Business As Usual

Even with his numbers, 7 breakdowns for 800 starters is about 2.5 times the national average and completely unacceptable ESPECIALLY when you factor in all the ones killed after being vanned off.

Also, from my list since October and not counting January, 10 of those horses either broke down or returned lame and they have not returned to racing. 3 of the horses I listed did return to racing, but we all know where those other 10 are right now. Saying Gill has only broken down 7 horses in 2009 at Penn National is like saying the death toll at Hiroshima on August 8 1945 was a couple hundred.

Another dumb question: Whatā€™s the word among the gambling crowds about Gill?

I see itā€™s a bit different than the olden days where you had to be at the track to place your bets, but they are usually pretty well informed. I canā€™t imagine they like races that can be turned upside down from paper form because some A$$hat sends in doctored up horses!

Hooray! Ray Paulick has written about Mike Gill today:

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/gill-center-of-controversy-again/

True that supposedly his farm is down to about 80 horses from 140. Very curious where all the horses have gone??? Someone really needs to come clean and report on this. Over the last year alone, aside from this decrease of about 60 horses, a great number of horses have simply disappeared. In a time where it is very difficult to give horses away and find homes for them, it is near impossible that this outfit found good homes for probably about 100 horses over this time period.
Delaw

As reported before those horses get a 1 way trip w/ no stop in between. He is paid a flat rate $100. and how ever many fit on the rig go. He owns them he can sell them to whom ever he chooses, once on the truck they can be transported where ever the ā€œnewā€ owner chooses. We canā€™t stop that cycle he is legal on this.

Elk Creek Ranch Main Barn holds about 120 horses. There is a track w/ chute and gait as well. Very limited to no paddock T/O for in training horses and an Equisizer maybe 2?? There maybe some smaller barns on premises w/ younger unbroke stock. But he does not keep retire or re-home if possible. In past years he did sent over flow lay-ups to some out lying farms. When he went bust those horses just got stranded there.

They are not known for inviting outsiders to stroll thru and seriously it is not for the bleeding hearts. Most of what he is willing to part w/ unfortunately just arenā€™t going to be re-hab material. This is someone who DOES squeeze every single ounce out a horse before he is done w/ it. And by done I mean they no longer can or will perform even when blocked or injected to the Gillā€™s (no pun). Why do you think they snap legs or fall down on the track. Stopping one race away is just to far gone.
I bet if he came full stop today and every horses in his ownership was evaluated one on one a very low single digit precentage would be worthy of sports horse career. Once off all their meds you will be looking at horses in chronic pain w/ joints past the point of no return.

Thanks for posting that Little Hound. Gillā€™s arrogance and defiant FU attitude to the racing world in general is appalling. Maybe heā€™s running out of time and ā€œfriendsā€.

Money can always buy you new friends unfortunately.

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This may have already been said since I didnā€™t pore through all 8 pages, but who the hell is the vet that Gill uses? To get all of his drugs from and inject his horses (but not do pre-race checks of courseā€¦)?[/QUOTE]

Gill can and does buy his own product. It is possbile to legally obtain the material he requires since they are not restricted classified products.

Gill has been thru a Yellow Page of vetsā€¦he fires at will or bans a vet from a practice until he has been thru them all.
He PAYS WELL and most lager practices will look the other way since injecting all those joints is very lucritive for them.

I belive he is down to smaller practices 1-2 vet firms since he cut loose his last big outfit from FLA.

This is a man who calls ALL the shots, is very hands on even if from a distance and is very parinoid. Seriously Video survallence thru out his barn that he can off site access. Big Bro is watchingā€¦

I wonder if those videos could be hackedā€¦

just sayingā€¦

I follow the racing forum because I love the sport and my OTTBs. Just wanted to say that you guys rock.

Your committment to the horses and to the sport is unwavering. Your passion for them is leading to action (Foundationmare, your letters to track management are a stellar example). And kudos to the jocks for taking a stand.

As someone who had to take waaaay too many statistics courses, I find the breakdown numbers cited by track management worthless, and Iā€™m appalled that they only included what happens between the start and the finish line. Dick Hertz, youā€™re doing a much better job than they are. But do you have similar numbers for other stables that can be used as controls? Please note: I am in full support of your conclusions. Iā€™m just suggesting making your case even stronger.

OK, back to eventing land. But Iā€™m cheering you all on as are my 4 OTTBs.

We were there Saturday night - sitting in the dining room overlooking the finish line. The reaction from the crowd was beyond typical. Everywhere we went that night, people were talking about Michael Gill. I looked for track management myself, to demand answers as to when they would finally take a stand, and they were nowhere to be found. My hope is that there is now finally enough momentum building to get this guy out of racing altogether. I could not have been more impressed and proud of the jockeyā€™s that took a stand Saturday night as well as the trainer that went into the jockey room and urged them to do so. That trainer did so at his own risk. There are alot of good trainers at PENN - but they cannot take a stand by themselves - not every trainer who ships in or needs money will stand fast with them. Until PENN management does the right thing, unfortunately the burden to take a stand will fall on the jockeys.

It was also my understanding that autopsies were no longer being done due to a shortage of funds in the racing commission. Now they say they are being done?

