Boarding Woes/VENT

I’m a barn owner and trainer. I can tell you right now that my insurance company would not cover an injury to somebody Due to a hover board or skateboard zooming around in my barn with my knowledge.

Equipment needed for running agricultural facilities is a completely different matter. We are bordered on one side by pear orchards, which means unending equipment rumbling by, and air movers that sound like helicopters within 50 yards of the horses. They come on at random times during the early morning hours to keep frost off young fruit. On the other side we’ve got a vineyard, with similar equipment needs. Sometimes they have to shoot off guns to spook birds off the fruit. They text all the neighbors with Livestock before they do this. Of course the horses get used to this stuff. I did have one older lady with fear issues who simply could not handle it when there were tractors or other equipment rumbling by the back of the indoor arena. Because her anxiety, I’m sure that translated to her horse.

In my state, someone suing me for injury has to prove gross negligence. My knowing some thing is dangerous, and doing it anyway. Of course every barn has its own culture, but I for one do not think that the OP is completely out of line in what she wants. There are barns that focus On a quiet working environment. There are barns that are utter chaos and everything in between.

I try to provide a sanctuary at my barn. People pay to have their horses well-being be a priority. They pay for good footing that is worked every day. They pay for an environment where they can focus on their riding and training in a reasonable manner. That doesn’t mean there’s not stuff going on. That doesn’t mean that when loud things happen we don’t take it in stride or use it as a way to school horses if appropriate. However, my personal taste is anti-chaos. If a kid came zooming down the aisle unannounced on a bike or a skateboard there would be hell to pay. But my Barn does not have that culture, so there is a precedent set for a less chaotic environment.

Insurance liability is a big deal. I know three barns who were sued and lost because the plaintiff was able to prove gross negligence. For me it’s not worth the risk to have random crap happening all the time at my facility. Random dogs aren’t allowed on the property. Not loose, not on a leash. We have some well behaved farm dogs, and it’s their place. Not a dog park. One client let her dog out of her car and it immediately chased one of my barn cats up a tree so far that the cat got stuck and furthermore cut up by sharp sticks. She paid the vet bill. I have made exceptions for very well-behaved dogs, and one of my student’s emotional support dog.

I have had zero complaints about the atmosphere in my barn, people who value a quieter environment like it here. The horses are happy. I don’t believe that these horses are particularly more prone to be spooky because they aren’t desensitized to 1 million random things. They appear to be well-adjusted and confident, and if they are introduced to something in a reasonable way, they adjust.

People gravitate towards environments that work for them. I don’t think that it’s a fair assumption that people who like a quieter environment are fearful, produce fearful horses, and/or cannot handle unexpected occurrences. If they are good leaders, have already established a relationship with a horse so the horse feels safe with them…they have a good base to weather the occasional unexpected weirdness. Horses don’t need to be desensitized everything on the planet in order to be a well-adjusted animal. They need a functional relationship with their person so they don’t feel the need to be fearful of novel things. A normal working facility provides plenty of opportunity to practice confidence in the face of the novel.

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I really want to make a comment about nervous people around horses.

With my MS I am often nervous around horses in spite of riding horses for over 50 years. I am well aware of my limitations in the saddle and there are some things that just make me nervous.

However if I am nervous the first thing I do is loosen the reins. This does serve a purpose, the horse does not feel trapped by me, his rider, and I am not hurting his sensitive mouth. I also make good and sure that my heels are not digging into the horse’s barrel. Then I tend to let the horse LOOK at what is making them nervous for at least a slow count to 10, and usually that is enough for the horse to realize it is not that big a deal after all.

Many years ago I accepted the fact that I am nervous EVERY TIME I start riding a new-to-me horse, even been there done that lesson horses. So long I do not take a death grip on the reins or dig my heels into their sides the horses deal with my nervousness just fine. This has included times when I was so scared my whole body was shaking.

Just being a nervous rider is not disqualifying for someone who wants to ride, so long as the rider does not torture the horse just because the rider is nervous.

