Black dressage rider goes to the Olympics

Dressage is a privileddge. Broader spoken, any interaction with hores is a privildege.

It is a priviledge that money facilitates.

Regarding the mean girl comment…book outline in process. There is a huge difference in the local people I have met via dressage when compared with those I have met through Fox Hunting or through Breeding (whether stallion owners, mare owners or just another slob like me out there collecting semen, AI-ing mares and deliverig foals that they hope to someday ride). Dressage people seemed nicer and more down to earth in Virginia. It very well could be a localized phenomina.
Getting PMs about the book…
LOL

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Oh - I can’t keep up with all the reasonings - but honestly, it is hard to be in coversation with someone without noticing who they are, not good, not bad, just is. Same as male or female, tall or thin, foreign or local.
whoa girl. While the South was well documented for its racist

But we are Canadian and it is different up here. We don’t have the history that the US has in the South. We can’t be expected to get it
or understand it in the same way…until we happen to be on the other side of the tracks, even here.[/QUOTE]

oops.
While the South was well documented for its racist behavior, the north was doing the same, by exclusion from communities.
When I was in high school, many many years ago, a big Boston company opened a plant here, and moved its executives down. When several couples were out visiting my parents, the people were shocked that our neighbors were, gasp, Jewish! They said that in their neighborhoods, Jews were not allowed. And black folks lived right down the road from us, and I rode my horses thru those woods after dark every day because they were nice people. (I was banned from riding where some rough white folks lived, my mother feared for my life down there)
I learned from the Boston folks that up north back then, no blacks and no Jews were allowed in their neighborhoods.
And when I went out to Berkeley in college, I found that hispanics were treated there like blacks were treated down south.
And in St Louis later, when I was in the 5% of white folks who lived downtown, I learned what it was like to be one of few white folks at parties, concerts, and in the workplace.
Race is a factor because people all want to feel superior to someone. Too bad.

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Pre-judging and ignorant. Like when somebody asks an overweight person if they are pregnant, or when they are “due”. If you are not sure, scope out the scene and shutup.[/QUOTE]

It happens all the time, regardless of your skin color. My father was out running one day and stopped into the Porsche dealership. He was planning on buying a new car. He’s a white physician, but he probably looked like a hobo after running. The sales people didn’t give him the time of day, based on his sweat pants and running shoes. They totally lost a sale as he bought a car at another dealership. I couldn’t resist calling them to let them know of the error of judging a book by it’s cover. Plus I was pissed about losing out on driving his new car once and awhile. :cool:

FWIW, I’ve never seen any racism in horses. Not saying it doesn’t exist, just that I’ve never seen it. People at my current barn treat the workers very well and very respectfully. Everyone I know there is friendly to them and value their efforts. I’ve never seen any sense of attitude or superiority from anyone there to them.

At my former barn, we had a black girl who rode hunters. She was treated like a queen. Why? Her parents were super wealthy and they spent a lot on her horses and training. She always got the red carpet treatment. In my experience, the color most noticed with a lot of horse people is green. :lol:

Aint that the truth, but your Dad wouldn’t have felt the hurt.

My husband is asian. He can walk into a mercedes dealership in shorts with holes in them and a 20 year old college fraternity t-shirt with a picture of a guy with a beer bong on the front and be swamped with salesmen within 5 seconds.

Of course, he’s never actually bought a mercedes, and until they make one that can tow a boat the salesmen are out of luck!

You mean a boat and a horsetrailer, I hope!

Nowhere to keep a trailer- I’m happy enough to have the horse :wink:

Hmmm I’ll have to tell him to try the Mercedes dealership next time he’s running while car shopping. But then he’s not Asian. :wink:

I guess I’ve been lucky that I’ve never witnessed discrimination in any equestrian competitions. But I have to agree that it’s more a matter of economics than anything else. I would imagine it’s like tennis. You haven’t seen many minorities in tennis competition until recently. It’s always been a wealthy person’s sport. Minorities just didn’t have access to courts and instruction. Hopefully we’ll see that change with more programs making tennis available to all kids. Perhaps equestrian sports will go that way as well.

Well that’s kind of the point. I strangely don’t get the same kind of service when I wear MY beer bong t-shirt.

