Barisone Trial This Month

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Fiesta01

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Fiesta01 was not friendly. Apparently I’m in the “wrong” camp or just way too “macho” and “Captain America” except I’ve also been chastised for feeling sorry for MB.

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If you’re saying I was “not friendly” because I didn’t ask you to DM me or that I didn’t DM you, that is not the case. I’m actually a friendly sort, even with people who hold differing opinions. My service is not something I discuss unless mutual trust has been established, something I don’t feel you can achieve on-line. Ask me about my horses, I’ll tell you everything.

I apologize if you misunderstood my reticence.

I was saying you weren’t friendly because you called me macho and Captain America when I was trying my durndest to explain my perspective of why hearing MB put two in the chest of LK put chills down my spine to people who have no idea the damage that would do.

I was making a point with the DM comment that you…well, weren’t being friendly

Then I was glad you called me those things because Knight’s_Mom was trying to push a theory that I was Yankee Duchess and I laughed thinking of responding by saying things like “I wouldn’t flounce off, I’d swagger off with Mucho Machismo. Or I wouldn’t flounce off, I’d quietly fade away. I also started to look for Captain America quotes to put on my posts but lost interest.

I’d love to hear about your horses anytime.

Excuse you but I didn’t say, suggest, imply or ponder that you’re YD because I couldn’t give a chit less.

You are all in with the poop jokes lately. Are you keeping your grandkids this week?

I really miss Yankee Duchess and Denali too.
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I know you think you’re being clever that you think you know my identity but uhm… yeah not so much.

[hut-ho78]

Nope. Don’t know you. Don’t know where you live. Don’t know where you’ve ever lived. Figured you are old enough for grandkid’s poop jokes because you like to say you worked for 30 years telling lawyers what to do.

[MHM]

[CanteringCarrot]

@hut-ho78

Nope. Don’t know you. Don’t know where you live. Don’t know where you’ve ever lived. Figured you are old enough for grandkid’s poop jokes because you like to say you worked for 30 years telling lawyers what to do.

Lol, wouldn’t consider that a “poop joke”

I couldn’t give a sh*t or slight variations of such a phrase are quite common and used frequently. I’ve never thought of it to be in the “poop joke” category I also never thought of the phrase as a joke. Interesting perspective. Also assuming someone has grandkids, because they worked for “30 years” and are “of the age” to have grandkids is interesting. Even if someone is of such an age or “older” that doesn’t automatically make them a grandparent and I think it’s interesting that there is some sort of expectation that it does. Sort of a bigger societal thinking picture there, but I won’t go off on that tangent.

Somehow the phrase “I couldn’t give a chit less” means that someone has been around kids. I know that I (purposely) live under a rock, but some of the conclusions or connections that are made in this thread, both re the topic of the shooting and in general, really fastinate me sometimes. It’s the simple things I suppose.

Never thought I’d hear someone say that they really miss YD. Her performances both inside and outside of this thread were something else, but we all have our own taste.

Also, re careers (military or not) the internet is a great place to pretend to be someone you wish that you were, instead of yourself. Remember that, everyone.

Right. So. That’s enough for today

[hut-ho78]

So much resistance to a civil discussion on what happened. Anyone that believes in personal responsibility for actions just really rocks some of y’all’s worlds. Don’t keep boohooing about people picking y’all for standing up for MB. It’s not because anyone stands up for MB. It’s because you can’t handle a narrative where he is responsible for his own actions. Minimum knowledge of the scenario - he had control of the gun, he drove to the house, LK was shot twice with the gun and told 911 it was by MB, and MB is not contesting that he shot her, just that he is innocent of a crime for shooting her.

It wil be interesting to hear about power burns and also about powder residue on his hands. Also, they will go into the damage to LK from being shot and it may be a shocker to those who act like he used a pellet gun.

Also, since the defense is insanity and self defense then it sounds like rights of tenancy for LK and RG have been established for the court and the self defense exceptions to the requirement to retreat for trespassers on the property don’t apply. I remember something about they had established an agreed upon date for them to move out and MB wanted them out earlier due to the drama.

That he didn’t try to use New Jersey’s emergency 3 day eviction using her FB posts and statements of her losing her temper in the house and that she didn’t take one of her friends offers to move out is such a tragedy. His life is ruined and she is traumatized and scarred for life. At least she has a chance to put this behind her and build a better life. He has nothing left and is facing decades of prison. A dynamic, charismatic, generous, talented top rider who should be contributing to the horse world and enjoying his success. All thrown away by his own bad decisions. Tragic.

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

Anyone that believes in personal responsibility for actions just doesn’t really rocks some of y’all’s worlds.

