Black Dressage Horses

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@Scribbler I tend to find a hilarious number of chestnut Hanoverians (I generally credit it to Weltmeyer enjoying a reemergent popularity - so much red!)… pretty sure that’s just the breeders I follow though. The recent auctions for H, O, and W were all really, really brown. I’ll be curious what H’s foal auction collection looks like…

And as far as the chestnut thing, I can’t speak to why hunters do/don’t, but some of the breeders I’ve spoken to for dressage admit chestnut is harder to sell than bay, a chestnut mare is more challenging, and then a small chestnut mare is the hardest sell. Redhead ladies have a reputation I guess. [/QUO

Red headed people certainly can have more sensitive and paler skins, and are also not that common.

Chestnut horses have the same black skins as other horses (except paints and double cremes) so shouldn’t be any more sensitive. Plus they are very common especially in some breeds.

So I can’t see them really being more sensitive.

Paints on the other hand can get sunburned on their white patches but have a reputation for being calm.

Go figure.

I think chestnuts are said anecdotally to have more sensitive skin and allergies - I have a chestnut with 4 white legs and battle extreme skin issues on the white/pink skin, hives, allergies, and a host of immune issues. I do “blame” his skin issues on being a chestnut with lots of white but will still probably buy another one someday because that’s what I’m drawn to.

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Interesting the skin issues were on the white. What I’d expect. My Paint burns her one white nostril on summer pasture.

My only horse with skin issues is a buckskin. One with sabino and sooty genes as well but it’s not the white areas that are typically the problem areas.

The people I can think of locally who have a “thing” for black horses, and have bought several over the years seem to just prefer and only buy black horses. It’s hard to say if it’s Black Beauty Syndrome or just a very strong color preference.

The chromed chestnuts seem to be magnets for scratches.

Personally, I own two chestnut mares, but if you peruse the “ISO” ads on Facebook sales pages, no chestnuts isn’t uncommon, though no grays is a more frequent requirement. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a “no bays” ISO requirement.

I see the limitations on matchy-matchy colors as a feature, not a flaw. They look good in black, white, dark blue and dark green, so I don’t get tempted to spend a bunch of money on saddle pad sets and things.

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Yes you will hopefully never be tempted to put pink saddle pads and purple polos on a chestnut.

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Maybe because they look better in brown tack, and people prefer the conformity of black:lol:.

I’ve always wanted a black gelding, I love the look. I somehow ended up with two chestnut mares but I wouldn’t change a thing :lol:

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Nahhhh, goes back way further then that. What little girl didn’t want to ride The Black Stallion, or to rescue Black Beauty? Black does sell - go hang out on the FB Dressage Horses For Sale page - you’ll see ISO of ads, and IF a color is mentioned, it is black or bay (and remember, from a genetics standpoint, bay is black with an agouti). It is the dreamy horse color, and has been for as long as I can remember.

In the hunter ring, where looks is definitely a requirement - black (and bay) are much more popular then chestnut. In the dressage ring, looks isn’t a requirement, but it is a preference with riders - we all know pretty sells. Black is considered pretty. Chestnut is considered difficult. Death rides a chestnut mare (do a google search, it is a book - chestnut mares have had their reputation for ages).

Regarding chestnut - if you want a chestnut that sells - liver with flaxen mane and tail. Poof, gone in an instant. Color sells. PRETTY color sells.

Breeders breed for what sells - black sells. I think it all goes back to The Black Stallion and Black Beauty - our inner child yearning…

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OK on Black Beauty, but what about Flame? I loved the Island Stallion books at least as much as the Black Stallion ones.

Surely the myths about chestnut mares aren’t solely due to poor Ginger.

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:lol:

My favorite color is red, I’m an eventer, and so (of course) to replace my bay TB - who had to be euthanized at age 10 for neuro issues - I wound up with a chestnut WB/TB mare who “clashed” with red. sigh (Luckily for me I was NEVER tempted by pink or purple, yuk!)

I had a OTTB chestnut mare when I was much younger, but that was during my break from eventing - I did hunters with her and didn’t notice much of a bias, but only did smaller shows. I LOVE chestnuts, think they’re beautiful and don’t understand the bias against the color. That said, both of my redheaded mares have been very sensitive critters and have had very fine summer coats; they would be partially bare when shed out! And tiny little tufts where their forelocks should be! Neither mare was “easy” because of that sensitivity (though in spite of their color and their chrome, they didn’t suffer from skin issues.)

My other favorite horse color is black.

