AQHA sets a stellar example of a double standard re: Black Forest horses

The AQHA has proudly announced that Sherri Brunzell has been banned from the AQHA and all activities and shows related to it because, Pursuant to AQHA Rule VIO200 no person shall treat any horse in a cruel or inhumane manner.

Part of AQHA’s mission statement addresses that the American Quarter Horse shall be treated humanely, with dignity, respect and compassion at all times.

http://www.aqha.com/News/News-Articles/2014/September/09242014-AQHA-Takes-Action-On-Colorado-Springs-Case.aspx

Interesting that if Sherri had merely fattened those horses up and sent them to slaughter, none of the above rules would have applied, even if the rig they were traveling on crashed and the horses were injured.

How can anyone belong to, or even respect an organization that blatantly has such a glaring double standard?

I just don’t even know what to say… :no:

I hear what you are saying, but I can only applaud when an organization makes a good call. Regardless of their low standards and ignoring their motivations (which I don’t know), the AQHA did the right thing in this case.

[QUOTE=jenm;7776047]
The AQHA has proudly announced that Sherri Brunzell has been banned from the AQHA and all activities and shows related to it because, Pursuant to AQHA Rule VIO200 no person shall treat any horse in a cruel or inhumane manner.

Part of AQHA’s mission statement addresses that the American Quarter Horse shall be treated humanely, with dignity, respect and compassion at all times.

http://www.aqha.com/News/News-Articles/2014/September/09242014-AQHA-Takes-Action-On-Colorado-Springs-Case.aspx

Interesting that if Sherri had merely fattened those horses up and sent them to slaughter, none of the above rules would have applied, even if the rig they were traveling on crashed and the horses were injured.

How can anyone belong to, or even respect an organization that blatantly has such a glaring double standard?

I just don’t even know what to say… :no:[/QUOTE]

Uhu?

i just don’t even know what to say either … about what your problem is here?

What does one has to do with the other?

The AQHA doesn’t has any rules about fattening horses, so they would not rule on that.
The AQHA, if you read the article you linked to, does has rules about abuse.

I think that, in the eyes of animal rights extremists and their folowers, the AQHA can’t do anything right, that I know.
Why?
The AQHA is a registry of a domestic horse breed.
Animal rights extremists are all for eliminating domestic animals.

May ought to go find some other to bash the AQHA.
They were doing the right thing in the eyes of anyone that truly cares for horses.

Yeah, I don’t understand the problem here. Horses are in a horrific situation. AQHA bans the person responsible. Would you rather they have not banned her?

[QUOTE=PeteyPie;7776058]
I hear what you are saying, but I can only applaud when an organization makes a good call. Regardless of their low standards and ignoring their motivations (which I don’t know), the AQHA did the right thing in this case.[/QUOTE]

I’m not saying they didn’t do the right thing, I’m merely pointing out how interesting it is that they aren’t fighting for the same high standards of treatment of horses when breeders cull their herds, ranchers dump their working horses and any other of the numerous examples of QH’s being thrown away.

[QUOTE=Bluey;7776063]Uhu?

i just don’t even know what to say either … about what your problem is here?

What does one has to do with the other?

The AQHA doesn’t has any rules about fattening horses, so they would not rule on that.
The AQHA, if you read the article you linked to, does has rules about abuse.

I think that, in the eyes of animal rights extremists and their folowers, the AQHA can’t do anything right, that I know.
Why?
The AQHA is a registry of a domestic horse breed.
Animal rights extremists are all for eliminating domestic animals.

May ought to go find some other to bash the AQHA.
They were doing the right thing in the eyes of anyone that truly cares for horses.[/QUOTE]

Apparently I need to break this down into something simple to understand:

The AQHA supports slaughter.

The breed most sent to slaughter without fail is the AQHA.

It’s been proven ad infinitum that not only is slaughter in Canada and Mexico extremely inhumane, the transport of the horses to said destinations is as well.

Low end auction houses have been proven to show less than humane conditions for horses, many of which are…wait for it…Quarter Horses.

So, we do some math and add this all up and what do we get:

The AQHA doesn’t give a sh$t about the Quarter Horses conveniently thrown away to slaughter, yet wants to wave their high and mighty flag while proudly stating:

Part of AQHA’s mission statement addresses that the American Quarter Horse shall be treated humanely, with dignity, respect and compassion at all times.

