Any GM comments on 1st Team Round?

[QUOTE=MHM;6482924]
It is the nature of competition that there will be one winning rider or team, and everybody else will be wondering what they need to do differently to win the next time. At the last two Olympics, it was our turn to enjoy the view from the top of the podium. This time it was the Brits’ turn. Congrats to them!

Our team was what, within one rail of a medal at the start of the last round? That’s not exactly a terrible thing, to be in contention with the best in the world.

And good luck to all in the individual competition, especially Rich and McLain.

I, too, would love to know how many of the vocal critics have stood on the podium to get an Olympic medal. Of any color, not just gold. ;)[/QUOTE]

One does not have to be an Olympic medal winner to be a critic. Equestrian team sport is no different than any other team sport in that you win you get the cheers, you loose and you get to deal with critics.

While it is certainly worthwhile to look at the way the other countries select their teams and compare our systems to theirs, it is also important to remember that three of the historically strongest systems did not make it to the second round. We can continue to say why can’t we be more like the (fill in the blank), but let’s look at their results as well. Not winning a medal is not a good thing at all, but it happens to everyone at some point. No horse, no rider, no country wins all of the time. Getting a team medal three out of the last four Olympic games does not feel great this year, but look at the larger picture.

As far as suggesting fixes, the list is quite long.

Much of which has been discussed at length on this bb over the years. A lot has to do with USEF and USHJA organizations, their committee makeup, attitude towards rule enforcement, licensing programs, lack of proper stewardship, etc.

Most US shows have been dumbed down. Why should a Grand Prix rider have to go to Europe to get the competitive/course experience? Why don’t US show organizers have venues and create courses like Spruce or the Europeans?

The selection process has to change. We over jump our horses in the process and it is all too close to the Olympics which does not leave time for training and prep.
If the objective method works for gymnasts, runners, swimmers, and all other sports shouldn’t it work for the US Equestrian Team? Is the argument that it does not legit? Perhaps the process should be purely subjective as it was years ago and damn the political correctness.

Regardless, if you qualify or are selected for the team then you agree to spend three months (or whatever is deemed appropriate) in intensive training/preparation with the team chef. You can’t do that, then you are not on the team and another horse/rider combo is selected.

Andy.smaga -

Thanks for answering a question that has been bothering me since we switched to selection trials. I much prefer seeing our horse coming to the games by way of competition. I have no George Morris complaints or complaints on who got in.

G.M. has spent the majority of his life working hard to improve riders in the U. S… He is only 1 person. Breeders,trainers and riders have to take responsibility to improve the riders in the U.S. I feel that the level of expectation has been lowered not raised. I see riders how blame everyone except themselves when they don’t win . Maybe it’s because they don’t have the dedication and the “heart” to become a top level rider. Blaming G.M. for the results is wrong thinking. He has given his all for this sport. He only has so much input and say. Also remember that G.M. has been battling health problems. Ridland has had a say in this year’s selection.

[QUOTE=vineyridge;6482724]
We didn’t get an invitation to Aachen this year because of being dropped from the Super League. Did any of our riders show there, because most of the Olympic competition did? All of the Europeans continued to show right up to the day the Olympics started, IIRC.[/QUOTE]
Two of our riders did get an invitation, showed at Aachen and had very good results. But neither rider was on our team in London.

It is not really a team USA effort for our Olympic Equestrian events. If it was the best riders would get the best horses and the best training funded by the USA.

Why isn’t WEF, Hampton Classic, Devon etc. set at 1.6 m? I was under the impression, at least when I was showing more, that if you wanted to jump International heights in the GP you went to WEF, national to HITS Ocala. Are they dumbing down WEF and the major shows? Is that why there can be 70 in the GP which were were some weeks last year?

If so, that’s an easy fix and we can provide experience over big and challenging tracks domestically. Tell the course designers to ramp it up, literally.

Teams need experience jumping big, complicated tracks. I believe that jumping fewer weekends of harder courses on top horses would be a great benefit for our teams. They all have other horses so they will still have plenty of jumping efforts to practice at lower heights.

If we could recreate an Americas version of the Super League over here, we would make things easier for our horses. Those travel miles back and forth over the Atlantic can’t be easy and puts our horses at a disadvantage at those competitions unless they go super early – and most pros can’t afford to take that much time away from home. A European tour is a lot more daunting and expensive a commitment for US riders than, of course, Europeans. Not just the expense but the opportunity costs of lost work at home. No one can afford to do that without a trust fund (or the sponsor equivalent).

We can’t expect a kid who is jumping the highest she has ever jumped to do any better than Reed did, in fact it is a testament to her talent she did as well as she did. I find it hard to believe we sent someone over there who had never jumped that high in competition before. I hope that was exaggeration by the press. If not, it was unfair to her. We need to set some Olympic-sized courses here so our team members can practice. I’d imagine the Europeans get to jump this big at Aachen, etc.

The gymnasts sure weren’t doing new flips they’d never landed at home for the first time at the Olympics. There is no reason why we should be either.

[QUOTE=fordtraktor;6484339]
I find it hard to believe we sent someone over there who had never jumped that high in competition before. I hope that was exaggeration by the press. If not, it was unfair to her. [/QUOTE]

I think that according to the rules, she could not show at the 1.60 height until this year due to her age. So she was showing at that height since the start of this show year.

