Best Betta Setup?

Without quoting or debating, here are my personal opinions about the right tank and environment for a Betta and a person new to fishkeeping. :lol:

They need surface room, not up and down tanks, because they do breath air and are not strong swimmers. That hexagon tank above would not be good.

I don’t filter anything below 5 gallons for the reasons GotGait mentioned. When I do filter, I prefer a 10 G so the Betta has room to get away from the current. It also allows room for other fish. My favorite set up for beginners is an unfiltered 2.5 G that gets changed 2-3 times a week. It gives you time to focus on other things like how much to feed, remembering to add the dechlorinater and getting the water temperature right or just seeing how your fish behaves. It also gives you a “hospital” tank in case you ever need to medicate. Of course Bettas love more room but a properly managed 2.5 is worlds better than a poorly managed large one and it can be hard to get it right in the beginning. Maddening, in fact.

Cycling is NOT just putting the filter in, letting it run for a couple days and adding the fish. Ammonia (fish waste) is what starts the process and it can take weeks. If you don’t want to expose your fish to the spikes as it happens, you need to do a fishless cycle first (with pure ammonia, a cocktail shrimp or fish food) and test it every few days. When ammonia zeros out and nitrates go up, your tank is cycled and ready for fish.

A GOOD test kit is not optional for first timers. You have to know what’s going on with the water, filtered or not, so you know how often and in what amounts to change it. When ammonia shows up in your unfiltered, time to change the water. IF ammonia shows up in your filtered tank, something is wrong.

For the OP… I would get a 10 G, establish your plants, do a fishless cycle and get a feel for how to test and maintain it. There is no harm in having a Betta in a small tank (or even those cups if the water is clean) while you wait if the right one comes along sooner.

Bacardi1, I get what you are trying to say but there are many sites out there that say Bettas will be overwhelmed and DIE!!! in anything more than a gallon of water and that since they jump puddles in nature and breathe air, they thrive in murky water and survive on live plants. I say it’s better to ask for general info on a busy horse site than not know what fish sites are correct.

I found this tank which is 6.5 gallons. It’s a bit more expensive than I originally wanted to budget for a tank, but I like the surface area since from what I’ve been reading, Bettas prefer long and shallow vs narrow and deep. People also mentioned growing plants in there without a problem. I’m planning on ordering from Drs Foster and Smith for plants. The java fern seems to be a popular plant for betta tanks, and on the betta forum that was linked, some people are mentioning moss balls (although I checked and it seems moderate to high lighting is best?). Anyway, I’m really liking the tank I mentioned above for its size. The reviews mention the filter being noisy but I couldn’t care less about that, considering I sleep best with some sort of noise (and this tank will be in my bedroom).

I still need to read up on cycling the aquarium, but this tank should be big enough for it…correct? I could go up to 10 gallons but that is going to take up a fair amount of space that I really don’t have.

Also found this test kit. Seems to cover everything, ammonia, ph, nitrates.

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It’s really no more difficult to cycle a small tank than a larger tank - nowadays there are many products available (especially in the US) to assist with tank cycling (read the Tim Hovanec papers to discover which bacteria are actually doing the deeds in aquariums - as opposed to waster management plants!) & test kits to monitor nitrogen cycle products, fishless cycling is something that every pet shop should be conversant with … it amazes me that with the advent of BioSpira (& it’s subsequent sale to Tetra to be remarketed as Safe Start) that shops are not managing to sell this with every new tank/fish etc …[/QUOTE]

I hadn’t heard of BioSpira so I looked it up. It looks like it’s called Tetra SafeStart now. It’s like the Eco Complete substrate I got for my bigger tank.
With my reef tank, I just got a little Tupperware bowl full of sand from a friend’s established tank. Instant critters.

You should go to BettaFish.com and tell them about that Spira stuff because almost everyday there is a new post from someone trying to cycle a 1 gallon unfiltered bowl and now their fish is dead. It’s depressing.

Can the BioSpira be used for fresh water? I looked it up and it seems to be a salt water product. :confused:

Also looked into the Eco-Complete substrate. It looks like that would be a good choice for my tank, but would that be the only type of substrate I use, or would I cover it with something? This is the one I looked at. I just looked at this substrate too, the price is a little better and it comes in more colors, so I think I would go with this one.

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I found this tank which is 6.5 gallons. It’s a bit more expensive than I originally wanted to budget for a tank, but I like the surface area since from what I’ve been reading, Bettas prefer long and shallow vs narrow and deep. People also mentioned growing plants in there without a problem. I’m planning on ordering from Drs Foster and Smith for plants. The java fern seems to be a popular plant for betta tanks, and on the betta forum that was linked, some people are mentioning moss balls (although I checked and it seems moderate to high lighting is best?). Anyway, I’m really liking the tank I mentioned above for its size. The reviews mention the filter being noisy but I couldn’t care less about that, considering I sleep best with some sort of noise (and this tank will be in my bedroom).

