Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Scribbler

What I don’t understand is why shared custody of kids would even be a negative thing these days. Everyone I know who had an amicable divorce has shared custody with whatever practical arrangements work for attending school and minimizing disruptions to the children’s lives. It doesn’t mean that the custody was contested or that one or the other parent isn’t fit to have full custody. It means that both are good parents and continue to cooperate for the benefit of the children. Bringing it up as a potential negative as CH appears to be trying to do is idiotic.

As I remember it (I admit my memory is not perfect), I have brought up MHGs custody arrangements not at all.

[MHM]

NOPE. Nope, nope.

[erinmeri]

@cheval_convert

I have been thinking about this “would you regret it?” question. If I had been someone who was harassed
by LK and chose not to report it and then this whole mess happened, I would regret that I had done nothing to protect other people from her.

Amen!

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

can see that whatever was submitted concerning HB or GJ was probably perfectly true. But reaching out to social media enemies with grievances from 5 years ago is not necessary or useful if the complaints from the current situation are serious enough. If the complaint against LK in terms of what she was doing in the last month or so to MB and MHG was serious enough to stand on its own merit, why bring in GJ and HB?

Again,

How do you know what was sent to USEF?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@erinmeri

@CurrentlyHorseless

Surprise, surprise, I think I did nothing wrong. I edited her post to replace “MHG” with “MHG and LK” to highlight the hypocrisy and make point that all of FtzE’s lofty message about not disturbing MHGs privacy applies just as well to LK. Both were involved in the tragedy, but neither was the defendant in the case.

Not surprised that you think you did nothing wrong. You haven’t demonstrated that much self awareness. It’s actually kind of sad that you cannot or will not admit when you have been found out.

I am still behind on this thread, and I am danged sure someone has already called you out on this, but:

• only one of the parties you mention consistently posts all over the web/ speaks out publicly,
• only one of the parties you mention consistently gives (both on the web and under oath) inconsistent stories,
• only one of the parties you mention seems to welcome the scrutiny and attention and claims that “the real story” has yet to be revealed,
• only one of the parties you mention has an alleged and documented history of threatening and harassing others,
• only one of the parties you mention has filed a civil suit that opens themselves up to further scrutiny…

I could go on, but any reasonable person should get the gist. ONE of the two is asking for scrutiny. The other is not.

That’s where I disagree. I don’t think LK ever wanted to be the brunt of all the trashing on these threads.

[erinmeri]

@erinmeri

Good grief. I changed the initials to include LK as well as MHG. That’s the basic underlying change. I changed the pronouns from singular to plural to conform. Is that OK? Of course I had to drop the “poised on the witness stand” and the “two children”and “successfully competing” since those don’t apply to LK.

There is so much about your above post to unpack that I can’t even. Maybe tomorrow. Rode 3 horses and battled NYC traffic and have zero energy… BUT the disingenuousness of what you wrote above, the pure and utter dishonesty and hubris is breathtaking. Isn’t that your favored term?

[Sdel]

@erinmeri

I’m trying to understand why MB demonstrably did not evict LK, or ask her to leave, at any point from April through Aug 5, 2019. MHG was on record as wanting her gone as of April. I agree with you that $2,500 per horse for board and training plus apartment is a remarkably good deal. I can’t imagine it covered show entry fees.

So why didn’t he end the client relationship in April, or, better yet, not permit her to come to NJ in 2019 at all?

I imagine that will be laid bare in the civil trial in a way that wasn’t in the criminal trial. However, I believe we already have hints that it will not look very good for the K’s when that all comes to light.

It is very obvious that JK was the party to negotiate with, or at least the K’s led MB to believe he was the acting agent, as far as board/training agreements. MB did negotiate with JK to have her leave before the eviction. For whatever reason, JK could not uphold his end of the deal, or actively misled MB as to the nature of his ability or involvement as LK’s agent.

