Bucking in right lead canter transition

[FineAlready]

A little update on this:

Had our vet appointment yesterday, and based on how he looked on the lunge, my vet felt that it is a combination of hocks and stifles. Primarily left hock and right stifle. Injected both yesterday, so we will see. Unfortunately, this horse does not permit himself to have flexion tests (like, really, you have no idea!), so everything we do with him is a little bit of guesswork based on past experience.

Hopefully this was it. He’s already more comfortable picking up his hind feet for cleaning.

[FineAlready]

So, another update. I’m sorry to keep bringing this thread to the top randomly, but I hate it when someone starts a thread like this and then doesn’t follow it through to conclusion.

The hock/stifle injections absolutely helped him and he is definitely more comfortable. But he was still pulling his head to the left in upward transitions, still pissy about moving forward, and still wanting to raise his head in transitions. So, something was obviously still bothering him.

HOWEVER, I also took him to a saddle fitting this week (we are in the process of switching him from being a hunter to being a dressage horse, so I was looking at dressage saddles). Let me tell you, the saddle fitting was very eye opening. Long story short, he has big sloping shoulders (which I knew), and a VERY small saddle support area (which I did not know). His last rib is deceivingly far forward in comparison to his overall length. Anyway, I rode him in a saddle that was specially paneled to address these issues, and he was like a COMPLETELY different horse. I feel terrible now that I understand the issues. He was light off my leg, movement was fantastic, no grumpiness whatsoever, not girthy (which he usually is). Basically, he just couldn’t do what I wanted him to do in any of my other saddles, I think. Now to figure out how to afford the saddle that improved him so much!

[BravAddict]

Just another voice for hock - right hock. My horse has an almost-fused right hock and her right lead canter departs are what sticks.

Just read your latest update aaaand we also have THAT problem. You’re not alone I’ve been eyeing this Jaguar for months!

[kelly27]

You should check out HorseDVM.com - they have a symptom checker which would be perfect for you .

[SuckerForHorses]

[QUOTE=kelly27;7544120]
You should check out HorseDVM.com - they have a symptom checker which would be perfect for you .[/QUOTE]

:lol:

[caryledee]

[QUOTE=FineAlready;7524548]
So, another update. I’m sorry to keep bringing this thread to the top randomly, but I hate it when someone starts a thread like this and then doesn’t follow it through to conclusion.

The hock/stifle injections absolutely helped him and he is definitely more comfortable. But he was still pulling his head to the left in upward transitions, still pissy about moving forward, and still wanting to raise his head in transitions. So, something was obviously still bothering him.

HOWEVER, I also took him to a saddle fitting this week (we are in the process of switching him from being a hunter to being a dressage horse, so I was looking at dressage saddles). Let me tell you, the saddle fitting was very eye opening. Long story short, he has big sloping shoulders (which I knew), and a VERY small saddle support area (which I did not know). His last rib is deceivingly far forward in comparison to his overall length. Anyway, I rode him in a saddle that was specially paneled to address these issues, and he was like a COMPLETELY different horse. I feel terrible now that I understand the issues. He was light off my leg, movement was fantastic, no grumpiness whatsoever, not girthy (which he usually is). Basically, he just couldn’t do what I wanted him to do in any of my other saddles, I think. Now to figure out how to afford the saddle that improved him so much![/QUOTE]
My horse is built the same way! Saddle fitting is so tricky with this build. What brand of saddle did you try that addresses this issue?

[FineAlready]

[QUOTE=caryledee;7544473]
My horse is built the same way! Saddle fitting is so tricky with this build. What brand of saddle did you try that addresses this issue?[/QUOTE]

The saddle I tried was a Schleese with shoulder relief panels and a relief wedge (upswept panels in back). His saddle support area is 17" long, and I ride in a 17 1/2" saddle…that’s where our problems begin.

He’s actually doing much better now even with just shimming a Mattes pad for my current (jumping) saddle that fits him the best out of the ones that I have (although still too long). He’s not going as great as he did in the Schleese, but definitely WAY better than he was going before I shimmed the current saddle differently.

[FineAlready]

[QUOTE=kelly27;7544120]
You should check out HorseDVM.com - they have a symptom checker which would be perfect for you .[/QUOTE]

Why the laughter SuckerForHorses? It’s certainly a pretty crude website, and at this point I think my veterinary intervention and saddle fit expedition have our issues pretty well worked out, but I still thought it was an interesting site for doing some very rough analysis.

[shezabrazenmare]

Interesting about the schleese saddle. Have you had a back specialist look at the horse as someone suggested? You should. Horse might have some back problems and a specialist will either find them or eliminate back issues as the cause of the horse’s problems.

[FineAlready]

The horse has been extensively evaluated throughout my entire nearly 6 year ownership of him by the vets at the well respected clinic that I use.

He is not back sore at all, but does go better in a saddle that actually fits him due to the saddle fit issues identified at the fitting (large sloped shoulders, short saddle support area, fairly prominent withers).

[candysgirl]

My Arab bucks in the canter for one of two reasons: 1) he’s out in his SI or 2) he’s unfit.

[M]

Ultrasound hips too. Mine has a bone chip. (had injection and hoping long time off will help.) He will do adjustment bucks sometimes. More a hop buck - very different from play bucks. Analyze his leg movement at different walk lengths and trot. Observe any difference in amount if rotation, flexion. Note is there is an apparent stall and at what point. Note if he seems agitated at certain times in different lengths of stride or speed.

As per, raising head to trot - does he seem to leap into trot? If so check pectoral muscles.

[caryledee]

[QUOTE=FineAlready;7546152]
The saddle I tried was a Schleese with shoulder relief panels and a relief wedge (upswept panels in back). His saddle support area is 17" long, and I ride in a 17 1/2" saddle…that’s where our problems begin.

He’s actually doing much better now even with just shimming a Mattes pad for my current (jumping) saddle that fits him the best out of the ones that I have (although still too long). He’s not going as great as he did in the Schleese, but definitely WAY better than he was going before I shimmed the current saddle differently.[/QUOTE]

I am glad you got to the bottom of it! It took me a while to realize how short my horse’s ribcage was too. He is a big 17 hand horse with a small weight bearing area for the saddle. I have long legs which definitely makes the issue worse. I finally broke down and bought a semi custom saddle for him over the weekend. I am hoping and praying it will fit him right!

[SuckerForHorses]

[QUOTE=FineAlready;7546158]
Why the laughter SuckerForHorses? It’s certainly a pretty crude website, and at this point I think my veterinary intervention and saddle fit expedition have our issues pretty well worked out, but I still thought it was an interesting site for doing some very rough analysis.[/QUOTE]

Bold is my emphasis. That is exactly why I was laughing. You put in two to three symptoms and the list of “possible conditions” multiplied by 10 with each one you added.

[shezabrazenmare]

[QUOTE=FineAlready;7524548]
So, another update. I’m sorry to keep bringing this thread to the top randomly, but I hate it when someone starts a thread like this and then doesn’t follow it through to conclusion.

The hock/stifle injections absolutely helped him and he is definitely more comfortable. But he was still pulling his head to the left in upward transitions, still pissy about moving forward, and still wanting to raise his head in transitions. So, something was obviously still bothering him.

HOWEVER, I also took him to a saddle fitting this week (we are in the process of switching him from being a hunter to being a dressage horse, so I was looking at dressage saddles). Let me tell you, the saddle fitting was very eye opening. Long story short, he has big sloping shoulders (which I knew), and a VERY small saddle support area (which I did not know). His last rib is deceivingly far forward in comparison to his overall length. Anyway, I rode him in a saddle that was specially paneled to address these issues, and he was like a COMPLETELY different horse. I feel terrible now that I understand the issues. He was light off my leg, movement was fantastic, no grumpiness whatsoever, not girthy (which he usually is). Basically, he just couldn’t do what I wanted him to do in any of my other saddles, I think. Now to figure out how to afford the saddle that improved him so much![/QUOTE]

Why didn’t the vet clinic you’ve used for 6 years notice the rib issue? You might want to change vets now. And I agree with M that you might want to check out his hips. Sounds like your horse has something that just buying a new saddle won’t cure.

[FineAlready]

[QUOTE=shezabrazenmare;7553111]
Why didn’t the vet clinic you’ve used for 6 years notice the rib issue? You might want to change vets now. And I agree with M that you might want to check out his hips. Sounds like your horse has something that just buying a new saddle won’t cure.[/QUOTE]

Hello, you ridiculous piece of work. It’s not a “rib issue.” It is simply a nuance of his conformation. If you had size 8 feet and were not walking your best wearing size 5 shoes, you would not have a “foot issue,” you would have a “shoe issue.”

My vet is not in the business of evaluating saddle fit, nor are most vets.

Additionally, there is nothing wrong with his hips. If you bothered to actually read my thread instead of just trying to create sh*t to stir, you’d notice that his issues have BEEN RESOLVED. He’s going very well right now, perhaps the best he has ever gone in his life.

I would put this horse’s care up against the care of basically any horse, anywhere, any time.

You and I both know that you came here only because you are a spiteful, weak individual who is angry that I called you out on being nasty, uninformed, and unnessessarily rude to another poster on another thread.

I’m not interested in your input here, or anywhere, because it is not valuable. Go troll somewhere else, you insufferable weirdo.

To all others who responded, including those who responded only after this old thread about a resolved problem was revived by someone with ill intentions - thank you, and I appreciate your taking the time to respond.

[shezabrazenmare]

[QUOTE=FineAlready;7553429]
Hello, you ridiculous piece of work. It’s not a “rib issue.” It is simply a nuance of his conformation. If you had size 8 feet and were not walking your best wearing size 5 shoes, you would not have a “foot issue,” you would have a “shoe issue.”

My vet is not in the business of evaluating saddle fit, nor are most vets.

Additionally, there is nothing wrong with his hips. If you bothered to actually read my thread instead of just trying to create sh*t to stir, you’d notice that his issues have BEEN RESOLVED. He’s going very well right now, perhaps the best he has ever gone in his life.

I would put this horse’s care up against the care of basically any horse, anywhere, any time.

You and I both know that you came here only because you are a spiteful, weak individual who is angry that I called you out on being nasty, uninformed, and unnessessarily rude to another poster on another thread.

I’m not interested in your input here, or anywhere, because it is not valuable. Go troll somewhere else, you insufferable weirdo.

To all others who responded, including those who responded only after this old thread about a resolved problem was revived by someone with ill intentions - thank you, and I appreciate your taking the time to respond.[/QUOTE]

OMG I was just trying to find out why you were supporting someone on Coth who is obviously trying to sell her horse on Coth, a horse with kissing spines. And if thought maybe you’d had the same issues with your horse.

[shezabrazenmare]

[QUOTE=FineAlready;7524548]
So, another update. I’m sorry to keep bringing this thread to the top randomly, but I hate it when someone starts a thread like this and then doesn’t follow it through to conclusion.

The hock/stifle injections absolutely helped him and he is definitely more comfortable. But he was still pulling his head to the left in upward transitions, still pissy about moving forward, and still wanting to raise his head in transitions. So, something was obviously still bothering him.

HOWEVER, I also took him to a saddle fitting this week (we are in the process of switching him from being a hunter to being a dressage horse, so I was looking at dressage saddles). Let me tell you, the saddle fitting was very eye opening. Long story short, he has big sloping shoulders (which I knew), and a VERY small saddle support area (which I did not know). His last rib is deceivingly far forward in comparison to his overall length. Anyway, I rode him in a saddle that was specially paneled to address these issues, and he was like a COMPLETELY different horse. I feel terrible now that I understand the issues. He was light off my leg, movement was fantastic, no grumpiness whatsoever, not girthy (which he usually is). Basically, he just couldn’t do what I wanted him to do in any of my other saddles, I think. Now to figure out how to afford the saddle that improved him so much![/QUOTE]

And as you said here, you’ve been bringing this thread up “randomly.” I have no idea why you got upset when I asked about your horse’s back issues, for years, and why you supported the other person trying to sell her horse on Coth.

[FineAlready]

[QUOTE=shezabrazenmare;7563682]
OMG I was just trying to find out why you were supporting someone on Coth who is obviously trying to sell her horse on Coth, a horse with kissing spines. And if thought maybe you’d had the same issues with your horse.[/QUOTE]

Um, I supported someone on COTH who asked about whether or not selling a horse with a saddle that is custom fitted to the horse is something that people do. She’s not “obviously trying to sell her horse on COTH.” And why would you think my horse has kissing spines? Just because I supported another poster in stating the TRUTH that there are more ways to manage kissing spines that just surgery? That’s insanity.

For what its worth, no, my horse does not have kissing spines. I’m not sure why you think that is your business.

[FineAlready]

[QUOTE=shezabrazenmare;7563686]
And as you said here, you’ve been bringing this thread up “randomly.” I have no idea why you got upset when I asked about your horse’s back issues, for years, and why you supported the other person trying to sell her horse on Coth.[/QUOTE]

Again, my horse does not have “back issues.” He has atypical saddle fit needs. There is a big difference. Additionally, I have no idea what you mean by “for years.” He was exhibiting a right lead canter transition problem a few months ago. It was resolved very quickly with veterinary intervention and a modification to saddle fit. End of story. I updated my thread so that people in the future who might search for issues with a canter transition could see what the resolution ended up being for my horse.

Don’t pretend that you didn’t go search under my name so that you could come to this thread and tell me that I need to change vets, my horse probably has a million other medical problems that need to be addressed, etc., etc., etc. You and I both know that isn’t true, don’t we? By the time you posted on this thread it wasn’t even on the front page any more, and I had made my last “here’s what it ended up being” post.

If you continue, I will be alerting the mods, as there is no reason for this to continue to rise to the top when other people’s more recent, UNRESOLVED issues deserve top billing.