I still need to read up on cycling the aquarium, but this tank should be big enough for it…correct? I could go up to 10 gallons but that is going to take up a fair amount of space that I really don’t have.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that tank will work and will cycle fine. You still have to do a partial water change every week. Maybe I’m old school, but I did partials regardless of tank size.
Just pop a submersible heater in the tank. You may have to stick it diagonally in the tank since the tank is not as high as a regular one. Oh and get a stick on thermometer.
Bettas will appreciate the long shallow tank.

With the light that comes with it, look for smaller foreground plants in the low light/low tech category. If you like the look of some of the bigger plants, many of them come in petite sizes. Some of the stem plants can just be trimmed to fit. That’s how I keep my Hygrophila and Red Myrio. They grow fast in my tank so I cut the new growth off and replant the new part.
If you want to keep a bigger range of plants, Dr. Fosters also sells LED strips that stick to the inside of the tank hood. They come in 12" and up. You’ll have to check if they will fit your particular tank or not.
Get some root tabs for fertilizer. I also dose my tank with SeaChem Flourish Excel. My plants have done very well with those two ferts. They are planted in a mix of regular gravel and sand although I wish I’d used Instant Aquarium or Eco Complete now. eh

Forgot: Java Fern is easy. Moss balls I think take more light, but I’m not that familiar with them as I haven’t tried one yet.

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Can the BioSpira be used for fresh water? I looked it up and it seems to be a salt water product. :confused:

Also looked into the Eco-Complete substrate. It looks like that would be a good choice for my tank, but would that be the only type of substrate I use, or would I cover it with something? This is the one I looked at. I just looked at this substrate too, the price is a little better and it comes in more colors, so I think I would go with this one.[/QUOTE]

The freshwater version of BioSpira appears to be called (not AquaSafe) now. Omg, sorry it’s Tetra Safestart now! AquaSafe is the water conditioner - which you will also need. For water conditioner I don’t think you can beat SeaChem Prime.

You can use either of those substrates by themselves or if you want to get fancy or don’t like the limited color choices of the plant version, you can put a layer of it down first and then cover it with the regular one. Personally, I’d just go with he regular one. The plant stuff seems like overkill for most of the common aquarium plants (she says as her hubby goes and buys the red plant version. Ugh!)
There’s a lot of debate on how many inches of substrate you need, but aim for at least 2". I have around 4" because my husband (again) wanted to see if an anaerobic layer would form. He likes to try saltwater techniques on my Betta tank. Apparently it can be done, so we’ll see.

And now I will make this horse related. When I do water changes (oh, I don’t think anyone mentioned to get a gravel pump yet), I drain the water into a new flat back horse bucket. It’s never had anything in it so I don’t risk getting beer (hubby brews), car soap, etc… Into my tank. :yes:

Also get yourself the small version of this doodad:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+3728+4083&pcatid=4083

If you don’t overstock or over feed you shouldn’t get algae, but sometimes with a new setup, you can get water hydras on the glass (I did!)
This magnet wipes them off and also floats if you drop it. Just don’t get anything between the glass and it - like a piece of gravel - or it can scratch the glass.

I read some of the plant guide on the betta fish forum (and also joined it :)) and I’m thinking about getting some Java Moss, Java Fern, and a moss ball. All of these are said to do ok in lowlight conditions and are easy to care for.

But I shouldn’t put the “fancy” substrate in it? That stuff is expensive so if I don’t really need it that would be nice.

I’ll look into the SafeStart and SeaChem Prime too.

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I found this tank which is 6.5 gallons. It’s a bit more expensive than I originally wanted to budget for a tank, but I like the surface area since from what I’ve been reading, Bettas prefer long and shallow vs narrow and deep. [/QUOTE]

As long as you aren’t planning to get any other fish, that’s a great tank for a Betta! It came up as $40 for me so I’d call it a bargain.

I’ve used Bio Spira before. Great product but not foolproof. It basically cycles the tank in 24-48 hours instead of weeks but you still get the ammonia/nitrite spikes. If they get out of control or last more than a couple hours, you need to remove the fish. BTDT and still remember the nervous breakdown I had. :lol: It should be fine for a smaller tank but I’d wait to add the fish until there is no ammonia and nitrates show up.

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I read some of the plant guide on the betta fish forum (and also joined it :)) and I’m thinking about getting some Java Moss, Java Fern, and a moss ball. All of these are said to do ok in lowlight conditions and are easy to care for.

