Benchmark Sporthorses?

I’ve had a couple of horses in my barn (as boarders) that came from Benchmark Sporthorses. I got one from Jess, but it was before she started running Benchmark as it is now, and she was still a CANTER volunteer but her assessment on the phone helped me decide to get him.

I believe she represents the horses honestly. She discloses anything she knows about. She knows how to get amazing video and photos to show the horses to their best. She encourages people to do PPEs and after that, it’s horses. Some work out, some don’t. I do like an OTTB, but they are not for everyone.

Her horses usually move faster than I’d get there for myself these days, and the market is so hot (aka crazy expensive), I’m super glad I’m not actually shopping.

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I haven’t bought anything from Jess but know many that have, and they’ve all had great experiences. I’ve reached out to her about a few over the years and she was always super honest and helpful. If she knows about it, you know about it. I would highly recommend Benchmark to anyone.

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Piggybacking off this comment because I couldn’t have said it better. I know a handful of people who have bought from Jess. Some of them have worked out, others have not. I don’t think any one is at fault. I do think she genuinely does try to do right by the horses and ultimately that’s what matters.

Also this. Stacy actually had one that was in my pipeline (I am not a flipper or a professional, i just have some good connections) that I followed and she represented that horse 110% honestly.

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I feel like she has a mixed reputation locally. I know people who have purchased from her and are happy with their horses, and I have a good friend who purchased from her that had a pretty bad experience. She’s very vocal on social media and has a decent following (including people who haven’t actually bought from her or not in the area… just followers) and tends to go on the defense pretty quickly. She had already posted about this thread a few days ago.

I think as long as anyone buying understands that some of the horses have only been with her for days, or sometimes even hours… and adjust their expectations accordingly. It’s basically the same security as buying directly from the track but with a far higher price tag.

If your friend wants OTTBs that have been evaluated more and have a safety net/return policy in the area i’d have her check out Mid Atlantic Horse Rescue, After the Races or Maui Meadows

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I have no dog in this fight, but I always find FB rants like that a bit in bad taste (irregardless of who posts them). Sure comments were made on the forum, but businesses have to handle that not all comments will be gushing about them. And I don’t think anything in this thread was especially negative or unkind.

The end of the story is Benchmark’s business model will work for some buyers and not work for others and thats ok. Clearly they are running a good business and have more positive reviews than negative.

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Agreed. No one here put her on blast for no apparent reason.

I have purchased one of hers and I’m happy enough with her. But I know, through common sense, that a horse you’ve had for less than a week is not a horse you know extensively or “well”.

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I really didn’t find her FB post all that bothersome. Yes she has a following, but that is also her personal FB page. Yes, she mostly posts related to the business but not exclusively (also lots of cats). She didn’t share it to the Benchmark Sporthorses page nor did she go on some lengthy tirade about being wronged. Sounds like she had a crappy start to her week separate from this thread and it’s not like she hasn’t expressed frustration about the “people” side of the business before. Maybe I’m just so accustomed to absolutely unhinged behavior from a lot of folks that her “rant” didn’t even faze me.

I’ve purchased one horse from Jess, in 2019, and am happy with the purchase. The horse I bought was one who didn’t fit well into her program (cute but very “young” for a 4yo and nervous, needed time to grow up and just wasn’t loving the sales environment). She was brusque in communication but represented him extremely honestly and gave me a killer deal on the price. I can see how someone could interpret it as being brushed off (I think her first message in response to me was “that’s a long haul” when I said I wanted the horse and where I live) but I just interpreted it as “busy af and used to tire kickers.” I will likely reach out to her as my first port of call the next time I’m shopping.

I don’t think her prices are even remotely unrealistic or high–if anything I am surprised they’ve stayed as low as they have. But I am on the West Coast where there are horses being listed for $5-7k still on the track. You can certainly find them cheaper, but not often the types of quality horses that Benchmark sells, and definitely not with the benefit of having someone ship it, stall it, clip it, get new shoes on it, put a ride on it, etc.

Having watched her business explode over the last decade, I understand that there are aspects of it that would be offputting for folks. It’s definitely different from a program that spends 6-8 months+ with the horses developing them, and I think she’s pretty darn up front about that. I think she also comes very much from a “pro” perspective of what is fixable or not or what is a big deal or not vs what many of us one-or-two horse amateurs can live with or fret about. I do think that if she knows about it, the buyer will know about it. But there is stuff that can and will come up and go totally undetected or seem super minor until it isn’t. And at the end of a day, it’s a sales program, not a rescue or rehab program a la some of the CANTER programs, MAHR, ATR, etc. One of the more ethical sales barns I’ve ever seen, IMO, but nevertheless her business is selling horses. Part of that is seeing potential and trying to express it to buyers in such a way that they can possibly see it, too.

I also empathize with the folks who wound up with horses that were unsound or unsuitable in some way. Horses are heartbreakers and buying any horse is a gamble, but often those of us buying horses like the ones Benchmark lists are buying based off hopes for what we can accomplish with the horse. It’s a hard pill to swallow when those hopes go belly up, whether very quickly or years later, and it’s easy to second guess everything that led up to it.

Ultimately, I would gladly buy another from Benchmark and hope to do so in the future. But I would also go in being clear in my communication that I am ready to buy NOW, be willing to ping her a couple times, and expect honesty but not a lot of chit chat. And knowing that if the horse showed up and had an unexpected issue down the line, I would be the one footing the bill–some of my more affluent friends have purchased from some higher-end (add a couple zeros to the horse prices) programs that allowed them to return the horses when something unexpected came up within a few months of purchase, but that’s not the program Benchmark is. Good luck to your friend while she shops!

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What a very kind and polite manner you have when totally gaslighting people’s experiences you know nothing about!

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Can you please explain why you consider this gas-lighting? I found it a very relatable statement based on my own experience w/ buying OTTBs. Who’s gotten what they wanted? :raising_hand_woman: Who has been disappointed and saddened :raising_hand_woman: no shame. horses are a crap shoot.

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What an odd response. I think the idea of heartbreak after a horse purchase is incredibly relatable (regardless of whether you purchased a young ottb from a sales barn or otherwise).

I agree with everything @barnesthenoble said. I haven’t purchased a horse from Jess, but I did try some of her horses and she was nothing but helpful and professional. And ultimately, the horse I ended up buying at the time who was not a green ottb ended up having serious health issues and in hindsight I wish I had taken a gamble on one of Jess’s! Horses are a crap shoot for sure.

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You’re certainly entitled to feel that way, but it comes from a place of having purchased a different OTTB (NOT from Jess, and local) that came with undisclosed issues and which I wound up euthanizing at the ripe old age of 5 years old. After 18 months of rehab and trying to fix him and discovering new things that hurt and dangerous behaviors as a result.

I really don’t understand your response, but…again you’re entitled to feel that way. :woman_shrugging:

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The post does share a universal truth: horses are a gamble. I can see how someone with a negative experience with this business could also read the post as dismissive to some of the concerns shared here about how the business is run – which is a totally distinct complaint from OTTBs being a risk.

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It wasn’t my intention by a longshot, but intention doesn’t override impact etc etc. It comes from a place of having had my heart broken by horses that weren’t as disclosed or by stuff that nobody could have seen coming.

I can’t speak to a negative experience with Jess because I haven’t had one. I do feel for the folks who have, in whatever form it came to be.

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thank you - this helps

What on earth do you mean?

Horses are a crapshoot. You can vet a horse thoroughly and it dies of colic a week later, bows a tendon the week you have it home, or has something else missed on a PPE. It happens. We have our hopes and dreams and then those dreams die. It’s horses.

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Just want to weigh in on Jess and Benchmark. Two thumbs up from us who purchased what was her most expensive horse sold to date after only a couple post track ride. His price meant we could actually come ride him before he was sold LOL. He is absolutely wonderful and would happily shop w her again. We have a number of clients and friends who have all purchased. Most have worked out - a few were not a good fit w the situation and were moved into better situations. Buying green horses is a crap shoot and I do believe she does her best to fairly represent the horses she has for sale. Now those girls who ride for her? So much more skilled than probably 98% of the people who are shopping. That may be why some are buying horses that might be a bit above their skill set IMO.

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I tried reaching out to her once back in 2020 when I was horse shopping and definitely felt the brief and brisk nature of her responses was not for me. And that’s fine. I’m the type of buyer/seller that prefers to have a nice phone chat about the horse and get to know the other person. Seems that she’s pretty busy and is also probably used to getting bombarded with questions from tire kickers. So I just decided to look elsewhere. She does have a lot of nice horses though.

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I didn’t call (message, whatever) about a horse I very much liked that she had recently, because I was pretty put off by the posts I had seen basically complaining about buyers.

I have an excellent situation for horses, have been riding for a long time, produced many and have the resources to provide an excellent life and training for whatever horse(s) I acquire. I also want to SEE the horse and get a sense of them without just seeing a video with cuts in it. I’m not a fan of the implication that serious buyers buy sight unseen and anyone else is a tirekicker who doesn’t know horses. So, I’m not the target client and that’s fine, no need to waste anyone’s time.

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Yeah… I think when you have 11,000 FB followers and good marketing photos/videos of horses at the lower end of the price range, you kind of have to expect that you’ll be bombarded with inquiries. I bet the sheer volume explains a lot of the brusqueness other posters have mentioned. I also suspect she always replies first to those with whom she’s had previous positive transactions, which to me is a rational way to cut down on stress even if it sucks for first-time buyers who are serious.

Personally when I’m selling I try not to think of anyone as a “tire kicker” because there are SO many reasons why someone might inquire about a horse and then lose interest based on the answers or their life circumstances or whatever.

ETA: deleted my previous post because this showed up as a reply to somebody else for whatever reason…

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I really can’t fathom how she can work full time AND even sort through the chaos that must be her Facebook messages.

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