Breeding show etiguette.

[Pennywell_Bay]

[QUOTE=enjoytheride;7612629]
How very frustrating having someone video you disciplining a horse. No matter the method or the reason some people are always going to scream abuse. I had a 2yo colt rear over the top of me a few months ago and I would have made America’s Most Wanted if anyone had been filming. He was very polite the next day.[/QUOTE]

You know- the crazy part was- all he had was a chain. As I walked, I played with the chain, like a “thump, thump” in rhythm with us walking to occupy him. It’s hard to describe but definitely not even “shanking” him.

The man was really belligerent. I was embarrassed and really shouldn’t have engaged him. One other groom shouted over " she isn’t abusing him…%^$k off". For whatever reason it really upset me, which I was worried would feed into Soon-to-be/Ballless behavior.

He was like “I’ve been taping you for an hour”. Creeped me out.

[alto]

@vxf111;7612501

On that very same thread people were defending having HB on the same day as the Grand Prix saying that the exposure was good for the horses and that a good horse is a good horse in any venue. The very defense of having HB on Thursday was having more activity on the same day as HB. Sorry, but you can’t have it both ways.

Nothing to do with a show venue, but have you never noticed that horses are often reactive to horses leaving a “property/venue” - day shows not really, but if horses have been “stabled” on the same grounds for several days, the remaining horses are alert to the departing (full) trailers, some calling etc even though they are still in their own home barn group.

[vxf111]

Alto, half of the world also left when HB was Thursday so that argument doesn’t really work. And a lot of the HB horses trailered in for the day and didn’t stay over. There was always a crapload of commotion on/before their old day. Facts don’t fit that argument in this case.

[vxf111]

The HB horses primarily ARRIVED after the performance horses had already left.

[alto]

Then it’s running like a day show & nothing I mentioned is relevant … which is rather what I said

[vxf111]

Then the comment was rather unhelpful, no?! Maybe refrain from speculating if you don’t know enough to understand how the show runs!!?

[Claudius]

The colt in question was exceptional in several ways. He was exceptionally beautiful, exceptionally athletic, an exceptional mover, and just so high on himself and aroused that he could not contain himself!! No venue was responsible…most likely the owners were responsible for not gelding him sooner!! Lesson learned…I sympathize with them wanting to keep him entire with the idea of standing him some day…but then they should not have shown him in hand after his first dangerous performance at St. Christopher’s. In the spring, behavior such as his only gets worse. Lesson learned,hopefully!!!

[alto]

[QUOTE=vxf111;7612869]
Then the comment was rather unhelpful, no?! Maybe refrain from speculating if you don’t know enough to understand how the show runs!!?[/QUOTE]

Gosh THAT put me in my

place

(way down here)

• is this far enough though

perhaps not

much better here I suspect
:sigh:

BUT you’re right I know NOTHING about young horses or shows or erhhhmmm really much of anything

after all I am NOT American :o :o :o

AND have never been to DAD

Gosh maybe I should skip that show with Anne Gribbons & Axel Steiner after all - afterall my horse can’t possibly know how to show in such rated company :uhoh:

Damn I’ve already paid - what to do, what to do :eek: :eek: :eek:

But WAIT - vxf111 will know :yes: :yes: :yes:

[lauriep]

The colt never touched the handler. The handler just collapsed. From exhaustion, probably, but the colt did not step on him or knock him down. I was in the stands and watching the handler/horse intently the entire time. Just a clarification.

Vxf111, people are entitled to their opinions, and being defensive about this doesn’t help anything. I was one of the naysayers, and although there were some parts I liked, like the availability of the Gold Ring, I would still rather it were on Thursday. And I went to souvenir booth and they were sold out of the three things I wanted to buy. The “feel” of the day, to me, was that of an afterthought, not the highlight of our sport. But again, that is MY opinion from MY particular situation.

