I would also love to know which one it is!
I think that would measure as 6cm, from the top of the ring that attached to the cheeckpiece to the top of the actual mouthpiece.
It’s the Cavalon Sweet Iron Low port Baucher. The rings at the top are angled out so if you measure straight down from the ring to the top of the hinge of the mouthpiece, it’s almost exactly 5cm.
I’m still going to send pictures to the USDF. My mare loves this bit.
This is why we need pictures. Is a TD going to make me drop the bit to measure from the top of the ring to the top of the tongue port? Or is she going to just measure on the outside to where the mouthpiece starts? What determines the start of the mouthpiece? Is she going to measure point to point? Or straight down? Also, why the top of the upper cheek? The bridle connects on the inner side of the ring, not the outer or top most part. They should measure from where the cheek piece actually loops around the ring. It all feels very arbitrary.
Part of me thinks they just grabbed the 5cm part from the rule about curbs - the upper arm cannot exceed 5cm.
I’m also going to buy a full cheek from the same brand and try it with the keepers to see if maresy likes it as much as this bit. The keepers should add the stability she likes.
interestingly enough, seems that there’s an entity in charge which seems to share my POV.
Are you suggesting that the NGO knows more than…scientists?
That’s a unique take not surprised though.
I see a leverage bit.
It is a USEF rule, not a USDF rule (even though USDF MIGHT be behind it). You need to email USEF to clarify if it is legal.
You clearly do not understand the concept of leverage.
I’m just going out on a limb here, but it seems kinda obvious the federation agrees with my understanding.
In order to have a lever, and thus leverage, you need a fulcrum (pivot point), a rigid bar, with the load and the effort at different points of the bar (NOT at the fulcrum). The relative distances for the effort and the load from the fulcrum determine the amount of leverage.
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for diagrams
The Baucher bit does not have these features (the effort is applied AT the fulcrum. the mouthpiece).
That doesn’t make both your and their understanding any less incorrect
It’s been explained to you dozens of times how this is not possible, but if you believe everything with a fixed point of rotation to be a leverage bit, then you also believe a plain eggbutt snaffle is a leverage bit.
Good lord give it a break you guys and act like adults. You disagree. Fine. Move on FFS.
That’s not how the internet works.
I don’t know why, but your comment is making me laugh hysterically…
2+2 does not equal 5. Ever. Same thing. It’s not a disagreement. It’s one person adamantly saying that 2+2 = 5 and that because an “entity” is also claiming that 2+2 = 5 that they are right and the rest of us who have taken 2 oranges and then another 2 oranges and actually counted them to check that all together there are 4 oranges and not 5 are merely “disagreeing.”
Yes.
This is not an opinion thing. This is an experts stating reality thing. And it is costing people a lot of money that false perceptions are being portrayed as reality by some, as well as causing riders to be forced to switch to bits which may make their horses unhappy if they want to show, because there is a monopoly in the US horse world if you want your competition to be seen as legitimate.
I’d kove to have enough info to follow the money on this one, because the complete opposition to physical reality of the rule being rammed through out of cycle without membership review in violation of the bylaws screams of ulterior motives.
I can find a whole bunch of people to agree that the earth is flat. Even whole “federations”.
I can find a whole bunch of people who believe in creation by a God, instead of evolution. Entire generations on this one.
Are they right? No.
grabs popcorn
But seriously, the physics ain’t physic-ing. And this is pretty basic stuff - not that it makes it easy to understand, just basic. It’s also hard to explain over an Internet forum, hands-on IRL it’s MUCH more clear (especially if you take the potentially intimidating terminology out, for those of us that said nope to the math and took geology instead ).
I wish I could find the study collection, but researchers have found that on average, people tend to double down rather than change their stance when shown facts and science-based evidence.