Brought sweet horse home, now she's bossy and has an attitude.

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asterix, you wrote, “I don’t think it’s beating up on the OP about turnout. This mare is both alone and in a stall 24-7. In my experience there are very few horses who would not find this situation miserable. They are social, mobile animals. Take all stimulation away from them and it is really unhealthy.”

I agree. But read what I wrote again.

I agree with you that removing all stimulation isn’t healthy, but that’s not what I said. I said specifically turn out. While I agree that it is ideally better, there were a few posters who wrote about her needing to be out 24/7. When we all know that’s not the issue here…

Turn her out, fix the grass issues later.

Check out FB groups in your area, they can be pretty good for turning up a trainer. Heck, umm, ASK your trainer to come out and help you, pay for that help.

Someone’s going to get hurt. If that mare has lived one way for 12 years with horse company in plain view, and is now all alone and locked up, someone AKA YOU will get HURT. She’s not pawing at you, she’s pawing out of frustration and anxiety, trying to figure out where all the other horses in the world went.

Screw the grass. turn her out.

ETA: Once turned out she may settle down, OR she may pace herself sick, literally. Please, please- get some real life help.

Please.

Sounds as if you are in over your head with this horse. Many of us have found ourselves in a similar position, and have needed the assistance of a professional. Your current situation is not serving anyone, including the horse well. If you have not already crossed that line, it is quickly escalating into the danger zone.

If this mare lived and worked well at another facility for 12 years, she can be managed, you just need more tools in your toolbox. Previous owners would not have kept her for 12 years if she was a nut case. You need to learn the required skills, and provide an environment and program that will support success.

At this point, my recommendation is to contact the previous horse owner, and barn manager. These are the people have the skills you need to learn. (Unfortunately, your recent boarding location does not seem to have the skill set required). Explain the pickle you have found yourself in, and beg assistance.

If they will allow, you to return to the original environment, with the people who know her, I would do so. I do expect you will receive some pushback, as good training and manners can be quickly undone. It is a lot of work to return to previous level of function.

There is a wonderful article floating around on social media, that provides excellent insight to the problem you are experiencing. It describes how the changes of home, management style, fear, inexperience, feed, turn out, work level etc. can take a saint, and turn it into a dragon. Perhaps others can assist in providing a link?

I would suggest finding a boarding barn (different) to keep her at while you are working on your place. Then you can take lessons with her, be it handling or riding and that will help you have confidence and knowledge when you bring her home again–hopefully with a friend or two.

If not that is not possible, turn her out into something bigger than a stall asap. Start thinking about where to build a dry lot for future rain days.

Good luck. I’m glad you are trying to get help. Lots of good advice on this thread. I also agree with contacting the original owner for advice on boarding, training, etc.

OP, good luck, and good on ya for asking for advice. There is some good advice here already for you.

Having property that is suitable for horses is necessary. If you had a good gravel/sand base that drains easily and quickly, it is cheaper to make good turn out paddocks. If you have a clay base, it takes cash to change that, it’s expensive. That is why horse properties really like to buy land that has a good gravel base. Get the property you have functional for keeping horses. This is going to take some money invested, drainage, an excavator, and bringing in material that is going to work for you as suitable footing. Your coach or trainer should not have allowed this horse to be taken home knowing that the situation at home is not currently suitable. If this is impossible to do, too expensive, then you will have to go back to looking for a boarding situation that is suitable.

About the horse… it is hard to say if this horse is going to be suitable for you and your daughter in the long run. Not all horses are like this, have the issues that this horse has demonstrated. But every horse is a master of body language, far more experienced at “reading” people, and other horses, than you are. She can just look at you, and read your experience level. And she knows that you are at a disadvantage. This is not being “bad”, or “evil” or “rude”, it is just being a horse. YOU, as the human, must learn how to interact with her in a way she can understand and respect. Not many humans have this information automatically installed, most have to learn it. But you could probably find an easier equine partner to learn it with than this one. Good horses for green people to learn on are horses who do not attack other horses, or people, and are less interested in the intricacies of herd behavior and establishing pecking order. They are a bit more placid than the one you are dealing with at the moment, even when living accommodations are less than ideal.

The horse like yours will read an experienced handler, and respond accurately, and appear to be “easy” and “sweet”. But will take advantage of a situation where she is able to. The horse is a product of both her innate personality, and the experiences she has had with people and other horses and living accommodations in her life so far. Either of these aspects of her personality may be improved, with the right approach from a skilled and experience human. I don’t know if you can be that human, given your green state. Maybe you can, with help. This is not “training” the horse, it is training the human. You need to find a human trainer. The horse is not a machine, who can be “programmed” to “behave”, and turned loose onto it’s owner’s care and expect it to remain programmed. It’s a living, thinking being, with a history of baggage that it packs around with it, which influence it’s opinions and ideas and behaviour. Use of a whip, encouraging someone to carry a whip, is questionable, as the use of a tool like this is very dependant on the skill of the handler. You can’t “discipline” or “bully” your way to respect from your horse. Your horse will start to respect you when you earn it, by communicating with it effectively, showing it what you want it to do for you, and responding to the horse in a two way communication.

