No, it is a criminal act.
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Why would anyone advocate for this who isn’t openly supporting those sanctioned?
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To put less fine a point on it, what politician do you see who would see some upside to publicly advocating for lessening sanctions designed to protect athletes, many of whom are minors, from these people?
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Of COURSE it is! To you and me. It is also a crime. But my point is that it is NOT considered a flaw by EVERYONE. And not by the lawmakers in power now. Wasn’t that clear?
I was responding to the comment that the “optics” of siding with sexual assaulters would be too appalling for Congress to involve itself with.
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Publicly it is.
you are trying to make an off topic political commentary, which is annoying, but whatever.
Again, no politician is going to advocate publicly in support of predators who’ve been banned from a club membership by calling for a change to the agency tasked with protecting athletes, many children.
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That too.
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Why are you explaining how it works to me and why are you trying to explain RD’s asinine comments?
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I DON’T see any politician supporting a raised standard of proof. It was the one concrete suggestion for reform of SS in Dover’s letter, but I don’t see it as having a snowball’s chance in hell. That’s why I see the letter as nothing more than a meaningless gesture.
Sort of like a grandiose way of saying “We feel for you, Bob.”
Perhaps this is the way people mourn for their banned friends and colleagues.
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Didn’t you post that they could not use a standard of proof of beyond a reasonable doubt given that they were using arbitration?
Didn’t you ask me why I was advocating for it? I’m not.
Why did you respond to my post by saying they could not raise the standard of proof as long as they use arbitration? They can.
Why did you ask why I was advocating for the change? I’m not.
So you’re posting just to post. Got it.
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Ah well. I’ll have to settle for an ‘A‘ for effort.
Apology accepted.
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Apparently, I did not understand your posts. I apologize.
I have expressed my opinion about the people who are whining about the “unfairness” of Safe Sport on the H/J forum so I may as well do it here as well.
To all the people that are up in arms defending their friends and/or colleagues, especially those that put forward the excuse that “it was a long time ago” :disgust: ; It is very easy not to have issues with Safe Sport. Don’t have sexual relationships with minors. Period. Healthy, decent people don’t do this. If the Safe Sport guidelines and best practices are followed, both minors and their teachers will be protected.
It doesn’t matter how long ago that your friend had a sexual relationship with a minor. People who have ever thought that it’s OK to seduce or assault minors should not be allowed to teach or mentor them. Dirty old men are called dirty old men for a reason and you can be assured that they’ve been “dirty” all of their lives.
Healthy adults understand that it is completely inappropriate (and criminal) behavior to seduce or sexually assault a minor. People who thought that behavior was OK years ago are unlikely to have had a moral epiphany since then.
It doesn’t matter to me how long ago someone seduced or assaulted a minor. No one in their right mind should allow them to have access to minors again, ever.
It’s shocking that some people are so inured to the behavior that this even has to be said.:no:
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But, but, due process!!! Unfair!!! Junior whores!!! Constitutional right to luxury sport pet club membership!!!
Just kidding, just wanted to quote your post since it really does need to be said over and over again.
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There is another issue for those who ‘like’d’, and it is who holds the power within ‘their’ organization. It is the nature of sports organizations (and probably most organizations) that the power to elevate individuals to significance, and to ignore those who are not wanted, and to control the direction of the sport, tends to become concentrated within a small group insider elites. Those elites hold that power tenaciously.
SS is invading the circle of privilege. If SS were only picking off some fringe professionals with no real influence in the sport, I doubt anyone would be speaking out, or writing letters, or forming counter-organizations - or ‘liking’.
One of the things that gives SS credibility with me is that they are stepping up to some of the most iconic figures in horse sport. GM is untouchable in the sport, and the others are not people one could easily dislodge from their pedestals. It’s just why SS was created, to do what the organization itself could never, would never, do. But it is to be expected that the elites are not going to take this invasion kindly.
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I agree, and continue to be astounded that the people whom are accused of molesting minors and have had the accusations found credible, are people that are considered “elite” and that they are being defended by other “elite” people in equestrian sport.
Honestly , who gives a damn how “elite” they are, how well they ride and train horses, or how effective they are at teaching riders. I couldn’t care less how great anyone is at their chosen profession when they attempt to excuse child abuse.
The fact that people consider these people to be “elite” and therefore somehow excused from behaving with common decency, IE not engaging in or defending the molestation of minors (which is de rigueur for most people, elite or otherwise:cool:) is such a sick attitude that I am amazed that these people can live with themselves. They are presenting themselves as scum and they better wake up and realize that most people (apparently outside of their circle of friends) find their defense of child abusers appalling.
I have a dear lifelong friend who is gay. He has struggled to overcome the abuse that some bastard inflicted upon him when he was a child. It doesn’t matter that the abuse took place decades ago. He has had to re-live the abuse he suffered in the form of nightmares for all of his teenage years and his adult life.
There is no excuse for child abuse. The fact that people are trying to diminish the seriousness of adults taking sexual advantage of minors because “it was a long time ago” is disgusting.
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I wish everyone would understand that. 5 minutes or decades ago doesn’t make a difference at all, that victim has not forgotten the trauma.
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I won’t hit “like” on anything I disagree with…if I were a BNT, unless I agreed with him I would stay wayyyy away from that Robert Dover post
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I will be checking those likes out and cutting any friend or colleague I know who liked that post out of my life.
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