Did anybody notice that FC didnt look totally sound on the right hind in the Post parade? He looked like he was hitching and short on just that side…
wierd. I was totally bummed.
A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men…
FairWeather
CANTER West Virginia
Better comparison might be between “formula 1 racing” and “world class rallying”. Or “formula one racing” and “indy racing”.
Or “Les vinght quatre heurs du Mans”.
Not “the same” but lots of overlap.
Janet
chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle, and Brain
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And “Soup from the Store” - when I first read your post re: FC not being in the same class as some of the past great horses, it was not clear to me that you only meant as TC winners. It really did sound as tho you were knocking FC and being a bit snotty.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This is exactly what I thought, too. That Soup was saying Funny Cide has no class and is a piece of sh** just because he ran 3rd in the Belmont.
Soup, the problem isn’t what you are saying. Your information and experience is wonderful, but some people get put off by the tone you use sometimes.
“The power of acute observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.” - George Bernard Shaw
Thanks for a mature and well thought-out response, Soup. 
As far as CMB’s thread, there were some personal dymanics going on there between several posters that extend way outside the scope of just what was posted. It isn’t that they were allowed to be nasty because the posters were older; it was more that there was so much more going on than what was readily apparent and innocent bystanders, myself included, decided to stay out of it.
But don’t worry, I call out adults for being mean, too. It is not limited to those younger than me. I am all about equal-opportunity. 
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SERAPH:
I just thought Santos would/could have greater control over Funny Cide. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Control?! 
The best lesson I ever had in the racehorse world was from some trainer who told me “only God is in control.”
I got to start from a gate a few times (on a real loser). I was told to grab mane and make sure I didn’t fall off. Now of course I’m no Santos, but I’ll never forget the experience. Horse bouncing around the gate, the noise, the leap out of the gate (and I was on a dog!!), the dirt, the pain in my legs and back, the other horses (and riders) bumping into me, my fingers stuck in the mane, the reins that felt like they were 3 inches wide (I think it was actually 1.5 inches wide) and just trying to keep my balance (and go straight). Of course Santos does this for a living, but he ain’t no spring chicken, he has a real head-strong colt and any youngster is gonna react to that crowd, the noise, the rain, the tension…
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Soup From the Store:
Thank You Master Tally for what appears to be putting words in my mouth. I had no idea I said all that! (MT’s response:… be careful assuming and stating that people don’t know anything. You are not the only one on the board who knows racing"). Wow, did I really say that?
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Not putting words in your mouth, simply paraphrasing those that you have spoken. And yes, you did really say that.
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Why get so fussy over something you know next to nothing about?
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In regards to your age… no one is knocking your knowledge. In fact, I think you have quite a bit of it. However, the condescening manner in which you choose to disseminate that knowledge and address the members of this board makes your age very obvious. That is why it is brought up constantly. There are plenty of teenage posters on this board who never have their age mentioned. Why? Because they craft their messages in a thoughtful and considerate manner that doesn’t require them to become defensive, backpedal and make apologies. I encourage you to do the same.
I find it fascinating that, as experienced horse people, we still all saw different things. I, too, noticed that Funny Cide was cross cantering for a prolonged period of time and wondered at it. I also commented to my SO, a non-horse person, that Funny Cide went to the front and - in my eyes - was being held rather strongly. The body position of Santos was upright and almost leaning back. If there was urging, I didn’t see it. My caveat, of course, is that I’m not a race person so what do I know. Interesting discussion and observations, though.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Anne FS:
There’s a thread on this Racing forum called Funny Cide Wins the Preakness, and that thread has discussion on FC’s multiple lead changes. People counted 13 lead swaps for him in that race and several people commented on it, so it’s not something he just did on Saturday.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
FC switched leads from his right to his left in deep stretch in the Derby and the Preakness. Otherwise he switched leads at the usual spots,into and out of the turns.
In the Belmont he was switching and cross-firing(cross cantering) out of the gate and into the first turn and down the backstretch. In the stretch he switched leads from right to left,then back to right near the wire.
Hopefully,all the switching in the Belmont was due to the slop.
Thank You Master Tally for what appears to be putting words in my mouth. I had no idea I said all that! (MT’s response:… be careful assuming and stating that people don’t know anything. You are not the only one on the board who knows racing"). Wow, did I really say that?
And I assume nothing actually.
I love most all aspects of horses in sport and pleasure. I even love my pony who isn’t much sport or pleasure. And I thoroughly enjoy watching others in their sports. When something’s good, it’s good…even mule pulls are neat. Mule pulls, dressage, mini’s, jumping, endurance, racing, drafts, eventing, steeplchasing…I stand by my apples & oranges statement. And it’s OK w/ me if you disagree. And I make no apologies for my age either, just for getting snippy (understatement) earlier. Anyway, 17 year olds have not cornered the market on showing back-sides, wish we could leave age out of it. I’ll probably show mine again before I’m 80, especially if I’ve missed my nap. 
J
Licensed Fjord Jockey and collector of bobbleheads.
Soup from the Store—I appologize to Santos and his trainer and entourage if I falsely accused; I am by no means an expert on horse racing but I do know quite a bit about riding jumpers and event horses. I do know something about rating a horse.
However, after looking at other reasonable posts by other people (one MUST understand how incredibly disappointed I was at Funny Cide’s race) I am willing to say perhaps I was hasty in my assertations. Afterall, though I’ve had horses off the track and have galloped them out, I’ve never raced. Therefore, perhaps I do not fully understand the power of the race horse and how he can haul you, no matter what (and especially in the precarious position of the jockey) to where he wants to go!
I still feel that had Funny Cide been controlable as in the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness he would have won…he had more heart than any other horse out there, IMHO.