My husband is a pretty typical looking asian professional, and the stereotype is that they spend big money on cars. Believing in that stereotype when my hubby is window shopping leads many a car salesman astray :wink:

My sons were adopted from Brasil. My husband and I spent five weeks in Sao Paulo, before we were allowed to bring our sons home. Every year after, Limiar would hold a picnic for all of the children, who had been adopted from Brasil. In all of my time with Brasilians, I have never heard one of them called an “Afro-Brasilian”. It is only here that “Afro” is attached to “American”. Brasilians are Brasilians.

Congradulations to the Brasilian, who is competing in Dressage at the Oympics! Obrigado.

“Dressage has a lack of diversity that we all should be ashamed of”

You have absolutely got to be kidding me.

As if myself or any of the rest of us have anything to do with it.

Rogerio is sadly now out of the Olympics. His horse didn’t pass the jog.

http://abpsl.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/tragedy-strikes-for-nilo-vo/

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Rogerio is sadly now out of the Olympics. His horse didn’t pass the jog.

http://abpsl.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/tragedy-strikes-for-nilo-vo/[/QUOTE]

That’s bad news for Brazil - at least they may still be able to bring home individual medals. Must be devastating for the rider - hopefully he can make it to the 2012 games and do well.

getting back to the OP

I just saw an article that Clementino’s horse, Nilo has an injury :frowning: So sad they have to withdraw from competition!

Does anyone know if Olympic dressage rules allow bringing a back-up horse?
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From Monsters and Critics.com
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/sport/olympics2008/news/article_1423152.php

Olympics 2008 News
Injury to horse sidelines Brazil dressage hope
By DPA
Aug 11, 2008, 16:18 GMT

Hong Kong - Rogerio Clementino, who was set to become the first black Brazilian to take part in an Olympic equestrian event, was denied his place in history Monday, after his horse Nilo V.O. was suffered an injury.

A second veterinary examination in Hong Kong two days before the beginning of the dressage finals on Wednesday, confirmed that Nilo V.O. is limping.

The news not only wrecked Clementino’s hopes of making history, but also left Brazil with just two riders in the competition and therefore without a place in the team contest.

‘It is a pity that we do not have a team from South America. It would have been excellent for the globalization of this sport,’ said Mariette Withages, delegate of the International Equestrian Federation (FEI).

Wow, my first apprenticeship was with a well known German trainer/competitor who was actually in the process of competing in the selection trials for the Olympics.

To make a long story short, she had a chat with me in which she stated. You have to face the Fact that you are talented however black participating in a sport where the deck is stacked so high against you, you can’t even see the deck.

I just want to say briefly that either you get it and you understand and your honest enough to admit there is a race problem in equestrian sport, you deny it’s existence, or you haven’t experienced it yet. Many people not all have been engaged in intimate conversation where people particularly in the horse world have made well known their beliefs, ideals, and opinions inn those regards. Aside from the enormous obstacles that one faces to reach a prominent place in the Dressage World the addition of racial prejudice is like trying to swim while carrying a boulder.

By the way I am a black dressage rider/trainer.

old thread.

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Sorry, I just thought it was a cool thing to note - didn’t mean to offend anyone. ;)[/QUOTE]

It was a cool thing to post and thx for doing that!!

[QUOTE=ridgeback;3408850]Maybe it’s like that in dressage and racing but in the hunter/jumper world they couldn’t care less what color you are if you have the big bucks you’re good enough for them. The only barrier to this sport is $$. I just think it’s odd that people have to point out the race of a person/rider and the more we do that the more we seperate ourselves from each other…JMHO :smiley:

If you’ve ever been to the KY horse park you will know the grand prix ring is named after the Johnson’s. There is no doubt that the horse world besides racing is 90% or more female because boys aren’t as interested in riding/horses, is that a barrier?[/QUOTE]

As a person of color I know how rare it is to see non whites riding in dressage comps at the elite level. I think we have to talk about it. All the more power to you Rogerio Clementino!
Back in the 80’s & 90’s when I was over in Europe working, the Germans would always do a double take to see me on a horse!! Few brown people riding back then much less in Germany.
In France, Spain and Portugal not as much hub bub.
In England, same story as Germany.

Here in the states things have really gotten more diverse these days. But still at the elite levels you hardly ever see diversity in our sport. Fortunately, now, we are seeing more and more several talented young people of diversity at the shows in H/J, dressage et al.
Here’s to change and success!!

This an 8 year old thread. Hopefully things have changed somewhat…

Oh and vjlq - I had a similar experience to yourself - and I’ll tell you, I don’t think anything has changed in Germany at all! :frowning: