Can you please cite your sources for the above statements other than what the EU has chosen to do or numerous lawsuits filed in the US? One can choose to use other herbicides if one wishes. As I said, always READ THE LABEL and follow all the information on the label.
Glyphosate is the active ingredient in Roundup.
I’ll be round upping the heck out of my fence lines. The volume of poison I’ll be using is down right laughably minuscule compared to what’s used in real ag application. I live in the midst of round up ready row crops.
Bermudagrass is not a broadleaf and is not susceptible to 2,4-d or the vast majority of herbicides approved for use in pastures.
OP, I second (third?) the recommendation to keep trying to get in touch with your local Extension office. They may have reduced hours or staffing due to COVID, but the effort will be worth it. You can get hands-on help from someone with the education and experience to help you evaluate and manage your particular pasture.
I may have not been correct in making a statement that makes it sound like bermudagrass is a broadleaf plant.
On the other hand, glyphosate is effective at killing bermudagrass.
From the Roundup Original label
Product Description: This product is a postemergent, systemic herbicide with no soil residual activity. It is generally non-selective and gives broad-spectrum control of many annual weeds, perennial weeds, woody brush and trees. It is formulated as a water-soluble liquid. It may be applied through most standard industrial or field-type sprayers after dilution and thorough mixing with water or other carriers according to label instructions.
When reading the label, bermudagrass is mentioned a number of times as plant that can be suppressed with Roundup. However, the OP should read the label to make sure Roundup can be used in her environment and is suitable for planned use.
Also from the label in bold lettering
AVOID CONTACT OF HERBICIDE WITH FOLIAGE, GREEN STEMS, EXPOSED NON-WOODY ROOTS OR FRUIT OF CROPS (EXCEPT AS SPECIFIED FOR INDIVIDUAL ROUNDUP READY® CROPS), DESIRABLE PLANTS AND TREES, BECAUSE SEVERE INJURY OR DESTRUCTION MAY RESULT.
Not all products recommended on this label are registered for use in California. Check the registration status of each product in California before using.
Read the entire label before using this product. Use only according to label instructions.
It is a violation of Federal law to use this product in any manner inconsistent with its labeling
FWIW, the document I linked to is 21 pages long.
AFAIK, glyphosate is a non-selective herbicide, and will kill both broadleaf plants and turf grasses.
2,4-D does not generally kill grasses, but does get broadleaf weeds.
Glyphosate is NOT 2,4-d and is NOT recommended for controlling pasture weeds, as it will kill virtually all vegetation. Pasture herbicides are selective for broadleaf weeds vs. grasses. They will, however, kill legumes like clover and alfalfa.
I believe the OP’s reference to Roundup was regarding clearing fence rows, not controlling weeds inside the pasture itself.
All I have said and will continue to say is READ THE LABEL. It is not my place to tell someone what herbicide they should use. Even when I suggested glyphosate as a method of controlling bermudagrass, I said READ THE LABEL. I am well aware that glyphosate is not the same as 2,4-d.
A county ag agent is a good resource on what herbicides may be appropriate for the desired effect.
No, that is not “all you said”. In the first post I quoted, you stated that “most” herbicides are non-specific and also called bermudagrass a broadleaf. Then you replied to my comment ABOUT 2,4-d by pointing out that glyphosate kills bermudagrass. Which is why multiple posters were led to believe that you didn’t understand the difference between the two chemicals.
No one is arguing that reading the label and getting advice from an expert is important in choosing an herbicide. We are disputing the incorrect information that you doubled down on.
You are saying that glyphosate doesn’t kill bermudagrass?
Now I am confused.
I am certainly no herbicide expert which I think we all agree on 
Most herbicides are non-specific in that they control types of plants; the manner in which they control plants and the list of plants is different for each herbicide. The person wanting ‘weed’ control does need to realize that any herbicide will control types of plants without knowing that one plant may be desirable and a different plant may not be desirable.
Right.
2, 4D to use in the pasture to try and knock back some weeds.
Round up or similar to clear the fence lines
I’m saying that your replying to my comment about 2,4,-d with information about glyphosate made it appear that you believed that 2,4,-d and glyphosate are the same chemical. Which they are not.
Sorry for the confusion. Yes, I am well aware, even before this discussion, that 2,4-d and glyphosate are not the same.
my guy as well!! Loves those little daisies and even the yellow sow thistles… he nips the flower buds!
and a comment IRT herbicides - the Ag agent might recommend Grazon. Be aware it is VERY persistent, and will stay in the ground and in your horse’s manure even after composting… and it will kill the tomatoes you put that manure on… as well as other broadleaf garden plants. 2,4-D is not that persistent. But do read the label!!
That is very good info about the Graze On. Particularly regarding the compost. Thank you for sharing!
All I gotta say is READ THE LABEL . From the Grazon label . This PDF is 9 pages long and definitely in a readable font.
- Restrictions in Hay or Manure Use:
- Do not use aminopyralid-treated plant residues, including hay orstraw from areas treated within the preceding 18-months, in compost,mulch or mushroom spawn.
- Do not use manure from animals that have grazed forage or eaten hayharvested from treated areas within the previous 3 days, in compost,mulch or mushroom spawn.
- Do not spread manure from animals that have grazed or consumedforage or hay from treated areas within the previous 3 days on landused for growing broadleaf crops.
- Manure from animals that have grazed forage or eaten hay harvestedfrom treated areas within the previous 3 days may only be used onpasture grasses, grass grown for seed, wheat and corn.
- Do not plant a broadleaf crop (including soybeans, sunflower,tobacco, vegetables, field beans, peanuts, and potatoes) in fields treated in the previous year with manure from animals that have grazed forage or eaten hay harvested from aminopyralid-treated areas until an adequately sensitive field bioassay is conducted to determine that the aminopyralid residues in the soil is at level that is not injurious to the crop to be planted.
- To promote herbicide decomposition, plant residues should be evenly incorporated in the surface soil or burned. Breakdown of aminopyralid in plant residues or manure is more rapid under warm, moist soil conditions and may be accelerated by supplemental irrigation.
I’ll have to do more label reading before I pick a herbicide for sure.
I’m hoping I can get the weed control applied well in advance of horses arriving and that mechanical weed control will be effective going forward (minus the fence lines). I had hoped to put out some rye grass seed last fall as it would have helped control some of the weed growth but I got distracted with all of the other pressing projects.
I used to be in the ‘don’t read the label’ crowd until I actually started reading labels… all kinds of pesticides… herbicides and insecticides. Not applying a pesticide according to the label is federal violation. There is a ton of information on the label (not the glossy thing on the front of the container). I now always search (usually ‘product name’ ‘label’ as the key words) and look for a more readable version of the label so I can understand everything I need to about the product.
I am more familiar with herbicides used in the urban environment (ie, not really always helpful here) but I have, more than once, seen someone with a plant that has been damaged by the mis-used of a herbicide 
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