Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

MH testified she met MB as a teenager and became involved with him in 2015.

The comments about who lived with who and overlaps and where were posted in the first Woman Shot at Barisone Farm. @miss_machine and @BrownDerby had a short conversation about an overlap of VK and MH on the farm with VK being at the house and MH in the barn with MB. There was also a discussion about MB promising women he could get them to the Olympics.

The filing for divorce is on the internet (2017) as well as the date VK opened her own business (April 2019). MH also testified that MB told her it was hard to feel good after VK “clipped” him for $965,000. Nancy Jaffre wrote about that. The first article below had the year the divorce was field and also stated VK took 3 horses and MB took 9 during the split. The second item just shows the start of VK’s new LLC post divorce.

I had the impressions that LK was on the premises when VK was still there but was told by someone else that was not correct and I haven’t found the source of that. Neither I nor the person who told me I was wrong are in any position to know as we both are not insiders and know no one.

MH posted on her FB page that she was engaged to a fireman within a year from the shooting. I wish her well. I think someone posted they are married now. I haven’t seen that elsewhere than somewhere in these threads I think.

As far as I can tell, two people brought out the worst in each other. I do condemn violence, especially with firearms. He is a big man. He had a shovel and tire tool. He fetched a gun out of the safe, loaded it (RC testified she didn’t give him ammo except maybe a couple of rounds in one magazine), and drove to the house. I respect the jury’s verdict that he was found NGRI so I guess that incongruity I see on choice of weapons can be thrown in with the NGRI as well.

I don’t know if anything negative about MH or VK though I am troubled by the PI report MH sent to SafeSport and looking for gossip from online bickering instead of following NJ eviction which includes a 3 day time for “disorderly” and I would think screaming outside their door all night would qualify. IANAL.

The 19,000 pages included SM posted after the shooting as pointed out by the prosecutor. He only brought one piece into evidence when he was impeaching Dr Simring and the judge did not allow him to bring up any others. There can easily be 19,000 pages if COTH and FB bickering are included and since LK really wound up and let go after someone started in on her first, then when she had to turn the information over, it is reasonable that she would include all of it.

I don’t know why a few of y’all get all huffy about CH responding after begging her to for a couple of days. CH is remarkably restrained considering comments made to and about her personally. This is a longish post but there were questions about where information came from so here it is.

This is an awful situation and a tragedy for everyone involved. It must have been terribly traumatizing. I suspect MB’s and LK’s instability fed off each other. I do not understand how she is supposed to be a monster and MB the victim after he shot her. So yes, we heard the same testimony and ended up at different places. Happy Mother’s Day everyone. Hope everyone has a good one.

https://www.nj.com/morris/2019/08/attempted-murder-accusation-against-nj-olympian-shocks-the-equestrian-world.html?outputType=amp

https://bisprofiles.com/fl/vera-kessels-dressage-l19000094822

@hut-ho78
So what did MHG do to LK to earn LKs wrath?

[DownYonder]

@hut-ho78

I do not understand how she is supposed to be a monster and MB the victim after he shot her.

Remind me again. Which one had embarked on a full-fledged campaign to terrorize the other one? And terrorize his girlfriend? And was apparently even trying to find out where her kids were?

[Danvers]

Wow…. There are a lot more sociopaths / psychopaths out there than I realized…. They love to argue, fight , gaslight And wear you down…. Until you surrender. This is what they do and what some posters are trying to do… they will never stop…. Ever….

[Graymaresrule]

Who is Jason McCracken?

[Knights_Mom]

@Danvers

Wow…. There are a lot more sociopaths / psychopaths out there than I realized…. They love to argue, fight , gaslight And wear you down…. Until you surrender. This is what they do and what some posters are trying to do… they will never stop…. Ever….

Justice will prevail.

[hut-ho78]

I have no idea. LK said it would all come out but if it did, I missed it.

[hut-ho78]

Why did you ask me who Jason McCracken is?

[hut-ho78]

@ekat

@hut-ho78

The comments about who lived with who and overlaps and where were posted in the first Woman Shot at Barisone Farm.