That doesn’t mean she didn’t school over that size at home, or show in the 1.50/1.55 for quite a while.

[QUOTE=Canterwell;6482463]
Laurie - I think the"old way" of selecting that you describe sounds better. I was still in the UK when that was being done, but the way you describe it - a year long process - is preferable, IMHO, than what transpired this spring. The USA horses are fit - no question about that - but they did not have the edge of brilliance that I have seen previously, e.g. Antares at Devon.

The GB horses had a spring and energy about them from the moment they entered the ring. Does anyone know what their selection schedule looked like, and run-up to Greenwich?[/QUOTE]

I haven’t been able to see the horses in person and don’t know Cylana that well, although I was able to see the video of a couple rounds of selection trials. She seems not to have that extra gear or extra set of springs. While she seemed like a safe Olympic “starter” horse, maybe not a horse for all ages? Was she a teensy scoped out? Or just tired?

i love that three of the four gold medal team from GB spent their winter competing… in the US at our premiere winter shows.

[QUOTE=MrsFitzDarcy&Feliks;6484632]
she seemed like a safe Olympic “starter” horse[/QUOTE]

:confused:

i love that three of the four gold medal team from GB spent their winter competing… in the US at our premiere winter shows.

Yep, saw that quote from Nick Skelton in the COTH coverage - he mentioned the footing and arena at Wellington provided a setting that was quite proximate to London.

A hearty congrats to you Brits for your wonderful success in dressage and showjumping. You all must be very chuffed. :wink:

Some of you people really amaze me…

GM cannot predict how every single Olympic horse is going to act or if they are going to go clear…You all should know this just by competing your own horses in shows, you never know what is going to happen. That is the joy of horse competitions. Everyone makes mistakes, sometimes horse, sometimes rider!

These riders are jumping around 1.60m which is about 5’3’’ tall jumps with oxers spread wider than you can stretch your arms out and the whole world watching! They make it look so easy because they are GOOD at it! In every sport, the best of the best make it look easy, but its NOT! It is easy for people to sit on their couch and critique others but way different when you are actually in the spotlight. I think we had an excellent team with a very good showing at the Olympics, you can’t win them all. Our team practiced and was certainly prepared. I am so proud of them!

[QUOTE=MHM;6484494]
I think that according to the rules, she could not show at the 1.60 height until this year due to her age. So she was showing at that height since the start of this show year.

That doesn’t mean she didn’t school over that size at home, or show in the 1.50/1.55 for quite a while.[/QUOTE]
Reeds been showing at the 1.50/1.55 height since she was of age too (16 I believe). She spent the whole summer and most of fall in Europe showing at some pretty big shows, anything she was eligible to do she did. They did that specifically to get her ready for an olympic bid this year. You’re right, she started showing at the 1.60 height in January.
I think Reed was as ready as she could’ve been for London. And giving the amount of time she’s spent showing 1.60 I think she did a real good job! Better then I would’ve! :lol:

[QUOTE=HorseLuvr;6485049]
Some of you people really amaze me…

GM cannot predict how every single Olympic horse is going to act or if they are going to go clear…You all should know this just by competing your own horses in shows, you never know what is going to happen. That is the joy of horse competitions. Everyone makes mistakes, sometimes horse, sometimes rider!

These riders are jumping around 1.60m which is about 5’3’’ tall jumps with oxers spread wider than you can stretch your arms out and the whole world watching! They make it look so easy because they are GOOD at it! In every sport, the best of the best make it look easy, but its NOT! It is easy for people to sit on their couch and critique others but way different when you are actually in the spotlight. I think we had an excellent team with a very good showing at the Olympics, you can’t win them all. Our team practiced and was certainly prepared. I am so proud of them![/QUOTE]

Ditto!!!

[QUOTE=Rel6;6483165]
Straight from GM’s mouth: http://www.discoverhorses.com/events/2012-olympic-games/nancy-jaffer-reports-great-britains-show-jumpers-give-their-fans-the-gift-of-gold/

“There has to be much more commitment at this level. A country has to make a commitment to riding at a standard,” he said, noting “most of our resources are spent in the hunter division, the equitation division, the adult hunter division. This has to be a big priority for the country.
“We have to produce horsemen, not jut cosmetic fake horsemen.” He noted that this observation isn’t just about show jumping, it also applies to eventing and dressage.”[/QUOTE]

Amen GM!!!

Additionally we absolutely have to support this countries breeders and developers, regardless of discipline.

Remember back in the day when we used to beat the pants off everyone with our own horses, when the best horses made it into the hands of the best riders in this country.

I thought this comment in an article about GB winning team old was interesting:

Two years ago, Great Britain were at such a low ebb that they only avoided relegation from the top league of showjumping’s Nations Cup in February 2010 on a legal technicality.
That resulted in the sacking of coach Derek Ricketts and his replacement by Dutchman Rob Hoekstra, who has spent two years plotting the path to Monday’s incredible triumph.

They call the 2 men “coach” but the pro’s in England are like our pro’s in that they all train at home and have their own horses and own system for bringing their horses to peak levels, so there is no centralized coach, a la Bert deNemethy. Yet it appears that a major component of today’s gold medal was the change at the top.