Good luck, and welcome to the world of horse ownership. It’s expensive.

I’ve turned her out for several hours the past 2 days and she is so much happier! She is listening to me and being an all around sweeter horse. Lead my daughter around on her this morning and she did great. I am lookin for some type of companion for this horse to make her the happiest she can be here. Another horse is not an option. Looking into small donkey or goat. Any suggestions on best companion? I’m thinking donkey because goats are notorious about finding a way out of the fence.

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I’ve turned her out for several hours the past 2 days and she is so much happier! She is listening to me and being an all around sweeter horse. Lead my daughter around on her this morning and she did great. I am lookin for some type of companion for this horse to make her the happiest she can be here. Another horse is not an option. Looking into small donkey or goat. Any suggestions on best companion? I’m thinking donkey because goats are notorious about finding a way out of the fence.[/QUOTE]

Depending on the turnout situation I’d look for a retired pony or mini before a donkey. If the mare would be turned out on grass, maybe a mini won’t work because they often cannot tolerate pasture. In your situation I’d try not to introduce a new species with its own unique feeding/vet/farrier requirements. And you are likely to be able to find a nice, easy to handle retired pony before a nice, easy donkey.

I’m glad turnout is working. Many people underestimate the importance of getting good horses out of the stall. You may want to consider putting her our after breakfast and back in at dinner.

:applause: Nancy M!
Very nicely put :yes:

OP:
Glad turnout seems to be helping.
But don’t go patting yourself on the back& thinking all your issues are now resolved.
You will still need help from someone with more experience to make sure both you & your daughter are handling the mare safely.
An internet BB is helpful, but hardly the Be All End All for solving problems if you are a novice horsekeeper.

For instance: any thoughts as to how you will handle things when mare refuses to come in from turnout?
Catching a loose horse in pasture - no matter how small the field - is an art in itself.

BTW:
Donkeys are not just small long-eared horses - they think very differently.
If you were in over your head with the mare, a donkey could give you a whole new set of problems.
Your mare could be just fine w/o a companion but if your are determined to add, look for a retired horse or pony.

I would not be leading your daughter around on this horse until you have a better handle on how to lead her and control her. I think I remember that your daughter is 4. Was she wearing a helmet? Does she know what to do if she falls down? Was there anyone else around if you were hurt by the horse? If your daughter fell under the horse, can you control her feet enough to get your daughter to safety without the horse trampling her?

This is not the time for pony rides.

Donkeys carry lung worms. Opt for a shetland or a mini…

please, find a trainer that will come to you, at the very least. turnout may have helped with this issue, so far, but horses have a funny way of coming up with new games to play, and you need to know what to do, to deal with whatever this mare comes up with to throw at you next.

http://horsenetwork.com/2014/07/wanted-horse-beginner-safe/

Please hold off on getting a companion. Not only has this horse already demonstrated severe aggression to other horses but if she does happen to fall in love with her companion then you’ll have a whole new series of herd bound behaviors to deal with. Two is usually never a very good number.

I love my donkeys, but will share a couple thoughts.

I brought a horse home with a mini donkey, just knowing it was temporary, but quickly added a second (standard) donkey for two reasons. 1) donkeys prefer donkeys to horses 2) donkey would be very, very upset if was taking the horse off the property and leaving him to fend alone (which is how I believe he views it as a prey animal).

Second thing is I had my dry lot ready before the pasture. Dry lot is a must with donkeys.

Finally, donkeys eat wood and bark more than a horse will, so hot fencing is your friend.

Good grief!

No disrespect intended.

I have no dominance issues with my mare at all, but I would be hospitalized if I tried this with my mare when she is out 24/7, let alone stalled 24/7.

NOT something for a new horse owner to attempt.

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I’ve done a little bit of research regarding companions, i was interested in getting a goat. Anyone had experience with mixing horses and goats? Was it successful?[/QUOTE]

My mares both share a pasture on occasion with my goats and do fine. Your mare has severe aggression issues and I fear her being that way toward the goat as well.

SuckerForHorses Thank you for posting. This is the article I was referring to in post #63.

OP, please review post #73 for valuable information.

Great info on post 73! A trainer is coming out to the house tomorrow!

Great news!
Hope this trainer works out for you, DD & your mare :yes: