, her question isn’t really a question. She just doesn’t like me, it’s a little game she plays. I believe it has a term, walrusing or something.

[Horse_inquirer]

you being unreasonably hateful. I have no hidden agenda i was just asking for others opinions there is no games just conversation. One that you are taking way out of proportion and mis labeling intent

[Scribbler]

I don’t think that comment referred to you. It was clearly directed at a woman.

[Horse_inquirer]

I am a woman

[TheJenners]

Sorry for the confusion, my comment wasn’t directed at you, if you follow my reply back to who I was speaking to, you can see who I’m referencing. And like @Scribbler I also thought you were a man because of this:

@Horse_inquirer

I’m a man of science and I cannot believe that these wounds were healed by “magic potion” what is y’all’s explanation for this

[Scribbler]

Oh that’s very odd.

Generally if you identify as a man, people will use the male pronoun to refer to you. No one can guess that a brand new poster who identifies as a man actually identifies as a woman. And if you were trans, or even just adopting a blurred online persona, we would respect your pronoun of choice.

So if you say you are a man, and someone refers to a she or her, it’s a pretty good bet they mean someone else not you.

[Horse_inquirer]

I’m not wanting to get into the politics of being gender fluid on here just know I go by both pronouns and labels just a simple misunderstanding

[Scribbler]

That’s fine, but how would we know that? If you say you’re a man, we won’t refer to you as “she” unless you tell us you are gender fluid. All I meant was the comment that upset you was not aimed at you.

[candyappy]

There are several good proud flesh treatments out there. They work no matter where the wound is. The problem people have with it not healing sometimes is that they are not tending to the proud flesh often enough. No miracle here.

[Pippigirl]

This…trying to hook people to buy the “magic potion”

[SuzieQNutter]

@candyappy

There are several good proud flesh treatments out there. They work no matter where the wound is. The problem people have with it not healing sometimes is that they are not tending to the proud flesh often enough. No miracle here.

And you have to remember to stop using and change to a different product before it eats too far. That is why I like the debrisol. You use it on all wounds.

[JB]

Animax/Panalog are other ointments you can use longer-term than just taking care of more mild cases of proud flesh. They aren’t all caustic and indifferent to healthy vs unhealthy tissue.

[vxf111]

Little did you know that at the same time I was sending magic vibrations across time and space to the wound. So clearly that is what healed the wound, not the shaman

[Ghazzu]

@Horse_inquirer

No I’m just trying to figure out the science of this

Yet you provide not even the minimum amount of data necessary to even formulate any sort of rational explanation.
Get back to us with the recipe, and mayhap we can propose some mechanism of action.

[Horse_Rider]

Six months and it’s still healing? That oil is likely doing nothing. Given a proper plane of nutrition and treatment for infection, yes, I would expect most wounds to close up within 6 months, even if there’s infection or proud flesh at the start.

If I was going to attribute anything to “oils,” it would be that a lot of them are actually irritants and should not be put on open wounds or mucus membranes unless you want to scorch a layer off. Tea tree oil is a prime example of a product people think is all natural and magical, but it can be extremely irritating, especially in high concentrations. That might help if there was proud flesh to treat. Still, there are far better treatments than mystery oils and I would caution against letting anyone put essential oils on a horse, especially one other people handle, which might expose multiple people to these ingredients. It is amazing how many people are allergic to various essential oils. If it is the oil “helping” reduce the proud flesh, I would stop using it, because something that works on proud flesh will not be good choice for healthy tissue once the proud flesh is resolved. You have two totally different processes. Treating proud flesh requires destruction. Closing a wound requires healing. The oils might be why it’s still open at 6 months and a little benign neglect or a moisturizing layer (honey, etc.) might be what it actually needs.

I think what we have here is a failure to understand the “science.” It is not impossible to treat proud flesh or scar tissue. It does not take multiple surgeries in many, if not most cases. Wounds over high motion areas heal all the time. In fact, they almost ALWAYS heal without resorting to any of the above. They are just slow and require patience and care. The last proud flesh case I treated over a joint resolved with daily steroid cream for a week and from there it resolved via benign neglect (and not letting dirt get in there.)

Honestly, I’m very perplexed that your vet thought these wouldn’t heal and you should just accept an open wound. Either there’s been a misunderstanding on how far the rescue is willing to go or your vet is uninterested in doing anything further. A non-healing wound is either a sign of continued infection, a foreign object, or a call for further action. Horses live on dirt - it will eventually get infected again. I mean, punch biopsy skin grafts are lots of fun and easy! Any vet who’s not excited about that is missing out! I’ve got friends working with leeches. Friends using tilapia skins. There are so many fascinating options for closing ugly wounds. Yes, if you have exhausted the available options, this would be a very different conversation, but to just tell you to expect it not to heal and walk away from it? Odd.

Just as a note: that joint is not “basically the wrist” - the “wrist” of a horse is what we call the “knee.”

Also, I know two bonafide shamans who went off and studied for 5 years in one case and 7 in the other. Neither one uses essential oils. In 2020, when I hear “essential oils” and someone tells me they’re putting them on living tissue, I run away. Essential oils should be handled with care and are not for “potions.” I do not know of a shamanic practice that uses them. I do know lots of twenty-something-year-olds in MLMs think they cure cancer.