If that statement is true, why does it only apply to Quarter Horses who are not slaughter bound?

Again, I’m NOT saying they didn’t do the right thing by banning this person, I just find it interesting and irritating that their mission statement doesn’t apply to AQH’s that are no longer needed.

But hey, thanks for playing and showing you support the AQHA’s double standard. :yes:

[QUOTE=jenm;7776079]

Apparently I need to break this down into something simple to understand:

The AQHA supports slaughter.

The breed most sent to slaughter without fail is the AQHA.

That is what happens when you are the largest breed by a long shot

It’s been proven ad infinitum that not only is slaughter in Canada and Mexico extremely inhumane, the transport of the horses to said destinations is as well.

Low end auction houses have been proven to show less than humane conditions for horses, many of which are…wait for it…Quarter Horses.

Proven to the RARAs maybe. I have yet to see proof. Once again, largest breed.

So, we do some math and add this all up and what do we get:

The AQHA doesn’t give a sh$t about the Quarter Horses conveniently thrown away to slaughter, yet wants to wave their high and mighty flag while proudly stating:

Part of AQHA’s mission statement addresses that the American Quarter Horse shall be treated humanely, with dignity, respect and compassion at all times.

If that statement is true, why does it only apply to Quarter Horses who are not slaughter bound?

Again, I’m NOT saying they didn’t do the right thing by banning this person, I just find it interesting and irritating that their mission statement doesn’t apply to AQH’s that are no longer needed.

But hey, thanks for playing and showing you support the AQHA’s double standard. :yes:[/QUOTE]

Slaughter, and transportation to slaughter are not illegal. Abuse is illegal. No double standard here. Only the RARAs trying to control everybody else.

[QUOTE=jenm;7776079]
I’m not saying they didn’t do the right thing, I’m merely pointing out how interesting it is that they aren’t fighting for the same high standards of treatment of horses when breeders cull their herds, ranchers dump their working horses and any other of the numerous examples of QH’s being thrown away.

Apparently I need to break this down into something simple to understand:

The AQHA supports slaughter.

The breed most sent to slaughter without fail is the AQHA.

It’s been proven ad infinitum that not only is slaughter in Canada and Mexico extremely inhumane, the transport of the horses to said destinations is as well.

Low end auction houses have been proven to show less than humane conditions for horses, many of which are…wait for it…Quarter Horses.

So, we do some math and add this all up and what do we get:

The AQHA doesn’t give a sh$t about the Quarter Horses conveniently thrown away to slaughter, yet wants to wave their high and mighty flag while proudly stating:

Part of AQHA’s mission statement addresses that the American Quarter Horse shall be treated humanely, with dignity, respect and compassion at all times.

If that statement is true, why does it only apply to Quarter Horses who are not slaughter bound?

Again, I’m NOT saying they didn’t do the right thing by banning this person, I just find it interesting and irritating that their mission statement doesn’t apply to AQH’s that are no longer needed.

But hey, thanks for playing and showing you support the AQHA’s double standard. :yes:[/QUOTE]

Apparently, I need to break this down into something simple to understand:

I was in the AQHA office a few days ago.
There are fliers there with all kinds of topics, four I counted alone about being a responsible horse owner, a responsible horse breeder and such.

No, the AQHA doesn’t support slaughter.
As of now, they know that slaughter is like so much else we do, one more process to obtain some renewable, natural resources, here from dead horses.
Slaughter is inherently neutral, as good or bad as it is implemented.

The AQHA knows that how people may decide about slaughter is a personal decision each one has to make for themselves.

The AQHA, as did 200 other associations, did fight in 2007 slaughter bill animal rights extremist pushed, that was just one more try at stopping all animal uses, bringing thru that bill regulations that would have harmed the horse industry in general.
The AQHA and all those others against that bill were not for or against slaughter itself, they were against that one specific bill.

If and when another bill may come to vote that is what is needed for the WELFARE of horses, not pushing ANIMAL RIGHTS agendas, that may be a different situation.
That is where so much of the hatred by those pushing animal rights extremist agendas come from, as here, the AQHA is for ANIMAL WELFARE, not ANIMAL RIGHTS AGENDAS.
Some people can see that important difference.