PENN needs to stop making excuses. Gillā€™s break down rate is too high. His horses improve in condition too fast - he does not have miracle trainers or state of the art conditioning equipment. Heā€™s taking older, class horses that know how to win, making sure they feel no pain, and sending them out to win or die trying. When a horse typically ā€œbreaks downā€ during a race, the jockey will often feel it seconds before it happens. The horse itself will want to slow down or stop. Gillā€™s horses never feel it coming, and as a result, neither does the jockey. They literally run their hearts out right up until a leg breaks ā€“ this is far from normal behavior. Every horseman, track employee, and veternarian that KNOWS better should be doing their part to get this man out of racing.

Iā€™d also like to know how Gil still has his ownerā€™s license? How does he pass the background check?

I want to thank the jockeys again. Watching that horse break down was horrible. Worse yet was the fact that knowing Gillā€™s reputation, as I sat down to watch that race, I had a feeling that I knew what the horseā€™s fate might be. I hated being right and helpless all at the same time. That was a class horse with a very successful record. He had done his job and deserved to be retired, not in the hands of someone like Gill. As his front leg broke beneath him, he tumbled down hard. He laid there looking dead already for at least 10 minutes. But that horse had the heart that had made him a winner many times over. He was then determined to get up using only 3 legs and get into the trailer under his own power. It was a very moving scene for everyone to watch. While most in the crowd hoped for a happy ending, the horseman in the audience knew that the way that leg was hanging, his time with us had come to a very sad end.

Michael Gill and his trainers should be banned.

OMG, Soccermom, I wanted to cry after reading your last post! I sincerely hope some action is taken against this man!

Soccermom, what youā€™ve described is exactly on the money. Breakdowns like that, multiplied many times over, will eventually kill the soul of racing. Yes, perfectly sound horses take a bad step and go down. But the people who take the hard knockers and turn them into pincushions to get just one more out of them have a special place in hell IMO. Itā€™s heartbreaking to read that that brave and noble animal struggled to his feet so the deed could be done out of the public eye. It certainly would have been kinder to spare him that final insult.

soccermom, I hope that you send that post to the PENN Management. Foundationmare, Well Done!
I myself am composing something to send, and will post it here when I get it organized in my brain.

I am THRILLED to see that SOMETHING is finally being DONE about this horrible man.

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Another dumb question: Whatā€™s the word among the gambling crowds about Gill?

I see itā€™s a bit different than the olden days where you had to be at the track to place your bets, but they are usually pretty well informed. I canā€™t imagine they like races that can be turned upside down from paper form because some A$$hat sends in doctored up horses![/QUOTE]

Interesting question. Iā€™ve read on numerous boards more directed toward the bettors that many refuse to play on or against Gill when his horses are entered. He only hurts handle.

[QUOTE=frugalannie;4639951]
I follow the racing forum because I love the sport and my OTTBs. Just wanted to say that you guys rock.

Your committment to the horses and to the sport is unwavering. Your passion for them is leading to action (Foundationmare, your letters to track management are a stellar example). And kudos to the jocks for taking a stand.

As someone who had to take waaaay too many statistics courses, I find the breakdown numbers cited by track management worthless, and Iā€™m appalled that they only included what happens between the start and the finish line. Dick Hertz, youā€™re doing a much better job than they are. But do you have similar numbers for other stables that can be used as controls? Please note: I am in full support of your conclusions. Iā€™m just suggesting making your case even stronger.

OK, back to eventing land. But Iā€™m cheering you all on as are my 4 OTTBs.[/QUOTE]

Stephanie Beattie runs a comparable number and her breakdwon rate is MUCH LOWER than the Gill cronies. I can recall maybe 3-4 of Beattieā€™s horses breaking down all of last year tops which would fall into the national average. Iā€™m including the horses she runs at CT and PENN. One person who I beleive had a lot of breakdowns for the number of starts they had was Anthony Peccarraro. He had more than one breakdown with way less than 50 starters I believe.

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soccermom, I hope that you send that post to the PENN Management. Foundationmare, Well Done!
I myself am composing something to send, and will post it here when I get it organized in my brain.

I am THRILLED to see that SOMETHING is finally being DONE about this horrible man.[/QUOTE]

Dittoā€¦send that post to management.

Iā€™m certainly not stating anything new, but the continued unbridled participation by Michael Gill and his complacent trainers and vets in organized, regulated racing makes it hard to say this isnā€™t frankly a blood spot.

If statistics hold up (which they have) then anyone on site will likely witness the death of a Gill horse at an astonishing rate compared to the industry as a whole. Where is the fun in that? That may be entertainment in some third-world nation but it just doesnā€™t work for me.

Breakdowns, fatal or otherwise, do occur at even the most closely monitored race courses with some of the best stock around and unfortunately that is a risk. However there is a clear line, sadly, between racing at one venue over another and it goes far beyond simply the purse value. Nobody goes to the track, except sick individuals, in hopes of seeing a horse (or rider) getting injured.

Since much of day-to-day racing as a business is done via simulcast the presence of on-track viewers (and the chance of offending them) a minor element. As such a track can, by retraining cameras or muting the remarks of a race caller, paper over a horrible breakdowns. Still it doesnā€™t go unnoticed and frankly the industry as a whole is pulled down by these rogues. No matter how good some people are, well intended, etc those people are tarnished by the acts of these scum bags. Itā€™s time the industry says enough.

back from the olden days I remember them doing their homework and knowing stuff many folks would overlook.

And those are the guys the tracks cater to.

Paulickā€™s story has already generated 53 comments, and itā€™s only 1:20 p.m.

If Penn National does ban Gill, do I have to change the topic of this thread since it will no longer be ā€œBusiness As Ususalā€? Just sayinā€¦