Beginning to look for a puppy / future running partner

Would she consider a field-type spaniel? My friend has a English cocker field spaniel cross the is the ultimate running dog. Lots of happy/forward but non-neurotic energy that can go all pretty much all day long as far as we can tell and with excellent and endless enthusiasm. His coat is actually quite minimal. Moderately feathered ears/legs but his body hair is very thin/fine and takes zero grooming. Nothing like an American cocker spaniel, in any sense, and also nothing like a confirmation-bred English Cocker with their huge puffy long hair coats, either. Those are the only field or cocker-type spaniels that most people have ever seen, unfortunately, so they only have that reference in their head.

It will be hard to find, honestly, because I have zero existing connections for what is already a relatively rare and niche type of dog breed that exists only in field-trial and hunting dog circles. Some would be too drivey, etc. But I really hope to find a nice athletic pet field bred cocker type for myself next. I know I can’t recreate my friend’s super cool little dog, but I was previously unaware of them at all and would have never even thought to consider one. I am definitely looking along those lines now!

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Does she actually run with an English Cocker? I would think they would be a bit too small for a long running companion.

This is a great suggestion. A Britney spaniel or the like would be perfect, or even a Nova Scotia duck tolling retriever.

Ftr, the dog won’t be running marathons—the dog is for company and to deter weirdos on training runs of several miles a few times a week. Sometimes at dawn, sometimes at night when it’s cooler. She is careful not to establish a routine and mostly uses a few of the local trail systems.

Ok, well, my answer doesn’t really change. Not too small, not too big, not too hairy.

A GSP would do the job well. Scary looking enough with a loud bark, rugged and athletic, bred to work with a handler…and could run 3 miles or 20 miles with training.

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In 1976 my brother had a very sweet and very small GSP , the ones I notice now are all much bigger, which my daughter would like. I’ll pass along the suggestion–thanks.

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Our first Australian Shepherd loved to run but struggled with the heat. I’d consider a shorter haired dog and be prepared to blanket it in the winter. Our current Aussie is super athletic off leash but lies down in the middle of the road when we try to take her running. My husband the marathoner was very disappointed about that!

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Whatever the breed, it is worth buying a puppy from breeders that have had the parents OFA certified for soundness, elbows X-rayed, perhaps even DNA tested for genetic problems like heart or eye issues. Some breeds are well known for health issues, you want to avoid buying problems. I find buying dogs that match the breed standards, not too big or too small, seem to do better than dogs bred “following current breed extremes” of the show ring.

Corgi dogs weighing 30+ pounds are not the best choice for running mates, too much weight on bones going distances. But a 20 pound Corgi can go and go, still bring in the cows. Can’t pant off the heat of all that big body.and work too. 100 pound German Shepherds are NOT going to hold up over the long miles, when breed standards want much less weight. They are not as agile as a working dog. Just using these breeds as examples, every breed has issues, ask folks who own them for details if you have never had that breed.

We have been “picky” in choosing our puppies, which is repaid with healthy animals, that stay sound into their later years of 12 to 14. OFA testing is done when dog is older, bones are mature. So good boned, properly built parents are more likely to produce sound puppies. Puppies inherit what the parents give them. Of course testing costs money so breeders have to charge more for puppies to break even on costs. A winning show record tells you the dog meets breed standards when inspected by breed experts. Doesn’t always mean smart, just that dog has a good body! Ha ha You want a dog that will last more than a few years, some breeds are quite short lived. Danes, Wolfhounds, big breeds, some lines of Golden Retrievers, especially the beefier dogs. Early neutering of these big breeds will affect size and bone development, making them weedy, less bone, overly tall without proper substance because they lacked hormones during longer body growth. Seen that in action.

Of course I am generalizing, there are ALWAYS exceptions to every example. But it pays off to take your time selecting breeds and individuals. Check out parent dogs, health histories, before settling for your new friend. You will be living together for a LONG TIME, so choosE carefully.

Working and Herding breeds were made to travel, stay sound in work. They are made to work WITH their people, follow direction, get praise rewards from their people. They SHOULD want to please you, be obedient, not be diverted by other things around them if you train them. They are usually VERY smart, can be creative if not well exercised and directed. I prefer them over Hunting breeds made to search for game/prey with excellent noses or sight. Good hunting dogs focus on hunting when out and about. Hounds may like you but they like hunting better, easily ignore directions and you.

So you need to look at what the breed was created to do best, decide if you can manage such a dog. Many breeds are “stubborn, bull-headed, no quit” because a quitter was disposed of. Whether it was jumping in cold water ALL day to fetch ducks, geese or going head-to-head with angry cattle, resistant sheep that needed moving, dog could not give up. Does make it harder training them out of that setting.

Hope your daughter finds a nice new friend!

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EXCELLENT post, bears repeating!!! :clap: :raised_hands:

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Love your post, @goodhors, hear hear!

I’m frequently amazed, though, how often this isn’t true:

Backyard breeders often charge SO MUCH for their dogs, despite no titles and no or very minimal health screening. It’s not unusual to pay the same (or less!) for a nice puppy from a responsible breeders. Blows my mind!

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I know someone who runs marathons with her Australian Cattle Dog. Their medium size, short coat, and endless energy makes them good running partners.

(This will be the only time you ever see me recommending someone own a cattle dog unless they are herding 100 head of cattle)

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Appreciate your thoughts, thanks! She’s in a few running groups, and many of those folks run with their dogs. Is it called cano cross, the sport of running with your dog? That seems to be a possible direction she’ll take, as plain old marathons aren’t as novel for her now.

A cattle dog would be perfect! Plus you won’t find a better lifelong friend.

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LOL I just recommended one too…mine don’t herd cattle but they are truly the best farm/active life dogs.

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Emphasis on active!

With most of the wickedly smart herding breeds, if you don’t give them a job, they will assign themselves one. And you probably won’t like what they choose. :joy:

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great way to put it :joy: Mine have chosen the job of herding me out the door every time I leave the house lol

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Agree 100%.

The designer dog “greeders” nearly always charge more than puppies from health-tested, titled parents. And if they do any testing, they do a $100 cheek swab for Embark and call it “health testing” when five minutes of research would explain how that doesn’t actually test for the most common genetic problems in most breeds (dysplasia, heart, eyes, thyroid, epilepsy). If it was that easy, why would anyone bother with the other tests?

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I’m a pretty serious runner (40+ miles a week, though I know many of you run more). I have always had small dogs I’d walk as part of my cooldown or cross training. When seriously running with a dog, how do people go about conditioning and managing the endurance workload with their own training?

The people I know who have trained for marathons with their dogs (I know it’s not the OP’s need, btw) had Aussie crosses and mutts. They really weren’t chosen to be running partners; the dogs just kind of took to it!

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My vote is with the Dalmatian. Mine could clock off the miles … of course it was with me driving the car! him running along roadside :rofl: He was my friend, my protector and my horse riding buddy my college years thru my 20’s.

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I have a friend that takes her Doberman trail riding for miles and miles along with her mule through state parks and the dog does very well.

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