And that is why Secretariat’s owner wanted to give them his overgirth…she knows a legend when she sees one.
“The world needs Dreamers and the world needs Doers;
But above all, the world needs Dreamer’s who Do.”
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Fairview:
It’s been said on this post about 30 times Funny Cide was trying to bolt, and Santos was having a time holding him. Hope that helps.
J
Licensed Fjord Jockey and collector of bobbleheads.
Empire Maker and Ten Most Wanted did look terrific, though. Congratulations to their people and their bettors!
Gotta be happy for Jerry Bailey though. Before today he had won one Belmont in 17 tries.
What a great race!!! I would love to have seen Funny Cide win, but as is always said about racing…anything can happen.
I think we can look forward to seeing those 3 go up against each other again!
“Member of the Western clique”
All gave some…And some gave all…God bless the USA
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Soup From the Store:
On Belmont day, Empire Maker was just the better horse. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agreed with a heavy heart. That isn’t to knock Funny Cide whom I still find to be a real thrill with gobs of personality and I have been loudly cheering (and betting on) all along.
No second guesses, no what if’s - just accepting of the outcome and enjoying what he and the Tagg Team has done. They came so far and did so much! For everyone else I say just savor from this thrilling chase over the last five weeks all the fun it brought back to horse racing for many fans and fair weather spectators.
Funny Cide can hold his head up high and I for one strongly look forward to seeing him in person in August at Saratoga and the Tavers Stakes!
I could tell around the far turn that FC wasn’t gonna beat Empire Maker. Jose Santos was already riding with his arms, and the jockey on Empire Maker was so still yet, not asking a thing from his horse.
Empire Maker, by the way, is GORGEOUS.
I am just bummed, I guess. I know someone has to win, but wouldn’t you think that the trainers of the other horses in the race would WANT a triple crown winner, for their sport? LOL you can tell by that comment that I am NOT involved in racing!
Edited to remove stupid comment LOL
>^.,.^<
~~Linda
~Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake.~
[This message was edited by Adelita on Jun. 07, 2003 at 11:23 PM.]
Sorry, Master Tally, if that didn’t come through as I meant (about making comments about something you know next to nothing about).
But some of the posts really DID show that the person posting knew nothing about horse racing, but was making quick, irrational and some downright silly accusations.
I don’t go on dressage forums talking about how badly a rider rode a horse, because I don’t know anything about it. I have NO idea what I’m looking at, plain and simple.
You might also wonder why I got so nasty: You didn’t see this, but I had been getting some pretty nasty private topics and was a tad fed up.
Master Tally: “However, the condescening manner in which you choose to disseminate that knowledge and address the members of this board makes your age very obvious. That is why it is brought up constantly.” Okay, I agree, I could be nicer and will try. But did anyone see some of the posts on the topic from CallMyBluff Farm’s post about starting a racehorse rescue organization? I think some of them sounded twelve. Actually, just petty. But, I guess since they are older, they are allowed.
And with that, that’s the last I am posting on this subject. Otherwise we’ll be stuck going in circles and this thread will get way longer than it should be.
J
Licensed Fjord Jockey and collector of bobbleheads.
[This message was edited by Soup From the Store on Jun. 12, 2003 at 05:19 PM.]
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Anne FS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dressager:
Also, Secretariat has always been my favorite, but someone once told me he wasn’t anything special. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Who told you that? They’re nuts. Nuts and WRONG.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Obviously someone who didn’t witness his win at the Belmont.
“Never trust a man in a blue trench coat, never drive a car when you’re dead.” Tom Waits
Personally I had one of those, sinking in the gut oh darn it’s not going to happen again feelings when I first turned on my TV and saw him being led to the paddock. Ears were relaxed to the point of flopping. Then he didn’t look all that right in the post, as others have mentioned the counter cantering and then the oddness to his gait behind. COUld be nothing, could have been a big deal.
As far as taking him to the front, looking at the way Santos was riding, high in the stirrups and holding hard, I don’t think he had much of a choice. Perhaps we BBer’s should not critisize the people behind this wonderful horse, since in reality few can really know anything concrete. It’s pretty easy to be the peanut gallery and thorw opinions around. That being said, I’m going to offer up my two cents I do not think he was robbed of his TC chance, he just was bested by another classy colt.
My hat’s are off to the trainers of all three colts, FC, TMW, EM. Funny thing, guy in my dorm made a prediction back in April which, seeing as he was more than a little drunk at the time, I brushed off as rambling. “Horses, I know horses. For the Triple Crown it’s Funny Cide, Funny Cide, and Ten Most Wanted!” Dang if it didn’t almost happen too…
Well excuse me for being blunt.
Here’s the way I look at it: A lot of you may find what I say to be arrogant, but I never posted I was an expert. When I said it’s hard to analyze the sport without being an expert, that’s exactly what I meant. I didn’t say, “Without being an expert like ME ME ME!”.
And I think it’s dumb (you know who you are) when I said I didn’t think Funny Cide was in the same class as past Triple Crown winners, and people get all mad at me for it. That’s stupid.
Another point: I like eventing, but I know nothing about it. I enjoy surfing the different eventing forums and sometimes posting questions, but I’m not about to go all out and say what I thought should have been done, because plain and simple, I don’t know what I’m looking at.
Why get so fussy over something you know next to nothing about?
J
Licensed Fjord Jockey and collector of bobbleheads.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sprite:
While not a Triple Crown winner, and therefore technically not in the same league as Affirmed, Seattle Slew etc…
being in the same league as Sunday Silence, Northern Dancer, and Silver Charm ain’t all bad
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Heheh, good point
J
Licensed Fjord Jockey and collector of bobbleheads.
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