My second pony was a true black, and quite a pistol - but he was that wonderful non-fading non-bleaching black, and looked dark and shiny all year long.

I had always planned to breed my above-mentioned chestnut mare after her eventing career wound down, so in 2011 (after doing my stallion research), I bred her to the Hanoverian jumper sire Escudo 2; black, but not homozygous. I was not so secretly hoping for a black foal, but my chances for black were 25%: 50% chance of chestnut (fine by me other than the issue with my love for red accessories), 25% chance of bay.

I got the black filly I wanted, and I adore her. In the summer (before she UGH!! bleaches) she is spectacular. There is just something about a beautiful black horse (she has a lovely head and neck and a presence about her); they are stunning.

She has two small hind ankle socks and alas - no face markings - and when it’s overcast she does NOT show up well in photos and videos - but when the sun comes out…:love-struck: I love looking through her black ears - the same shape as her dam’s ears (though that’s one of the few things she inherited from mom), and every day I look at her and fall in love again.

I have read many sale ads (and stallion ads) that trumpet “dark coat” as though that’s a desirable thing, so I think it’s definitely a trend in dressage; my own observations have been that there are more black (and chestnut) among Hanoverians.

Unfortunately, my girl is a bleaching black despite being on night turnout year round. Oh well.

And because a true black horse is a relatively uncommon color (according to color experts, true black is “unusual, but not rare”), dressage scribes are reluctant to “credit” the color to my mare. When I get my test sheets back they say “dark bay” more often than not, or “dark bay or black”. I think there has only been ONE test sheet where “black” was listed as her color - though this may be due to her bleaching tendencies.

But! I can now finally use my beloved red!, and splurged on a red body protector and red saddle pad (and red tape for her white boots) and she looks wonderful with the color, so am I finally able to indulge my whimsical side at the ripe old age of 62.

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I knew a young rider who put purple on her chestnut gelding. She didn’t care about how it looked with his coloring, she just liked purple.

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The Rocky Mountain Horse people call it chocolate; in Icelandics and some others it is called silver dapple, but I think that silver dapple is actually a points dilute of bay?

Hahaha, I use to think the chestnut mare stereotype was due to Weltmeyer (since he threw some difficult temperaments), but it seems to go back further then that. I do think there is some truth to it - chestnut mares tend to be more difficult. Not ALL of them, of course, and I even know a Weltmeyer mare who is a SAINT, but I also know of many very tough red heads…

Those are actually genetically different colors, there is also just liver (dark) chestnut with flaxen mane and tail - it is different then silver dapple (the RMH is a silver dapple, and some of those minis and Shetlands are also silver dapple).

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Of all the horses I’ve had, including some really stunning black/dark bay/dapple gray, the ones I got the most on-the-spot offers to buy were the buckskin pony and my current paint gelding (who is wb, Sempatico M out of a mare by Dauphin).

But these offers aren’t coming from professionals hoping for the Olympics - they’re coming from amateurs who need something they can actually ride.

i have seen an absolute uptick in the number of people both looking for and selling black horses for more $$ since Totilas.

My otherwise very serious and cerebral 12yo has a thing for matching saddle pads to her clothing. Her latest obsession is the coral Le Mieux color collection. I don’t get it. At. All. The coral doesn’t even look good on the horses in the ad!

My guess is that preference for blacks and greys is partially due to dressage’s military heritage because those colors were favored for the sake of uniformity.(Look at Britain’s Royal Guard. Almost all black and grey. The few spotted drum horses are intended to draw the eye.) But, having driven for commercial carriage companies, I can tell you it’s a lot easier to match blacks and greys than it is other colors. My Belgians were brothers. And they were still noticeably different shades of sorrel depending on the season. I’ve seen big hitches where each team was a different shade of grey and it’s a spectacular effect.

Hmmm I’m probably in denial. Other than her poor little white nose, my chestnut Paint has a very healthy glossy coat. But she is extremely opinionated and sensitive and bossy. You do not win fights with this horse. If life hadn’t treated her well, she would have been Ginger for sure. Indeed her first owners gave up on her at age 2.

As far as colors, I’m definitely a “winter” in those 1980s color matching schemes. My best colors are red, burgundies, dark pinks, purples. My horse is “autumn.” She is best in greens, browns, golds, tans, blues. So we compromise on greens, blues, dark brown, grey.

Is a problem. There is much to be said for the fantasy when you are ten years old, of having a horse the exact same color as your own hair!

By that rule, all the skinny blondes that dominate sport horse competition would be riding palominos and Halflingers!!

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