Anyone REGRET getting a 2+1?

[TheJenners]

I have a 2h straight load with rear ramp and “room” in the front, plus a dressing room. I could, in an emergency, get both horses in and then throw the donkeys in through the side door or in the tack room… I’ve hauled with a horse and a donkey before and the donkey spent the whole trip under the horse, which was nerve wracking watching in the trailer camera, but at least I know I could if I needed.

A side ramp would be lovely. And I see it only adding, what, maybe four feet to my New Yorker? Not that bad. Of course, I also never use it :lol: It is loaned out a lot though, to a PCer mostly but also one time to pick up a motorcycle and another time to go nearly across the state to pick up a rescue mini mule.

[DMK]

@eqsiu

Some manufacturers make 2 horse straight loads with front ramps and dressing rooms. Not quite as roomy as DMK’s setup but may be easier to find.

when I was researching to buy my trailer, I noticed just about every manufacturer is making a 2H BP with the DR on a slant wall and a side ramp, which I think adds considerably less than the 50+" for most ramps.

[winter]

I’ve been looking close to me and have seen both cimarron and sundowner make 2H BP with side ramp and dressing room. I think they’re both around 18’ long and 6’9"wide.
SD has the dressing room on a slant wall with the ramp on one side, dressing room door on the other. Cimarron has straight across font wall but dressing room door in the nose.
I have yet to go look at both trailers in person, just photos on the dealers websites. Both are over 30k! ( I live in Canada, we get raped on trailers manufactured in the US)

[soloudinhere]

@winter

I’ve been looking close to me and have seen both cimarron and sundowner make 2H BP with side ramp and dressing room. I think they’re both around 18’ long and 6’9"wide.
SD has the dressing room on a slant wall with the ramp on one side, dressing room door on the other. Cimarron has straight across font wall but dressing room door in the nose.
I have yet to go look at both trailers in person, just photos on the dealers websites. Both are over 30k! ( I live in Canada, we get raped on trailers manufactured in the US)

1. Rape is sexual assault, not you paying more than you think you should have to for something. Offensive.

2. These bumper pulls with the front ramps are tough to tow because the weight is further back from the tongue, and often removing the horse on the drivers side while leaving the other in place is not possible, which is one of the chief advantages of a real 2+1.

[TheJenners]

1. It is a common phrase, I’m tired of PC-Nazis (see, I used another one)

2. Can you explain? I know ramps usually weight a couple hundred pounds right? I just don’t see how it can have that much effect on a ~3500 trailer, but I’m willing to be wrong :yes:

[soloudinhere]

@TheJenners

1. It is a common phrase, I’m tired of PC-Nazis (see, I used another one)

2. Can you explain? I know ramps usually weight a couple hundred pounds right? I just don’t see how it can have that much effect on a ~3500 trailer, but I’m willing to be wrong :yes:

1. it should’t be a common phrase because it makes light of a very serious problem that I doubt you would find appropriate if it had happened to you. He who mentions Hitler first, loses, on the other point.

2. The longer the trailer gets, with the horse’s weight further back from the tongue, the more difficult the trailer gets to tow and the longer the wheelbase of the truck required to control it. This trailer layout puts the axles under the horse’s weight which are many feet back from the tongue and the trailer is much more likely to sway.

[DMK]

I disagree, trailers like mine are far more likely to put the horse’s mass centered directly over the axles which is the best possible place to have all the weight. My last 2 trailers have been 2HBP w/DR (Sundowner 777 WB size and before that a Trail Et New Yorker) and I admit, I was a bit concerned about the length of my trailer and towing. Hah! it pulls BETTER than the other ones! And I’m not pulling it locally either. So far it has been from ATL to Ocala 4 times and to SoPi 1 time, and every damn time I have been driving through some impressive spring winds… as well as around 5,983,890 semis and RVs for the FL trips.

Now if the trailer was long and the weight was behind the axles, then you would be correct. Mine is actually based on the floor plan of a 3H slant, and in that configuration if, for instance, you were to put the ponies in the front 2 stalls and the WB in the back stall then you are in for a bad ride.

[TheJenners]

Godwins Law doesn’t say loses, just says it will eventually be brought up. I just hearken after the days when adults didn’t feel the need to correct other adults.

[winter]

@soloudinhere

2. These bumper pulls with the front ramps are tough to tow because the weight is further back from the tongue, and often removing the horse on the drivers side while leaving the other in place is not possible, which is one of the chief advantages of a real 2+1.

Not true, you can take both horses out backwards or forwards, which is an advantage. I have done it on a friend’s trailer that has the front ramp configuration.

And DMK is right on the axle to weight distribution.

[soloudinhere]

@winter

Not true, you can take both horses out backwards or forwards, which is an advantage. I have done it on a friend’s trailer that has the front ramp configuration.

And DMK is right on the axle to weight distribution.

Depends on the trailer. None work if you have a head divider in place as it obstructs the ramp opening on a trailer 18’ long. The math doesn’t work any other way. Unless you’re planning on taking it down or shoving It in the other horse’s face.

the hawk model with the angled dressing room it is NOT possible to take the driver’s side horse out while a horse is on the passenger side. Their head is in the way of the ramp.

i looked at dozens of these before buying my actual 2+1 because the design doesn’t work the way it’s supposed to if you make the trailer too short. And had several dealers caution me on buying a super long bumper pull for stability reasons.