As far as why LK was allowed back, according to her manifesto, MB wasn’t going to be allowing to live on property when they came back in April. She threatened him with leaving with her horses and enforcing other “agreements”. Head scratcher as to why such a wealthy flower would even consider living in a construction zone. Considering her email/texts about forging documents, who knows of those were legitimate agreements that she was fighting to enforce. I wonder if that is the basis for the claim that JK forced MB into letting her stay on the farm…

[erinmeri]

@Sdel

@erinmeri

I’m trying to understand why MB demonstrably did not evict LK, or ask her to leave, at any point from April through Aug 5, 2019. MHG was on record as wanting her gone as of April. I agree with you that $2,500 per horse for board and training plus apartment is a remarkably good deal. I can’t imagine it covered show entry fees.

So why didn’t he end the client relationship in April, or, better yet, not permit her to come to NJ in 2019 at all?

I imagine that will be laid bare in the civil trial in a way that wasn’t in the criminal trial. However, I believe we already have hints that it will not look very good for the K’s when that all comes to light.

It is very obvious that JK was the party to negotiate with, or at least the K’s led MB to believe he was the acting agent, as far as board/training agreements. MB did negotiate with JK to have her leave before the eviction. For whatever reason, JK could not uphold his end of the deal, or actively misled MB as to the nature of his ability or involvement as LK’s agent.

As far as why LK was allowed back, according to her manifesto, MB wasn’t going to be allowing to live on property when they came back in April. She threatened him with leaving with her horses and enforcing other “agreements”. Head scratcher as to why such a wealthy flower would even consider living in a construction zone. Considering her email/texts about forging documents, who knows of those were legitimate agreements that she was fighting to enforce. I wonder if that is the basis for the claim that JK forced MB into letting her stay on the farm…

Just want to point out - that is CH’s quote, NOT mine.

[eggbutt]

You won’t receive a response. This poster enjoys playing games. Quite like elementary playground na-a-na-na, lookie what I have and you can’t have it.

[erinmeri]

@erinmeri

If I had submitted the complaint, and the next day learned that my bf had shot the woman, I’d be feeling queasy.

Again, a lot to unpack from your word salad. To address this quote… I would not feel “queasy”. I would feel RELIEF that I documented the harassment and abuse that drove my boyfriend to lose his grip on reality. But, that’s me.

[Sdel]

@erinmeri

@Sdel

@erinmeri

I’m trying to understand why MB demonstrably did not evict LK, or ask her to leave, at any point from April through Aug 5, 2019. MHG was on record as wanting her gone as of April. I agree with you that $2,500 per horse for board and training plus apartment is a remarkably good deal. I can’t imagine it covered show entry fees.

So why didn’t he end the client relationship in April, or, better yet, not permit her to come to NJ in 2019 at all?

I imagine that will be laid bare in the civil trial in a way that wasn’t in the criminal trial. However, I believe we already have hints that it will not look very good for the K’s when that all comes to light.

It is very obvious that JK was the party to negotiate with, or at least the K’s led MB to believe he was the acting agent, as far as board/training agreements. MB did negotiate with JK to have her leave before the eviction. For whatever reason, JK could not uphold his end of the deal, or actively misled MB as to the nature of his ability or involvement as LK’s agent.

As far as why LK was allowed back, according to her manifesto, MB wasn’t going to be allowing to live on property when they came back in April. She threatened him with leaving with her horses and enforcing other “agreements”. Head scratcher as to why such a wealthy flower would even consider living in a construction zone. Considering her email/texts about forging documents, who knows of those were legitimate agreements that she was fighting to enforce. I wonder if that is the basis for the claim that JK forced MB into letting her stay on the farm…

Just want to point out - that is CH’s quote, NOT mine.

Yes, sorry, I just took it out of the bolded responses buried in the quote.