Relax the reins, relax the lower legs, and breathe. A lot of the time the horse can deal with your nerves without taking it personally so long as you do not cause the horse to feel pain.

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Finding a way to work thru nerves is a skill! I am so glad that you continue to ride - AMAZING!

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Honestly, it’s not a question of “allow.” I wouldn’t “allow” my horse to kick a dog or a child on a skateboard either. The point is that dogs and sometimes children on wheeled vehicles move a lot faster than I do and can put themselves in harm’s way before I can do anything about it.

I know that it’s hard to get the “tone” of a post by a random person I don’t know, but I gotta say, I really didn’t like the implication of your post that somehow it would be my fault for “allowing” it to happen.

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Totally agree with this. We had an accident recently where a horse I have known for 7 years accidently bit a boarder when snapping at a horsey friend. Bit her badly! Horse did not mean it at all, but it happened.

I mentioned earlier that I only allow my trainer’s and my personal dog on the farm. We both fully accept they might be kicked and harmed at some point. Mine is horse savvy and trainer’s is…not smart but trained to stay away. If it happens, it happens.

Our horses could possibly give a side eye to a wheelchair but I don’t think they would care much. In any case it is my duty (and legal obligation) to make the farm safe for the disabled if they want to come here, and would accomodate as needed. My horses have seen wheelchairs at shows and not cared. I mean, compared to a water truck it is nothing!

We do have one lesson family with a (genuine) service dog, and of course the dog is permitted but it is never off leash. The ADA requires it and I would never deny a service dog. It doesn’t really interact with the farm dogs, it has a job to do.

We used to have a boarder with cerebral palsy who was confined to a wheelchair, many years ago. We built a special mounting block for him and his lovely horse. I never noticed the other horses being bothered by his wheelchair, and it was a joy to see him ride.

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Gracious what a big thread!

OP, I live in a southern climate where an indoor, and it’s expense, isn’t necessary. A covered is nice but still not necessary. We can ride year round on grass here. And it’s still incredibly difficult, and getting harder every year, to find what you’re looking for (minus an indoor / covered!) My only suggestions are too keep looking, increase your budget and be willing to compromise somewhere.

For my last boarding barn, I ended up compromising on TO. Horses only went out half days in the worst heat of summer. I would have preferred overnight TO in summer but the BO didn’t. That barn ticked all my other boxes so there we went.

You can count me in your camp of not willing to deal with chaotic hordes of dogs and kids. I don’t like kids in general and my horse attacks dogs. So.

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The latter are mobility devices and aids. The former is a leisure activity (and a sport on its own).

Additionally, with the latter, people aren’t going to go fast and are thus a lot less likely to just knock into something and/or startle the prey animals lining the aisle.

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Chiming in on the “loose dog” debate. I loathe being at barns with loose dogs because most of the time there is at least one dog that is awful. I’ve met lots of good barn dogs (or just dogs people had at the barn that day) and a lot who should have just stayed home. I say that as someone who loves petting all the dogs I meet (when appropriate). I know all our common barn dogs by name.

At one barn, everyone brought their dogs. Boarders, lesson students’ parents, trainers, everyone! The barn had two barn dogs who were allowed to wander; they didn’t ever harass the horses, nor run through/between them. One day, I was riding Nervous Gelding for my lesson. I rode him frequently so I was used to him and not concerned about his general nerves. I got ready to tack him up so put him in the tiny outdoor cross-ties that was only a bit wider than some stocks. Meanwhile, a student’s dog is playing with one of the trainer’s dog. The two are running, wrestling, growling, and body-slamming one another right where everyone is tacking up. My horse is giving them the side eye; the rest of the lesson horses are either pretty ancient or trail-string horses used to the apocalypse. I start getting a bit nervous because I have to stand in the narrow cross ties with this nervous horse. I ask my trainer (not the dog’s owner) about the dogs. I’m told that this is all “fine”.

I’m very thankful I wasn’t actually in the ties when Nervous Horse did loose his cool and kicked one of the dogs. Can’t say I blame him. The ties were at the top of a hill, with brush behind. The dogs ran up the hill, through the brush, and crashed into his legs. But yeah, it was “fine” to let them run around. Sometime after that, I watched the trainer’s dog try to chase a horse inside the round pen while trainer was lunging it. Dog just raced around the outside, jumping up to snap at the horse, but couldn’t get in because the bottom half of the pen was solid.

My own mare is used to dogs running loose because they did at the place I used to pasture board her. Her best friend was a cattle-dog-cross who thought barking loudly would help the haltering process. And the catching process. And lunging. And leading. And filling water buckets. That dog also loved running out into the pasture with the horses, sometimes even sleeping out there. I have video evidence of dogs deciding directly under her belly is a great place to nap. Oh, and one of a different dog digging a hole (throwing dirt onto said mare) right behind her back legs. She doesn’t blink at dog WW3 breaking out next to her.

Still doesn’t mean I want to be at a barn where I must constantly be vigilant that Fido isn’t going to suddenly appear and try to tackle me or my horse. Even if they didn’t spook her, that doesn’t mean she wouldn’t kick them for knocking into her or accidentally step on them while moving.

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The best boarding barn I’ve ever been at had dogs-- a LOT of dogs. I just tried to count-- I think there were eight that all lived on the property. They ALL belonged to the owner or her daughter. No boarders’ dogs. Every dog in the barn was a “professional.” Even if their profession was lying in the sun. They were not chasing or barking or antagonizing horses or people in any other way. Occasionally one would emerge from the shrubbery next to the outdoor which could be scary the first six times it happened, and then the reaction from the horses was, “Oh, Paisley’s in the hedges again,” with a mental eye roll. The owner tried to put this dog inside while people rode, mostly because she was old and blind and didn’t know if she was underfoot but if I got there and dogs were out I wasn’t going to not ride.

That being said, if I went to check out a boarding barn and there were annoying dogs, even a little annoying, it would be a deal breaker. An acquaintance lost 9 mos in training on her four year old when a dog that lived at the barn bit him right above the hock and penetrated his superficial flexor. That dog (a Dane mix) also bit a child on the back of the shoulder about a year later and was euthanized. But it was allowed to run freely on the barn for 6 years. The barn owner still lets her dogs, all huge, roam free, in the rings, anywhere they like. I like the BO as a person but her management skills are lacking and the dogs are dangerous. My own trainer doesn’t allow her dog or anyone else’s in the barn.

About the skateboarding in the aisle-- I have one horse that couldn’t give half a sh*t about a skateboarding child, and my last one would have tried to jump into my arms. I can’t imagine anyone would be completely fine with a child skateboarding in the aisle. Even if my horse was fine with it, it’s an unnecessary disruption. I guess my confusion with this thread is how you move into a boarding barn completely oblivious of the ambiance there. If OP was just ignorant of boarding barn shopping, my advice is always to show up during “regular” hours.

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Personally speaking from experience I would not allow people needing these items to just peruse the isles when people are handling their horses. I was on crutches with my broken ankle and the horses were terrified of them.

It went better when I was just on 1 crutch but honestly I was shocked at their reaction. Much less visible then any of the aids you listed. I would add stroller to the list as well!

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Oh my yes strollers. I get anxiety just thinking about it. Parking strollers with babies in them in aisles is dangerous. One wrong move from a horse could be fatal for an infant in a stroller.

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Good luck with this approach because one day it is going to severely bite you in the ass. Handle enough horses and you will find that some horses are not wired right nor do they take every joke. I’d say you’ve been lucky so far if you haven’t had repercussions.

And FWIW, there are some hot and reactive horses that are going to be hot and reactive regardless the handler. Yes, they are not for beginner handlers but calmness does not automatically happen by osmosis. Horses react and blow up even with the most experienced professionals. Enough time around elite and experienced jockeys with crazy but seriously talented racehorses will teach you that.