But I shouldn’t put the “fancy” substrate in it? That stuff is expensive so if I don’t really need it that would be nice.

I’ll look into the SafeStart and SeaChem Prime too.[/QUOTE]

No, you really don’t need that fancy stuff unless you’re going to do a heavily planted tank or keep some of the more sensitive plants. The plants you listed don’t need anything like that.

Well the tank will be for a single male Betta, maybe a shrimp or frog or something as a tank mate (still have to try to figure out what is compatible), but definitely no other fish CrazyGuineaPigLady.
Ok, no to the fancy stuff then. I would like a tank that uses all live plants but I’m not sure what “heavily planted” would be for a 6.6 gallon tank? I was planning on doing the planted type cycle, which calls for “heavily planted” but I just don’t have a clue what that means. I’m going to get the substrate, plants, and decor and let the tank establish itself before adding a Betta. I want to get a fancier Betta than the normal pet shop variety so I don’t want to go killing it because I didn’t let the tank establish itself enough.

I have eco complete in my beta tank, with uncomplicated plants, only because it works well and looks nice. It makes growing even easy plants easier, which I am ALL about.

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I have eco complete in my beta tank, with uncomplicated plants, only because it works well and looks nice. It makes growing even easy plants easier, which I am ALL about.[/QUOTE]

That’s what we will be using for our big tank, but we’re planning on a lot of plants. I wish I had seen it before I set up my Betta tank because then I would have used Instant Aquarium. I wish the Eco Complete came in more colors.

You really can’t go wrong SAcres. Just pick one you like. I’ve seen plants thriving in hot pink marbles. Some plants are just very easy to grow. I don’t know anything about moss balls though other than that they are a kind of algae that has a spherical form.

Ok, well maybe I will get it then. :smiley:

If it will make cycling the tank and growing plants easier, then why not? It won’t pollute the tank because the tank is small will it? Would there be any reason not to use it?

Also I’m struggling to find which heater would be best for the 6.6 gallon tank I mentioned earlier. I’m pretty sure that is the tank I want, its a good price, it will fit on a bookshelf, and seems perfect for a betta.

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Ok, well maybe I will get it then. :smiley:

If it will make cycling the tank and growing plants easier, then why not? It won’t pollute the tank because the tank is small will it? Would there be any reason not to use it?

Also I’m struggling to find which heater would be best for the 6.6 gallon tank I mentioned earlier. I’m pretty sure that is the tank I want, its a good price, it will fit on a bookshelf, and seems perfect for a betta.[/QUOTE]

Nope. No reason not to use that substrate.

I have a generic PetCo 50 watt submersible that has worked great. Only down side is that you can’t pick the temp setting. You have to keep adjusting it until you get it where you want it and then leave it alone. Here’s a handy wattage chart:
http://freshaquarium.about.com/od/heating/a/heatersizeguide.htm

For reference, I have a 50 watt in my 6 gallon.

The ONLY slightly pain in the ass part of it is you can’t vacuum it like you can regular gravel–it will get sucked right up if you try.

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You should go to BettaFish.com and tell them about that Spira stuff because almost everyday there is a new post from someone trying to cycle a 1 gallon unfiltered bowl and now their fish is dead. It’s depressing.[/QUOTE]

I did my years posting/moderating the health folder on a couple of cichlid forums … it’s disappointing that with Tetra taking over BioSpira that it’s use hasn’t become mainstream (Marineland really did no consumer retail marketing of the product as they were predominantly a commercial systems company at the time - Marineland now belongs to another company & has changed direction).

Those cup bettas are generally raised without any sort of filters in small jars - they thrive in 1 litre (or less) & the downward spiral only starts when the fish arrive at the retail pet shops where staff (& management) have no idea how to keep fish :cry:

Dr Hovanec went independent & now has his own company

I found this heater that seems to be adjustable. It is rated for 7-15 gallons for the 50 watt so I figure it should be fine for my tank too.

I’m a little concerned about it fitting, it measures 9" according to the website. The tank I want to order has the dimensions 8.13" L X 24" W X 9.25" H so it should fit ok. But I would think I could turn the heater on a diagonal if necessary.

I’ll go with the CaribSea substrate or Eco-Complete then.

It’s fully submersible–I’d put it horizontally, across the back wall of the tank :slight_smile:

Here’s a picture of mine with it on a diagonal so I can reach the knob without getting my hand wet (wetter). This is before I added more plants and is looking pretty sparse.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150677177215350&set=a.10150677177180350.454128.735450349&type=3

(Facebook album set to public so you should be able to see it.)