The AQHA does fight animal rights extremist agendas trying to eliminate all uses of animals.
Just as anyone else with any sense, that sees what animal rights extremists are after.

Time to bring the slaughter topic back, right?
Christmas is the home run for non-profits, now we will be getting all kinds of “causes of the moment” to the front, so people are reminded to donate to the cause!

The double standard here is that of those that have animals and still support animal rights extremist groups, that are after the “elimination of all animals in human hands and none to soon for me!”

Even from a very non-RARA standpoint, I can see what OP is saying. AQHA may not tacitly support slaughter, but they, IMO, do support several ideologies that make slaughter an attractive pipeline. High volume breeding, futurity programs that can stress youngsters before they are mature, many horses bred for halter that may not hold up for a performance future; nothing that is truly abusive, but questionably not in the best interest of the horses.

I know no breed association is perfect, as a die-hard Thoroughbred fan, there is a lot of improvement to be made across the board (racing young, breeding for speed not soundness, etc). I believe the AQHA did the right thing banning this woman, and it is a step in the right direction, but I think they could put horse WELFARE a little higher overall on their agenda.

The AQHA did the right thing here. There is a huge difference between slaughter and neglecting your horses to the point that they starve to death.

There are so many QH’s sent to slaughter in part because there are just so many of them. They make up 60% of the total registered horses in the United States. I would imagine that the same statistic holds true in the slaughterhouse pipeline.

I don’t buy that their programs encourage overbreeding, what I think it is is that the AQHA unlike most other breed organizations does a really wonderful job supporting it’s members. There are SO many things to do with a quarter horse. I think it contributes to the popularity of the quarter horse in a very positive way. Their memberships have increased in accord with the number of breedings (here are 2014’s stats) The stats can be found here http://www.aqha.com/About/Content-Pages/About-the-Association/AQHA-Annual-Report.aspx

Could they do more to prevent it. Sure. So could the AHSA (which I am also a member of) a significant number of whose horses go into the Amish and slaughter pipeline (considering they only registered 1,000 foals this year this is a huge statistic).

Do we want to see our sport expand? Or do we want to see it contract? We’re losing racetracks, we’re losing shows, we’re losing land. That will ensure that we lose our horse sports. I think we need to find alternatives to stopping breeding to help reduce the slaughterhouse numbers.

It’s not the AQHA’s job to investigate and police the horse world. They don’t have the staff or budget to do so. It was brought to their attention that a member was convicted, and they suspended that member according to their rules and regulations. They have limited jurisdiction, and no police or legal powers.

Proven where? Through PETA videos on YouTube?

If you are so strongly against equine slaughter, what do you say about cattle slaughter? Pigs? Buffalo? Lambs?

Do you wear shoes that contain leather? Maybe a car that has leather seats?

Do you eat hamburgers? Bacon? Turkey at Thanksgiving?

Chicken noodle soup?

Horse slaughter is not illegal. Horses started off (historically) as livestock and now some people consider them “pets” instead. I don’t like horse slaughter either and my horses will never get sent there, but there are way too many idiots in this country who either breed horses when they have no business doing so, or own horses when they shouldn’t. It is a necessary evil of our society and we saw the havoc it wrecked when slaughter got shut down. Abandoned and starving horses were all over the place because there wasn’t an oulet for them. What really is more cruel? The horse getting slaughtered? Or the owner dropping them off in the parking lot of a sale barn and leaving them, because they can’t afford to put them down and they can’t afford hay? (Or because they are an idiot.)

You can’t stop idiots from owning horses. Therefore slaughter is necessary.

I find it interesting that it’s okay to shut down the “cruel” equine slaughter plants but yet it’s okay that now the horse’s are shipped to Mexico where they are stabbed in the back during slaughter.

It is your opinion to be against horse slaughter and it is your right to have that opinion. However, it would be wrong for the AQHA to force an opinion on it’s members.

Slaughter and animal abuse (in this case, starvation) are two completely separate things. It is in no way a double standard.

Two different issues here. Glad they banned the owner.

On a side note…IMO AQHA should change the standards for showing halter horses…those poor too fat on too small feet qhs become crippled too soon. Funny that Miss America is supposed to be thin…yet halter has are grossly fat. Halter horses rarely are performance horses, they just don’t hold up and the fat/muscle impedes movement. That to me is cruel too.