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I did exactly this when I got so fed up with my previous boarding barn. There were no screaming kids and loose dogs, but the middle-aged women (I’m one too) were intolerable. One of them insists on turning her horse LOOSE on the property every evening, despite the fact that he has a lovely, large pasture to live in that is safely fenced. The other day, said free-range beastie nearly got out on the busy ROAD because he was turned loose and his owner was completely out of sight in the barn socializing. I and another boarder were out riding and saw him and had to call her on her cell to tell her the horse was out. He thankfully didn’t get out on the road and was finally caught. After that day, one would think she’d have the common sense not to turn him loose again, right? Wrong.

I board next to this circus of a facility (where stalls have the BO’s hoard of all sorts of useless junk instead of horses), so I still see the crazy from a slightly safer distance. But when I left that place, I left immediately. Called the BO up and said I was leaving the next morning. She was upset and kept telling me that if I wasn’t happy with the situation at her barn I should have SAID something to her. I told her that it’s not my place to tell her how to run her own barn and that she didn’t need to change things for me.

She still got into a huff and would speak to me or the BO where I moved (who is one of her good friends) for several months.

But how do you tell someone, your barn is a nightmare. You make absolutely asinine decisions that I consider completely unsafe, and allow people to do stupid things that could get others killed. The boarder that turns the horse loose is the BO’s best friend. She wasn’t going to tell her to stop it. In fact, the BO saw nothing wrong with it. She saw nothing wrong with a LOT of things that simply were NOT okay. So, “saying something” to her would have been a waste of time. She would have said I was being ridiculous or difficult because…I think the water tanks should be dumped and scrubbed now and then. Or…that it’s not okay to blow the aisleway out while a horse is literally standing on the cross-ties in the aisleway! Or driving the lawnmower into the barn and right up behind a horse in the cross-ties is not a good idea. Or ponying an OTTB on the golf cart with the feed cart rattling and banging along behind it on a cool, windy day might not be a great decision. All of these things led to issues that puzzled the BO. She couldn’t understand why the horses would freak out or snatch away or sit back or whatever. And nothing I could say could fix that.

So I left. Immediately. And she acted like it was my fault that I never spoke up. I DID. It was pretty obvious that I wasn’t thrilled when my horse was jumping out of his skin at every stupid thing that went on there (and the list was extensive). When I couldn’t turn him around in the aisle because the BO’s hoard of junk was so bad that my horse was stepping on boxes and getting tangled in cords and knocking over plants and candles and who-knows-what.

Humans have a responsibility to create a safe environment for the horses and their people. Especially humans who are happy to take my money every month.

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Candles??? In a barn???

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That place sounds like a nightmare!

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The thing is that you can be a pro and have your horse totally trained to stand still when it gets a fright. That does not mean you happen to be standing/walking next to someone else’s horse who reacts to the skateboarder and injures you, which neither of you heard before it appeared.

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Plus, horses are horses, not robots. Even the most perfectly trained, reliable horse can and will do something unexpected at some point.

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Not lit, LOL. Candles and candlesticks actually. Just leftover stuff from someone’s wedding that got plopped into the barn aisle.

The shame of it was that the actual farm and facility are lovely. Cute barn. Nice big pastures with big run-in shelters. A good ring with nice footing. Very pretty setting. But the accumulation of junk and the lax attitude about safety were more than I could handle.

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I feel this in a way I haven’t in all my years of boarding. I am struggling at my new boarding barn. I have never boarded somewhere that hay was not generously provided. I usually have to say feed the fatties less please. Now I have one dropping weight and another acting like they have ulcers. I am supplementing with hay I have now bought but dang does going out daily to feed it suck. They will feed my hay but not stuff it in a net. Which said fatties need to give them more chew time. So I am trying to find ways to make it work for the barn, myself, and the animals that depend on me to be sure they are taken care of.

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