[erinmeri]

I know! But as these threads go…

[eggbutt]

I’d still like @CurrentlyHorseless to answer the question that has been asked of them several times…how do they know the details of what was in the package sent to USEF? I’m guessing it is safe to consider all of their statements about the package as pure, unadulterated BS. How pathetic it is for people to spew fantasy/BS trying to be relevant and give the impression they have connections. The sad thing is those of us who DO have connections and know information keep it pretty confidential and can be trusted. So yes, a true wannabe.

[3PonyFarm]

I would be curious if anyone on the grand jury who indicted MB watched the trial. Since it revealed both sides I wonder how they would feel. I would not have appreciated finding out how flimsy (IMO) the evidence turned out to be.

[hut-ho78]

I thought Tarshis, the nice lawyer friend, and at least one but maybe all of the mental health experts said MB allowed her back because MB said he needed the money.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@erinmeri

I’m trying to understand why MB demonstrably did not evict LK, or ask her to leave, at any point from April through Aug 5, 2019. MHG was on record as wanting her gone as of April. I agree with you that $2,500 per horse for board and training plus apartment is a remarkably good deal. I can’t imagine it covered show entry fees.

So why didn’t he end the client relationship in April, or, better yet, not permit her to come to NJ in 2019 at all?

I imagine that will be laid bare in the civil trial in a way that wasn’t in the criminal trial. However, I believe we already have hints that it will not look very good for the K’s when that all comes to light.

It is very obvious that JK was the party to negotiate with, or at least the K’s led MB to believe he was the acting agent, as far as board/training agreements. MB did negotiate with JK to have her leave before the eviction. For whatever reason, JK could not uphold his end of the deal, or actively misled MB as to the nature of his ability or involvement as LK’s agent.

As far as why LK was allowed back, according to her manifesto, MB wasn’t going to be allowing to live on property when they came back in April. She threatened him with leaving with her horses and enforcing other “agreements”. Head scratcher as to why such a wealthy flower would even consider living in a construction zone. Considering her email/texts about forging documents, who knows of those were legitimate agreements that she was fighting to enforce. I wonder if that is the basis for the claim that JK forced MB into letting her stay on the farm…

Re bolded. LK “threatening to leave with her horses”
is exactly the appropriate response if she don’t like the deal on offer. It’s negotiation.

Why didn’t he say, “Great, leave. Have a nice life”?

She also had the right to attempt to enforce whatever other agreements there were.

[Warmblood1]

@eggbutt

You won’t receive a response. This poster enjoys playing games. Quite like elementary playground na-a-na-na, lookie what I have and you can’t have it.

I think you’re right, @CurrentlyHorseless has been asked this question 4-5 times now, if not more. CH could show a shred of decency and be forthcoming in regards to what they actually know

-OR-

CH can continue to be incredibly foolish, deceitful and manipulative by ignoring the question. It’s up to CH to prove which they choose to be.

[erinmeri]

@3PonyFarm

I would be curious if anyone on the grand jury who indicted MB watched the trial. Since it revealed both sides I wonder how they would feel. I would not have appreciated finding out how flimsy (IMO) the evidence turned out to be.

From my flimsy understanding of the law, that isn’t the expectation. They are there to determine if a case is to be made. Also, Grand Jury duty is often longer than a single case (for those juries). It is truly burdensome. I think they probably feel fine having brought it to trial. And given what they were probably presented, they probably feel okay with the outcome. Also: I was on a criminal jury, not a grand jury, but we were not allowed to consider sentencing.

[eggbutt]

Isn’t @CurrentlyHorseless the one who stated they only believe what IM said and just knew they were telling the gospel truth? Yeah, IM’s posts haven’t aged well. I can’t wait for the civil trial!!

[Omgitsme]

I see it as adding evidence to the current claim. As in, “this isn’t the first time she’s behaved this way.”
When I submitted my SS complaint about LK I also included messages she had sent to someone else. It establishes a pattern.

ETA: sorry, just catching up.