I do agree with the Halter change. I think they are trying to do performance halter and phase straight up halter out. I think that’d be very good.

[QUOTE=jenm;7776079]
I’m not saying they didn’t do the right thing, I’m merely pointing out how interesting it is that they aren’t fighting for the same high standards of treatment of horses when breeders cull their herds, ranchers dump their working horses and any other of the numerous examples of QH’s being thrown away.

Apparently I need to break this down into something simple to understand:

The AQHA supports slaughter.

The breed most sent to slaughter without fail is the AQHA.

It’s been proven ad infinitum that not only is slaughter in Canada and Mexico extremely inhumane, the transport of the horses to said destinations is as well.

Low end auction houses have been proven to show less than humane conditions for horses, many of which are…wait for it…Quarter Horses.

So, we do some math and add this all up and what do we get:

The AQHA doesn’t give a sh$t about the Quarter Horses conveniently thrown away to slaughter, yet wants to wave their high and mighty flag while proudly stating:

Part of AQHA’s mission statement addresses that the American Quarter Horse shall be treated humanely, with dignity, respect and compassion at all times.

If that statement is true, why does it only apply to Quarter Horses who are not slaughter bound?

Again, I’m NOT saying they didn’t do the right thing by banning this person, I just find it interesting and irritating that their mission statement doesn’t apply to AQH’s that are no longer needed.

But hey, thanks for playing and showing you support the AQHA’s double standard. :yes:[/QUOTE]

THe AQHA is financially reliant on getting a large number of registrations, which means producing a bunch of horses, and showing them at young ages (which can shorten their useful life due to unsoundness). Slaughter allows them to get rid of those horses. So they support it. Plus they are able to remain “an arm’s length away” from any slaughter transactions so they can pretend to have horse welfare in mind and say they don’t really support it, just that they aren’t against it.
The AQHA has never had horse welfare in mind. It’s always about the money. That’s why it has taken so long to take ANY action on horse welfare issues like HYPP and Herda. Banning slaughter would hurt their bottom line. Banning the individual in the OP, gives positive press and doesn’t effect their bottom line.
But if you expect them to do something that woud be “right” for the horses and hurt their profit, you might as well piss into the wind.

Sorry jetsmom, I just don’t believe that the AQHA is that evil of a money-grubbing organization.

Did they wait awhile on the HYPP thing? Yes. But I suspect it was more about trying to figure out how to deal with it from a membership perspective rather than actual disregard for the horse.

Showing them in the longe classes…well, it’s debatable whether that’s horrible or not. A young QH is very different than a young WB. Showing them as young horses under saddle? Well - the USEF is doing that too - as well as the USDF (There are 4 and 5 year old championships). So really, we’d have to shoot at all equine registries and organizations. I mean, for heaven’s sakes the Jockey Club races 2 year olds on turf.

[QUOTE=OneGrayPony;7776647]
Sorry jetsmom, I just don’t believe that the AQHA is that evil of a money-grubbing organization.

Did they wait awhile on the HYPP thing? Yes. But I suspect it was more about trying to figure out how to deal with it from a membership perspective rather than actual disregard for the horse.

Showing them in the longe classes…well, it’s debatable whether that’s horrible or not. A young QH is very different than a young WB. Showing them as young horses under saddle? Well - the USEF is doing that too - as well as the USDF (There are 4 and 5 year old championships). So really, we’d have to shoot at all equine registries and organizations. I mean, for heaven’s sakes the Jockey Club races 2 year olds on turf.[/QUOTE]

As explained many times before, the HYPP genetics came out after the AQHA practically lost it’s shirt trying to defend itself from the lawsuit about the white rule, the Melvin Hatley lawsuit, that the AQHA lost.

The courts ruled that an association didn’t have the right to change rules without a large set of previous rules in place and the AQHA had not followed those guidelines.

When HYPP came to light, the AQHA was not in a position to go thru another lawsuit, as so many that had Impressive bred horses threatened, if the AQHA again would hasten to implement rules against Impressive bred horses.

What the AQHA did, on the advice of their attorney, was to lay a set of rules that would be implemented over several years to where we are today, where you can’t register HYPP H/H horses and I think not anymore also H/N horses, or will be phased out at a certain date soon.

