Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[MHM]

Confirmed on the go fund me page.

[Maria]

Per LO, MB has been moved to A. Klein

[ekat]

Finally!!! Hopefully things go smoother from here, and they can get moving on that evaluation.

[3PonyFarm]

Would you think they would still need to have the court hearing or is it likely to be delayed?

[ekat]

@3PonyFarm

Would you think they would still need to have the court hearing or is it likely to be delayed?

My gut tells me it’s going to be moved out 30 days. But at least there is finally some progress!

Edit to add: that first hearing is about the initial evaluation and whether he is a danger to himself and others, and what levels of restrictions (if any) he needs going forward. Now he’s at least in the place where someone can get to work on that.

[DownYonder]

Wow. Not even a pillow?

[3PonyFarm]

Yes! Good news!

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

What’s your take on the 2 week quarantine? No pillow, no mail ? Seems to me like they are putting him in a more restricted situation which goes directly against what Krol call for. If he’s been stable in jail why would they increase his restrictions, seems very punitive.

[ekat]

@Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion

What’s your take on the 2 week quarantine? No pillow, no mail ? Seems to me like they are putting him in a more restricted situation which goes directly against what Krol call for. If he’s been stable in jail why would they increase his restrictions, seems very punitive.

They’re moving him to a max security psych hospital. They have to determine what level of harm he presents right now before they can start mixing him in with other patients. Safety for everybody is going to come first.

[DownYonder]

@Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion

What’s your take on the 2 week quarantine? No pillow, no mail ? Seems to me like they are putting him in a more restricted situation which goes directly against what Krol call for. If he’s been stable in jail why would they increase his restrictions, seems very punative.

Not ekat, but I am guessing that is their standard protocol for new patients. ???

I can understand “quarantine” (Covid) but no pillow does seem pretty harsh. Are they afraid he will smother himself with it? (I would need a chiropractor!)

[Ha, posting the same time as ekat!]

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@Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion

What’s your take on the 2 week quarantine? [quote=“Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion, post:8678, topic:771580, full:true”]
What’s your take on the 2 week quarantine? No pillow, no mail ? Seems to me like they are putting him in a more restricted situation which goes directly against what Krol call for. If he’s been stable in jail why would they increase his restrictions, seems very punitive.

No pillow, no mail ? Seems to me like they are putting him in a more restricted situation which goes directly against what Krol call for. If he’s been stable in jail why would they increase his restrictions, seems very punitive.
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Unknown suicide risk. A suicidal could attempt to suffocate themselves with a pillow or hang themself with a blanket. Contact with an unknown outside party could trigger a suicide attempt….

[MHM]

@DownYonder

Not ekat, but I am guessing that is their standard protocol for new patients. ???

I can understand “quarantine” (Covid) but no pillow does seem pretty harsh. Are they afraid he will smother himself with it? (I would need a chiropractor!)

I’m guessing they have standard rules in place to deal with a level of mental health problems most of us can’t even imagine.

[ekat]

@MHM

I’m guessing they have standard rules in place to deal with a level of mental health problems most of us can’t even imagine.

Yeah, it’s a little scary.

What is encouraging is she’s asking people to write letters, while she finds out what else can be sent (cards, etc). So that’s good.

And, while they’re getting to know his security risk at the facility (if any) they’re laying the foundation for whether or not he’s considered a risk. So, progress!! (Finally).

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

I understand but I feel that he has already shown a level of stability, not actively being suicidal or dangerous so to increase his restriction for behaving appropriately seems wrong but I do understand it’s a system rule-procedure.

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@Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion

I understand but I feel that he has already shown a level of stability, not actively being suicidal or dangerous so to increase his restriction for behaving appropriately seems wrong but I do understand it’s a system rule-procedure.

As far as they know, he’s only been so stable because of the environment and the transfer could trigger something as it is an anticipated move towards an unregulated environment…freedom.

[MHM]

Well, I’m guessing whatever he showed at the previous facility does not carry over to the new place. Everyone there probably starts from scratch when they arrive.

[CindyB59]

I have mulch, if you need help decomposing the body(s)

[3PonyFarm]

I was told by friend that is atty that sometimes backlogs of getting into facilities are from trying to place people who are not going home but to long term care facilities. Apparently those places must be limited in space as well. What I wonder is, who gets the money for the fines imposed on the facilites who cannot accept people such as those who were incarcerated? Why fine a place that is probably stretched for resources as it is?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@iberianfan

So, CH is saying that KK is mimicking us in our lies and LK bashing, and we had been doing so since LK was in the hospital. I wasn’t sure of this, so I went back to the very first thread and scanned through the first 500 or so posts. First of all, while I may have missed it, I didn’t see Eggbutt in there at all. Most of the posters are different from the current group.

So, not the same crowd. As to bashing and falsehoods I saw none. One poster had personal knowledge of LK and shared that episode. In that story, LK refused to leave a barn when asked and it got ugly. I am sure LK would have a different version, but I believe it to be true.

Other posters quoted her FB page. Her own words. Not bashing and lying. Her words were discussed as they were odd, to say the least. Again, nothing we don’t know for sure.

Facts were speculated, just as is being done here, but no bashing. LK 's “assault with a deadly weapon” charge was brought up. Not a lie.

Some posters here have very personal feelings for the individuals involved and that sometimes spills over into the rhetoric. But they have a right to the feelings they have as they have had personal interactions with the principals.

Others of us, myself included, don’t know any of the folks personally. But I have had nasty snark directed at me for a neutral comment. So, does that color my view? Sure.

I think KK’s posts were odd and got very nasty. I certainly don’t think others “have gone lower”. @eggbutt, have you ever called another poster “nastier than a junkyard dog?” You, of everyone here have probably been the most passionate in your feelings, but I am not sure I have seen you name call. Be sarcastic? A little snippy? Sure. But generally appropriate and often a little funny.

So,to @CurrentlyHorseless, and @hut-ho78, I say there is a lot of speculation and guessing as to the real facts. The jury made their decision with very limited facts, and I think they did a great job. But that doesn’t mean that what was testified to in court by the two people present were the actual facts.

I honestly do not see bashing and lying for the most part. It’s human nature to wonder what really happened. Do we think LK and RG are fine upstanding citizens? Well.no. There have been no facts introduced to support that.

Oh, I forgot. In the first thread, all the real hatefulness was from SW . People quoted her. And she was nasty. So go hate on her.

Look at the threads after the first one. They were so nasty I would read a bit as a lurker then leave for weeks or months.

The later threads have been comparatively much less nasty.

[erinmeri]

@CanteringCarrot

Also, do not drive around with a shovel in your vehicle.

I’m guilty then - camp shovel in my Prius for snow days. It’s not even a farm vehicle!

@Ambitious_Kate

Not without duct tape and plastic contractor’s bags, ya dummy. Sheesh.

Have both those, too. And a hack saw. Yikes for me! Then again, I might already be on their radar due to the wrench in my purse I was questioned about by NYC government building security a few weeks back (it’s still there). LOL

@Brown_Derby

I have a bad boy knife, ropes, fire extinguisher and a stuffed possum in my truck.

Explain please the possum.