[vxf111]

Only irritated at alto who likes to follow me on threads just to tell me I’m wrong but was talking out of her @ss on this occasion. She clearly thought she had a snarky explanation for why the colt acted up-- he knew other horses were leaving (post #22). Her presumption was that, at DHS, the performance horses were going as the breeding classes were showing. She presumed that, clearly, in her post. If not, why even post it?! Only, that isn’t true-- that’s factually incorrect. Then, instead of saying “oh, I was wrong then” suddenly her earlier post means EXACTLY the opposite of what it says (post #25). Her earlier post apparently actually talks about a situation she knew NOT to apply at DHS?! And we’re all stupid for reading it in plain English because it OBVIOUSLY says something totally unhelpful and off topic instead of the on topic but WRONG thing it actually seems to say. Because, above all, alto MUST be right and I MUST be wrong. It’s her hobby, seemingly I should feel flattered, I guess.

Now because she’s been to DAD apparently she’s an expert on how DHS runs. Hilarious. I suppose because I’ve been to Pittsburgh I am an expert on Philadelphia. Not that DAD is at all like DHS so again… She’s totally unhelpful. Different time of year. Different management. Different schedule. Different environment. Totally different. My horse has done both-- breeding classes at both, so I’ve actually BEEN THERE for the breeding classes on both days, so I’d actually have a clue.

How many times do the horse’s OWN CONNECTIONS have to state the explanation before people will accept it?!

Sorry we ran out of the 3 souvenirs you want before you got to the booth laurie. If they were basic type items, check the website. I hope you were happy that the country fair stayed opened until after all the breeding classes were done and we still had lots of items, albeit not the three specific items you wanted (out of curiosity, what were they? maybe I can procure them for you?!)

[BaysofourLives]

[QUOTE=Zuri;7611921]
The other handler (who excused himself from the ring in that class) was directly behind that stud colt. The 2 year old colt he was handling became unnerved by the stud colt and unfortunately, withdrew in the best interest of the other exhibitors. It was really ashame.[/QUOTE]

My colt was the other one who excused himself from the ring. He is still intact but is a HUGE baby when it comes to other horses, seriously. Baby mouths to my mares at home. He was in front of the other colt and was very unnerved by him, when it came time to jog the colt was on 2 legs at the other end of the ring and my colt said “NO WAY”. He did not want to head towards that other horse, understandably so. Unfortunately he did have a meltdown and the handler made the absolute right decision by leaving the ring and removing him from the situation. When we got back to the barn my poor boy was shaking he was so upset. Gave him a few minutes to calm down, brought him back out and jogged him a bit so he didn’t end on a bad note. He was perfectly fine.

Sometimes when showing stallions at such a young age, you eventually have to let them go home and learn to be stallions and then let them learn to be performance horses. It is a LOT for their little brains to take in. Mine has had a few moments although nowhere near like the chestnuts, and yes if mine did act that way we would stop by the vets on the way to remove his family jewels.

At the end of the day, no matter whether it’s a colt or filly, asking a young animal to stand perfectly still for 45+ minutes in the heat is a bit unfair. Try and find a human child, who you can actually speak to, that can do that. Add in a stud colt who has one extra thing on his mind and you’re asking for the impossible.

[MHM]

Baysofourlives, sorry you had some bad luck there. I hope the next time out goes better for you.

[Pennywell_Bay]

[QUOTE=BaysofourLives;7613759]
My colt was the other one who excused himself from the ring. He is still intact but is a HUGE baby when it comes to other horses, seriously. Baby mouths to my mares at home. He was in front of the other colt and was very unnerved by him, when it came time to jog the colt was on 2 legs at the other end of the ring and my colt said “NO WAY”. He did not want to head towards that other horse, understandably so. Unfortunately he did have a meltdown and the handler made the absolute right decision by leaving the ring and removing him from the situation. When we got back to the barn my poor boy was shaking he was so upset. Gave him a few minutes to calm down, brought him back out and jogged him a bit so he didn’t end on a bad note. He was perfectly fine.

Sometimes when showing stallions at such a young age, you eventually have to let them go home and learn to be stallions and then let them learn to be performance horses. It is a LOT for their little brains to take in. Mine has had a few moments although nowhere near like the chestnuts, and yes if mine did act that way we would stop by the vets on the way to remove his family jewels.

At the end of the day, no matter whether it’s a colt or filly, asking a young animal to stand perfectly still for 45+ minutes in the heat is a bit unfair. Try and find a human child, who you can actually speak to, that can do that. Add in a stud colt who has one extra thing on his mind and you’re asking for the impossible.[/QUOTE]

Your colt is lovely, handler super and you handled it with pure class. Your attitude is great sportsmanship in crappy circumstances.

[vxf111]

Smart decision bays. I am sure horse show karma will go your way x10 next time!!

[Zuri]

[QUOTE=BaysofourLives;7613759]
My colt was the other one who excused himself from the ring. He is still intact but is a HUGE baby when it comes to other horses, seriously. Baby mouths to my mares at home. He was in front of the other colt and was very unnerved by him, when it came time to jog the colt was on 2 legs at the other end of the ring and my colt said “NO WAY”. He did not want to head towards that other horse, understandably so. Unfortunately he did have a meltdown and the handler made the absolute right decision by leaving the ring and removing him from the situation. When we got back to the barn my poor boy was shaking he was so upset. Gave him a few minutes to calm down, brought him back out and jogged him a bit so he didn’t end on a bad note. He was perfectly fine.

Sometimes when showing stallions at such a young age, you eventually have to let them go home and learn to be stallions and then let them learn to be performance horses. It is a LOT for their little brains to take in. Mine has had a few moments although nowhere near like the chestnuts, and yes if mine did act that way we would stop by the vets on the way to remove his family jewels.

At the end of the day, no matter whether it’s a colt or filly, asking a young animal to stand perfectly still for 45+ minutes in the heat is a bit unfair. Try and find a human child, who you can actually speak to, that can do that. Add in a stud colt who has one extra thing on his mind and you’re asking for the impossible.[/QUOTE]

What you and your handler did was totally classy in my mind and I was so sorry you were unable to finish the class. I saw your colt go last year and he is lovely. I thought standing for 45 minutes was a lot to ask of young horses as it appeared the 2 judges worked seperately from each end so the horses didn’t get much of a break. You could tell you and your handler work with your colt at home as he was very well behaved before the other colt started his antics.

You were very considerate, not only of others, but of your colt. Good luck at Warrenton!

[BaysofourLives]

Gosh, thanks everyone so much! I am somewhat new to this (only my 2nd year doing the HB), but I look at it as nothing more than experience for the future so sometimes hard decisions must be made in order to work towards future success.

I will probably not take him back in the hunter breeding and do some more dressage in hand stuff and the Young Horse Show series. Since I’m raising him as a stallion, I’d like him to be well-rounded. I do have my yearling colt that will do warrenton/SBW though

And a little plug for his sire, my colt is by Banderas out of Jete’ by Columbus. He has the same dam as Balta’Czar, Aslan, and Fidelio (all approved stallions).

[vxf111]

My horse is a hunter horse but he did the DAD materiale and under saddle classes as a young horse as well as DHS YHUS. I thought all were fabulous experiences but that DAD was especially nice because he had one class in the Dixon and one in the Gold very separated by time-- so he had a lot of time to decompress and get his bearings between. I was on the fence about doing DAD since I am a hunter person but I am really glad I did it. And the DHS YHUS is super fun, when your horse is old enough-- although mine acted like a turd both times

[enjoytheride]

For something completely different, check out halter classes in the arabian world

http://www.usefnetwork.com/featured/2014Egyptian/

[Mardi]

Don’t want to start a riot…this is just a question.

Last year at the Sallie B Wheeler Finals for HB, the judges had the horses presented on a triangle.

Did the judges use the triangle at Devon this year ? Or at Upperville ?

[Claudius]

No, they do not do the triangle at Devon or Upperville. It was the first time they did it I think at the SBW show. I would love to know how the judges felt about it. It sure does give one a better idea of the horse’s potential as an athlete!!! But I think if the hunter shows embraced this format, they might have to allow the more senior handlers to have a “runner” to do the triangle.