I very much believe in personal responsibility! Though I do agree that there are lots of posters here that do not believe in personal responsibility.

[MorganSercu]

Personal responsibility you say? Victim bashing? Being held accountable for not telling the truth? See below.

@MorganSercu

@rothmpp

As much as you hate what you think is blind devotion to MB by some, I hate allowing bad behavior to be excused due to her (or anyone’s) status as a “victim”. You want posters to own their bashing? How about about wanting LK to own her behavior as a online bully? No matter how much you want to say she’s just responding to provocation, her behavior here has pole vaulted over that line years ago.

How do you feel about trash talking a woman who lost her young child? Someone who can dish out something this breathtakingly vulgar and cruel forfeits forever the right to claim sensitivity to comments about her most traumatic experience.

This thread and subsequent posts was illuminating:

Lauren S. & Jessica I. are two who may also be subpoenaed.

[hut-ho78]

Hi Morgan,
Yes, saw it. What she said to Girl Joey went way too far. It was an awful, terrible, horrible thing to say, a low blow. If I remember correctly it was an escalating disagreement between Girl Joey and LK that LK took way too far.

She went way too far with PMs and threats.

No one else shot her though. She is not alone in going too far. How people can clearly see what she said to Girl Joey is wrong then not see the wrongness of the ugly abusive comments that started when she was in an induced coma in the hospital (before anyone knew about Girl Joey) is just ludicrous, nonsense, balderdash, ridiculous. Then what can one expect of a community that wasn’t surprised when BNTs were outed for child abuse because “everyone knew, people just looked the other way.”

[3PonyFarm]

Would temporary insanity be a possibility in the MB case if it satisfied whatever the legal requirements are for that condition?

I do believe in my nonexpert opinion that childhood trama could affect someone so severely that they could suffer PTSD, I wasn’t sure what the clinical definition was for that condition and if it fell under insanity.

Thanks again for your input!

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

Hi Morgan,
Yes, saw it. What she said to Girl Joey went way too far. It was an awful, terrible, horrible thing to say, a low blow. If I remember correctly it was an escalating disagreement between Girl Joey and LK that LK took way too far.

She went way too far with PMs and threats.

But as you can see, LK has not taken personal responsibility for any of those comments she said to GJ. She has not taken personal responsibility for threatening people via PM.

No, her not taking responsibility does not make it OK that GM molested boys or any of that other stuff.

My point is solely that you can not hang your hat on “one must take personal responsibility” and ignore the fact that the other half of this equation has a very long history of not once taking personal responsibility.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

So much resistance to a civil discussion on what happened. Anyone that believes in personal responsibility for actions just really rocks some of y’all’s worlds. Don’t keep boohooing about people picking y’all for standing up for MB. It’s not because anyone stands up for MB. It’s because you can’t handle a narrative where he is responsible for his own actions. Minimum knowledge of the scenario - he had control of the gun, he drove to the house, LK was shot twice with the gun and told 911 it was by MB, and MB is not contesting that he shot her, just that he is innocent of a crime for shooting her.

It wil be interesting to hear about power burns and also about powder residue on his hands. Also, they will go into the damage to LK from being shot and it may be a shocker to those who act like he used a pellet gun.

Also, since the defense is insanity and self defense then it sounds like rights of tenancy for LK and RG have been established for the court and the self defense exceptions to the requirement to retreat for trespassers on the property don’t apply. I remember something about they had established an agreed upon date for them to move out and MB wanted them out earlier due to the drama.

That he didn’t try to use New Jersey’s emergency 3 day eviction using her FB posts and statements of her losing her temper in the house and that she didn’t take one of her friends offers to move out is such a tragedy. His life is ruined and she is traumatized and scarred for life. At least she has a chance to put this behind her and build a better life. He has nothing left and is facing decades of prison. A dynamic, charismatic, generous, talented top rider who should be contributing to the horse world and enjoying his success. All thrown away by his own bad decisions. Tragic.

You seem confused.

It’s not the desire to have MB declared a Saint. It’s what happens when someone tells a story and then is shown to be liar. Should be no surprise that their word is then doubted after their lies come out, their past behavior is shown and their story has problematic holes in it.

And that’s the amazing part of all this: We have here a bizarre phenomenon where seeking the truth makes you somehow a MB devotee. When the desire for justice to be served and the truth to come out is ridiculed and disparaged.

Shame on you for seemingly denying the man his Constitutional right to fair trial!

To you, trial by COTH is justice enough. To you, a determination made by a panel of impartial jurors is unnecessary. To you, the word of a known liar is justice enough. To you, no need for experts nor testimony. No need for this particular citizen to be entitled to fair trial because YOU deem it so.

Bravo.

I wonder if perhaps you and others have no trust in our criminal justice system, no desire to see the absolute truth, that you rally so hard here.

[Angela_Freda]

@hut-ho78

it sounds like rights of tenancy for LK and RG have been established for the court and the self defense exceptions to the requirement to retreat for trespassers on the property don’t apply.

Say what, now?

[Angela_Freda]

@trubandloki

I very much believe in personal responsibility! Though I do agree that there are lots of posters here that do not believe in personal responsibility.

Same.
And I believe it applies evenly, to all.
No one is Sooooo special, that they get to flout the rules or laws.
In part because we see where that gets us.

[hut-ho78]

Oh nonsense. He is on trial for whether or not it was self defense and insanity not whether or not he shot her.

[eggbutt]

I’m curious how many users who post on these threads have a dog in this fight or personally know someone who does, or are you simply speculating and choosing some sort side to defend and debate because it is fun to play Crime Show in your mind?

[SillyHorse]

@DreadPirateRoberts

@Knights_Mom

@DreadPirateRoberts come out come out wherever you are

As you wish!

Coincidentally, I was called to jury duty here in Florin so I’m sorely out of touch with the latest discussions here. I do not envy the good people of New Jersey who will be put, metaphorically, “to the pain” in evaluating the details of the Barisone case.

As for my identity, I can assure those who are suspicious that I am not someone otherwise posting regularly on the thread. I am merely a farm boy (and occasional buccaneer) who caught wind of these threads when a swashbuckling friend followed his lust for vengeance all the way to a horse forum, of all places. We have giants and ROUSes in Florin, but not trolls I’m afraid, so I’ll stay out of the conversation about who’s here to stir the pot. I’m merely here to encourage Inigo to get back on the wagon. And, as a good farm boy, to serve and entertain the equestrians of this forum.

“I’m merely here to encourage Inigo to get back on the wagon.”

Welcome back, @DreadPirateRoberts! Do stick around.

[eggbutt]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

So much resistance to a civil discussion on what happened. Anyone that believes in personal responsibility for actions just really rocks some of y’all’s worlds. Don’t keep boohooing about people picking y’all for standing up for MB. It’s not because anyone stands up for MB. It’s because you can’t handle a narrative where he is responsible for his own actions. Minimum knowledge of the scenario - he had control of the gun, he drove to the house, LK was shot twice with the gun and told 911 it was by MB, and MB is not contesting that he shot her, just that he is innocent of a crime for shooting her.

It wil be interesting to hear about power burns and also about powder residue on his hands. Also, they will go into the damage to LK from being shot and it may be a shocker to those who act like he used a pellet gun.

Also, since the defense is insanity and self defense then it sounds like rights of tenancy for LK and RG have been established for the court and the self defense exceptions to the requirement to retreat for trespassers on the property don’t apply. I remember something about they had established an agreed upon date for them to move out and MB wanted them out earlier due to the drama.

That he didn’t try to use New Jersey’s emergency 3 day eviction using her FB posts and statements of her losing her temper in the house and that she didn’t take one of her friends offers to move out is such a tragedy. His life is ruined and she is traumatized and scarred for life. At least she has a chance to put this behind her and build a better life. He has nothing left and is facing decades of prison. A dynamic, charismatic, generous, talented top rider who should be contributing to the horse world and enjoying his success. All thrown away by his own bad decisions. Tragic.

You seem confused.

It’s not the desire to have MB declared a Saint. It’s what happens when someone tells a story and then is shown to be liar. Should be no surprise that their word is then doubted after their lies come out, their past behavior is shown and their story has problematic holes in it.

And that’s the amazing part of all this: We have here a bizarre phenomenon where seeking the truth makes you somehow a MB devotee. When the desire for justice to be served and the truth to come out is ridiculed and disparaged.

Shame on you for seemingly denying the man his Constitutional right to fair trial!

To you, trial by COTH is justice enough. To you, a determination made by a panel of impartial jurors is unnecessary. To you, the word of a known liar is justice enough. To you, no need for experts nor testimony. No need for this particular citizen to be entitled to fair trial because YOU deem it so.

Bravo.

I wonder if perhaps you and others have no trust in our criminal justice system, no desire to see the absolute truth, that you rally so hard here.

TRUTH^^ and worth frequent reposting.

[Justice_for_Horses]

Her behavior was awful and childish. Even so, it doesn’t put it on par with a serial killer. It’s not deserving of wanting to ruin someone’s life over.

[trubandloki]

How did we make the leap to a serial killer? I feel like I missed something.

[eggbutt]

Me too. Who died?