Ben, Jan and Amy Ebeling Named in Sexual Assault Civil Suit

You are quite out of touch with reality imho. It is NEVER enough to just be obliquely aware of the safety of minors on ones property. This goes for equestrian barns, sleep always, and any other activity involving minors. Add to that, recent “majors” 18 to 20ish years of age also need protection, as they are susceptible to manipulative behaviours of self serving individuals…

Time and time again CH, you push the envelope beyond what I would consider common decency. When you’re called out on it, you react by being apparently clueless. Flag away at my comments to get them removed. If COTH succumbs to the bullying draped in apparent cluelessness, I have no issues with being banned from this forum. I will wear it as a badge of honour. My fiery chestnut mare sport horse awaits me, she is so much more fun than CH and her ilk… It’s fun in real time, try it, you might like it.

If COTH forums can tolerate what CH ascribes to (ie every youth is on their own in a perv barn), well I salute you with my middle one.

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Well said, @Wilbury_Pie.

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Really bolded. Quite the opposite. Please stop putting words in my mouth. It was pointed out to me that the basis for the negligence claim is the allegation that the Ebelings knew or should have known that their son had a pattern of behavior of grooming and of sexual abuse. If that’s true, and they can prove it, I think JD has an excellent chance of prevailing on the negligence claim against the Ebelings.

Re second bolded, I never said that. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

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You have implied both, repeatedly.

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Re bolded. I never said anything like that. To claim that I did is laughable. If you think what I actually wrote, which is entirely different, “pushes the limits of common decency”, then flag the supposedly offensive post. In the meantime, please stop putting words in my mouth.

The basis for the negligence claim is that the Ebelings knew or should have known of a pattern of behavior. Even if the Ebelings had day to day supervision well stricter than the norm, I think they would still be held liable if indeed they knew or should have known of the alleged pattern of behavior.

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No I haven’t. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

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Cowgirl - interesting article on parental responsibility especially given the California references.
Re RD, agree bad judgement. While I suspect there will be no official repercussions as he has no official role, it wouldn’t be surprising if some people vote with their feet.

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You have accused me of this as well when I have done no such thing. Food for thought: When people are consistently receiving your words to mean something that you claim you do not intend, then perhaps it is time to rethink your words.

Edited to add second quote. Edited again to add third use of a favored phrase.

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Instead of calling out any one post (there have been several), this is for those who are pointing out some significance that the girl returned to train at the same farm for “some months”, and only later changed trainers and barns. As if this matters, as if it indicates something about the seriousness (even veracity) of what happened.

So what if she did stay at the barn?

This is so effing classic. She’s the victim, and she has to allow her life to be destroyed to prove that she’s the victim? She has to lose things that are deeply important to her, that she has worked for years to experience. To show that what happened matters.

Meanwhile he just goes on his merry way doing as he has always done. While the long process to deliver consequences meanders on - or doesn’t.

Traumatic events do not have to mean that a victim must immediately cut off some of the best and/or important part of their lives.

Victims should not have to quit their job or studies or hobby or sport, quit participating in extended family events, just quit key parts of their life solely because that is where something horribly traumatic happened.

A victim has the right to manage her feelings and separate them from the setting, so that she can maintain her own quality of life in that setting if she chooses.

The traumatic event is separate. It came from one evil individual, not from the setting, location or activity itself. That evil individual is where the consequences should fall, not on the victim.

If the victim has been engaged in this activity for years, if she worked to be in this situation of development and growth and fun social experiences, and make the most of it … why is she the one who has to lose it?

Taking the barn away from her punishes her for being a victim and for reporting it to her parents.

This is precisely why so many underage victims will not tell anyone. They don’t want their own lives turned upside down, they don’t want to lose what’s important to them, as the consequence of reporting something they didn’t ask to happen to them.

It seems that her parents wisely allowed her to make the choice. I celebrate her poise and courage to manage continuing on at the same barn and not ruin her summer by being forced out by this horrible event that she did not control.

In some cases a victim may prefer to avoid being in that situation again. A victim may prefer to never return. But it should not be required that they cut important activities out of their life, just so people will take what happened seriously.

Think of a key roadway that you use constantly, that would greatly inconvenience you if it were not available. If you have a serious accident on that roadway, do you never drive on it again? Do you drive a mile out of the way every day to many ordinary destinations?

If it is best for you to avoid it, then of course that’s alright. But you aren’t required to stay away. If you can separate your feelings about the accident from your standard commute, then keep driving on that roadway and keep your life on track as you have always done.

Many decades ago when LE and social agencies began acknowledging family child abuse situations, at first they were removing the victim child from the home to ‘keep them safe’. The child lost their home, often lost access to the other parent, to their siblings and their friends, lost so many things that made up their life. The perpetrator just kept living his life at home as usual. The agencies figured out that this was punishing the child for the abuse, and for reporting the abuse. It was the abuser who needed to be removed, not the child.

It is the same consequences to the victim in this case if she is involuntarily removed from something she may consider to be her best situation. In effect punishing her because she was a victim and because she told her parents. (Assuming this happened, maybe it didn’t.)

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Also, if she owned a horse in the barn, she would not want the horse’s life impacted. That alone might be enough for her to keep on going, keep head down and not say anything at the time. Feeling a lack of safety will do that to a person.

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You answered your own question. Where is he? And other’s? Hopefully gone.

At this point. There must have been a police report. It is insanity if there has not been multiple reports.

I was reminded of this case as it has been brought up in FB comments under his show results.
Looks like case is still moving forward.
https://www.ventura.courts.ca.gov/CivilCaseSearch/CaseReport/56-2022-00567513-CU-NP-VTA

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I do not understand why he’s not under a temporary ban by SafeSport until the case plays out.

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I don’t either. I think they should be.

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It is strange. There was a safesport report filed, no?

I don’t have a source but I think I recalled that the witness decided not to file a complaint

Safesport has failed hundreds of SA victims. I could list numerous cases here not only in the equestrian sports, but also in fencing, skating, swimming, and most horrendously, in gymnastics where the perpetrators were not held accountable at all . They have bungled so many cases that hundreds of athletes are accusing Safesport of only existing to protect the NGO’s and not the victims.
As far as I’ve heard, crazy as it may seem, the Safesport case on this one is still open! But because they haven’t made a final decision on it, he is seen as technically ‘in good standing’. Meaning, free to go on and pretend it didn’t happen and free to not face accountability.
Perhaps the sway of a particular senator who used to be highly involved in the Olympics and his dressage sponsoring wife has something to do with this. It wouldn’t be the first time that a person of influence makes backdoor deals with Safesport.

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You bring up interesting scenarios that create a few questions.
Have the hundreds of athletes officially accused Safe Sport in court for only existing to protect NGO’s ?
What is the status of their complaints ?

Where have you heard that the Safe Sport case involving Ben Ebeling is still open ?

What is your source for the “sway” of a senator and his wife in the Ebeling case ?
Or Is it your assumption that they are involved in some way.

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If that is true, it’s awful to contemplate. But how do you know this for fact?

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