Boarding Woes...New Twist Not For the Faint of Heart

You’re aghast people have a different view on it.

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I’m saying it’s pretty unusual for kids who went to school to not know chickens are birds.

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As a teacher (preschool and elementary) and childcare provider, it is indeed unusual /rare to suggest that kids don’t know what basic farm animals look like.

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I know, right? We raise chickens for meat. The meat birds are cared for just as well and with as much love as the laying hens, and all the other animals on our farm.

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But to know that what defines a bird is 2 legs? That no birds have 4 legs? Probably not something many have thought about.

I’m not suggesting that her experience is the same for all city kids, I’m just giving it as an example of something someone said to me about a lack of knowledge of animals that surprised me.

Again. I will repost this.

I really think this is a weird thing to pick on given all the other posts, but the forum is strange sometimes!

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I am indeed.

Because being divorced from your food supply is not good. I can’t believe this is even an argument you’re having.

There have been plenty of topics that you have objectively stated that one belief is bad and another good. Why is this one different? All of a sudden you’re a relativist?

Not buying it.

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Always a relativist.
Always have my own opinion.

Not perseverating over your food source doesn’t mean you’re divorced from it.
There’s a huge spectrum of awareness and choices made between the two.

You’re the one who seems quite rigid in your beliefs on this whole goat kept on a farm unbeknownst to the barn owner thing. :woman_shrugging:

She never saw a chicken at the supermarket, in the oven, or on the table?

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You’re right I am unapologetically. I’ve run across you in threads about abortion (which I agreed with you on) where you were very much not a relativist.

The forum has a long memory, as do I.

It’s ok to have informed opinions. It’s ok to hash them out. It’s just plain weird to debate on not the merits of the opinion but whether one has a right to just believe whatever the heck they want without consequence.

Were I presented with new information that would challenge my opinion I would be open to it. So far, I haven’t seen any. Perhaps you have some?

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You mean like believing that people are entitled to not think eating goat is something they’d like to do, or that they prefer not to see the animal intended to be slaughtered?
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Uh, pro- choice is very much relativist.

Good for you? :woman_shrugging:

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They do not have the right to let that opinion go unchallenged. You missed the point entirely.

Let me restate it for you, since clearly I did a poor job.

You are entitled to an opinion. You are not entitled to it being unchallenged.

Which is why it didn’t bother me that either of you were picking on something my mother actually said to me. You would like to believe that everyone regardless of background understands where food comes from.

I provided several anecdotal stories AND a study.

So far I haven’t seen a study stating the opposite, though I’m totally open to it.

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I think you make your point hard to follow.

Being pro-choice and being vehemently so is NOT at all relativist.

Ok. Well I’ve edited for clarity. I’m sorry that you feel I’ve been confusing. :woman_shrugging:t2:

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I saw a SyFy movie once where the sharks roared kind of like lions. Surely enough noise to give you ample warning.

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I also think it’s possible that your mother is exaggerating or embellishing the story. Or, it IS possible that with some parental manipulation, she was led to believe that “chicken” the food is not the same as “chicken” the animal - in the same way that “beef” is not the same as “cow.”

I am perfectly aware that many people do not know where food comes from. If you haven’t read the book “Animal, Vegetable, Mineral” there are some great examples in there where city kids thought that spaghetti grew in gardens, and even her PhD friend did not know that potatoes had “plant parts.”

But this is a really different thing. If she went to school, it’s hard to imagine that she did not know what a chicken looked like. Whether she understood that it was the same as a chicken breast on the plate…well its possible.

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She isn’t prone to embellishment and it would be a strange thing to brag about since it was an embarrassing story to her about her lack of knowledge. There’s a reason that she is now obsessive about learning.

She was not telling that story because of food. We had, at that point, bought chickens for eggs and she was talking about her lack of understanding of them growing up.

She has been an ethical vegetarian since the 70s. Since she learned where her food really came from. I will grant you the latter point - that likely happened knowing my grandfather.

I also find it odd that you’re picking on my story when another poster told a story about a man who didn’t know what a rabbit was.

:woman_shrugging:t2:

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Re: Commercial eggs. Not to burst any bubbles, but I am on several FB chicken groups, and when bored, some people try to hatch commercial eggs. Guess what - occasionally a rooster has not been sorted out of the henhouse (sometimes they look like hens at certain ages) and even with all the processing and refrigeration, they have successfully hatched on or two chicks. Hens can also hold sperm for months, so they don’t have to be currently exposed to a rooster to produce fertile eggs.

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Lady, preach it!

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No one is “picking” on your story. I think it’s most likely that your mother knew that chickens were birds and even living in a city, she would know what a bird was. I think just like my roommate who “didn’t know” what a chicken wing was, it wasn’t that she really thought that they were “little chicken legs” or that chickens had 2 big and 2 little legs - but that she had never given it any thought. At all. Just ate them.

It wasn’t until she saw me cut up a whole chicken that she thought about it. And realized that she had never realized exactly how it was processed.

As for the rabbit story, I think the man “knew what a rabbit WAS” but it’s possible that this

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Gee, that is boredom! I always try to give myself every possible chance with this kind of thing and still often manage to screw up. I salute them!