During MHG’s testimony, she discussed that when she first moved in with MB,they were living in the barn living quarters and VK lived in the main floor of the farmhouse, with JH living upstairs.

When LK and RG moved into the farmhouse spring of 2018, they occupied the now vacant main floor. So, based on trial testimony, LK and VK didn’t overlap.

Re: the one post/message. If you listen to Mr Schellhorn’s question, he doesn’t say it was written after the incident. In fact, when he first has Dr Simring look at it, he says the date is 07/28/2019. He points out that it was a private message between LK and someone else so MB shouldn’t have known about it before the shooting. And, when Dr S says, it was just one post, there were thousands more, Mr Schellhorn certainly doesn’t bring in any more, which he absolutely would have, had there been more that would challenge the effect on MB’s state of mind. There were no objections or rulings by the judge. Mr Schellhorn simply moved on.

Further evidence that there were no posts written after the incident is that the State’s own witness didn’t challenge any as written after the incident.

The prosecutor tried to bring it more later when it was too late and the judge stopped him. Oh no. I may have to listen again to his cross of Dr Simring and his final argument. Does anyone else remember? I’m starting to feel like I’m singing along with my favorite musicals or quoting along with my favorite movies only it’s not.

[Joanne]

@OntheFnce

Also, you can bet your @ss I would be reporting LK to SS if I found Suboxone on my property/business establishment…especially when there’s children present.

Speaking of finding Suboxone in the trash at MB’s home, does anyone have a screen shot of that? I do remember seeing it; quite a few boxes in the trash. The picture might be here on COTH somewhere.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

I have no idea. LK said it would all come out but if it did, I missed it.

Ok. Thank you.

[starhorse]

Totally off topic, but I used to work in a pet store and a mom came in with her 4ish year old, who was nomming on a bagel. The mother brought me this product, gestured to her child and asked if it was safe for human consumption.

[smoofox]

LK promised that a lot would come out. That there would be bombshells. That we would be amazed and astounded - that kind of thing…

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

The prosecutor tried to bring it more later when it was too late and the judge stopped him.

Not with Dr Simring. The only time Judge T stopped the cross was to break for lunch. There weren’t objections.

Edit to correct something: Right before the lunch break, there is this exchange:

Mr Schellhorn : So potentially the posts that Michael Barisone told you about when you met with him, some of which we’ve established he didn’t have before the shooting -

Mr Bilinkis: Objection one, not some

Judge T: Yeah, you addressed just one.

Mr Schellhorn: well I only address one, Judge.

Judge T: But if you have if you have others then you can address them but you only addressed one.

Mr S goes on to say he didn’t go through them all (sounds like he says on the break?) and Judge T says that what’s on the record is one.

Which indicates Judge T absolutely would have let him address them had he, well, done so

[Joanne]

@Graymaresrule

Who is Jason McCracken?

Old boyfriend.

“Kanarek was first listed in critical condition but upgraded to stable Thursday . . . .”

“When I heard that she pulled through, I thought ‘aw man, she really is a fighter,’” said Jason McCracken, a friend who had dated Kanarek for years and grew up with her in Livingston.

The two don’t talk every day, but when they did, it was for hours, he said - about movies, music, or her training. “She was always super into the horses, really really loved those animals."

“She’s opinionated, strong-willed, super intelligent,” he said."

Attempted murder accusation against Olympic horseman from N.J. shocks the...

Jason could be posting here.

[Warmblood1]

@eggbutt

I seriously doubt Mary Haskins Gray, or anyone connected to this drama IRL, give a thin dime about what @CurrentlyHorseless, a nameless wannabe, thinks of any of them! That said, no one on this thread should care or give them the time of day when they make ridiculous posts for provocation. Don’t take their bait.

@CurrentlyHorseless is stating that MHG purposely harmed her children by being involved with MB. This is a damning thing to say for anyone and anyone with the gall to say something like this should certainly back up this statement with evidence. CH carelessly trashes the name of MHG and I think CH should provide evidence, especially when CH states that they only form their own opinions based on evidence. This entire thread went on for hundreds of additional posts because CH refused to believe a SM post was made stating LK owned a walther handgun because a screenshot (evidence) of said post wasn’t provided. If calling CH out is taking the bait, then so be it. If my name was needlessly being dragged through the mud, I’d hope someone would challenge it.

[Warmblood1]

@Rowdy

Perhaps if more people took an interest in our broken society long before now, he wouldn’t be in his current predicament. Here you are, though, wasting your time “correcting” me when you could be turning your attention to solving real problems.

Curious to know what you’ve done to alleviate society’s mental health burden while you’re hanging out on your pillar up there?

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

Lol She’s opinionated
I totally misread that as she’s opiated
I guess both are true

[hut-ho78]

@ekat

@hut-ho78

The prosecutor tried to bring it more later when it was too late and the judge stopped him.

Not with Dr Simring. The only time Judge T stopped the cross was to break for lunch. There weren’t objections.

Edit to correct something: Right before the lunch break, there is this exchange:

Mr Schellhorn : So potentially the posts that Michael Barisone told you about when you met with him, some of which we’ve established he didn’t have before the shooting -

Mr Bilinkis: Objection one, not some

Judge T: Yeah, you addressed just one.

Mr Schellhorn: well I only address one, Judge.

Judge T: But if you have if you have others then you can address them but you only addressed one.

Mr S goes on to say he didn’t go through them all (sounds like he says on the break?) and Judge T says that what’s on the record is one.

Which indicates Judge T absolutely would have let him address them had he, well, done so

That was it. Thank you so much.

[hut-ho78]

@Joanne

@Graymaresrule

Who is Jason McCracken?

Old boyfriend.

“Kanarek was first listed in critical condition but upgraded to stable Thursday . . . .”

“When I heard that she pulled through, I thought ‘aw man, she really is a fighter,’” said Jason McCracken, a friend who had dated Kanarek for years and grew up with her in Livingston.

The two don’t talk every day, but when they did, it was for hours, he said - about movies, music, or her training. “She was always super into the horses, really really loved those animals."

“She’s opinionated, strong-willed, super intelligent,” he said."

https://www.nj.com/morris/2019/08/attempted-murder-accusation-against-nj-olympian-shocks-the-equestrian-world.html

Jason could be posting here.

Ok. I saw that. Forgot the name. Again, why ask me?

[hut-ho78]

@Warmblood1

@eggbutt

I seriously doubt Mary Haskins Gray, or anyone connected to this drama IRL, give a thin dime about what @CurrentlyHorseless, a nameless wannabe, thinks of any of them! That said, no one on this thread should care or give them the time of day when they make ridiculous posts for provocation. Don’t take their bait.

@CurrentlyHorseless is stating that MHG purposely harmed her children by being involved with MB. This is a damning thing to say for anyone and anyone with the gall to say something like this should certainly back up this statement with evidence. CH carelessly trashes the name of MHG and I think CH should provide evidence, especially when CH states that they only form their own opinions based on evidence. This entire thread went on for hundreds of additional posts because CH refused to believe a SM post was made stating LK owned a walther handgun because a screenshot (evidence) of said post wasn’t provided. If calling CH out is taking the bait, then so be it. If my name was needlessly being dragged through the mud, I’d hope someone would challenge it.

Too funny. No KM and several other people thought they saw a post on LK’s FB talking about a Ruger. The FB post was about two Walthers. It got even funnier when someone came in and said it was a Luger.

KM would never back down when LK told her she was wrong and it escalated badly, went on to private message, LK threatened to sue, etc.

The point CH and I made was that once LK said it wasn’t a Ruger that was mentioned that a simple “maybe I was mistaken” could have ended it. Instead it went on for years from KM bringing up she was threatened. Finally the screen shot came out about the Walthers and even then no one backed down, just doubled down.

I made a joke at one point that all anyone proved was that they didn’t know their Ruger from a Luger. I don’t think everyone found that as funny as I did.

Who knows, maybe a screen shot will turn up about it; however, LK testified that she had one Walther and one was in layaway and she never picked up the second one. Plus, it was proven that RC owned the Ruger that ended up with MB.