All Impressive bred horses not from N/N parents have to be tested and on record as of their results to even be registered for some years now.

Some times, you just can’t do what you know is best, when that is antagonistic with the laws that dominate how associations can do business.
That is what kept the AQHA from, once they had proper testing, just deny registration to all but N/N, which would have been the most logic thing to do and what they really wanted to do.

As long as there are idiots out there still breeding knowing they have such a terrible disease in their lines, there is only so much anyone else can do, but vote with their wallet and not do business with those people, until the association can finish eliminating any other than N/N, as they follow the rules as they best can make them to stop HYPP.

AQHA or USEF or the Jockey Club or any of the others are not the police. They do not legislate, enforce or adjudicate. They have no right to do so. That is up to each jurisdiction and their elected, appointed or hired and trained officials.

That is where you go to protest slaughter if that’s what you feel you need to do. Your local or state level folks who possibly can do something and have the right to take action as opposed to banning a member from what is essentially a hobby type club for members.

Since someone mentioned the AQHA and HYPP:

While I think AQHA should have gone farther with the HYPP rulings, at least they did faze out H/H registrations and at LEAST they mandate that Impressive decendants are tested and the results printed on the horses’ papers…

APHA?? …(echo)
ApHC?? …(crickets)
Half-Arabian Registry?

What about the other organizations that register stock horses (or part-stock horses) with Impressive bloodlines?

[QUOTE=jenm;7776047]
The AQHA has proudly announced that Sherri Brunzell has been banned from the AQHA and all activities and shows related to it because, Pursuant to AQHA Rule VIO200 no person shall treat any horse in a cruel or inhumane manner.

Part of AQHA’s mission statement addresses that the American Quarter Horse shall be treated humanely, with dignity, respect and compassion at all times.

http://www.aqha.com/News/News-Articles/2014/September/09242014-AQHA-Takes-Action-On-Colorado-Springs-Case.aspx

Interesting that if Sherri had merely fattened those horses up and sent them to slaughter, none of the above rules would have applied, even if the rig they were traveling on crashed and the horses were injured.

How can anyone belong to, or even respect an organization that blatantly has such a glaring double standard?

I just don’t even know what to say… :no:[/QUOTE]

What has to happen there is the overwhelming majority of AQHA members need to MAKE THEIR FEELINGS KNOWN–WITH THEIR CHECKBOOKS! As in,

“Sorry, AQHA, until you get behind the SAFE act, you are not seeing another dime of my money, nor will I participate in AQHA activities.”

This goes for EVERY breed, trade, and industry association in America that persists in supporting this unnecessary, obsolete and barbaric trade merely for the greed of a tiny minority.

“Bulk” breeding and stupid breeding would end TOMORROW if we knocked out the floor that enables the asshats to break even by breeding 100 culls for every winning “halter horse”–who looks like he WAS bred for meat! Unfortunately, the AQHA promotes these very practices with things like their Incentive Fund. They also promote WAY too much backyard breeding by ignorant people who have some idea this is a way to make money.

The horse owners of America can get this done if they CARE enough. It takes persistent peer pressure to make the practice socially unacceptable for ANY business to be caught dead doing, promoting, or condoning by their silence.

[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;7777316]
What has to happen there is the overwhelming majority of AQHA members need to MAKE THEIR FEELINGS KNOWN–WITH THEIR CHECKBOOKS! As in,

“Sorry, AQHA, until you get behind the SAFE act, you are not seeing another dime of my money, nor will I participate in AQHA activities.”

This goes for EVERY breed, trade, and industry association in America that persists in supporting this unnecessary, obsolete and barbaric trade merely for the greed of a tiny minority.

“Bulk” breeding and stupid breeding would end TOMORROW if we knocked out the floor that enables the asshats to break even by breeding 100 culls for every winning “halter horse”–who looks like he WAS bred for meat! Unfortunately, the AQHA promotes these very practices with things like their Incentive Fund. They also promote WAY too much backyard breeding by ignorant people who have some idea this is a way to make money.

The horse owners of America can get this done if they CARE enough. It takes persistent peer pressure to make the practice socially unacceptable for ANY business to be caught dead doing, promoting, or condoning by their silence.[/QUOTE]

100% agree!