I have been urged to make inquiries about buying a horse out of Gills string.
Owners lost on a good $$ claim to him.
But now that they have gelded him did his throat and subjected him to taps n injections for every start my vet threw the big red caution are you nuts flag over my head.
Plus w/ Tieglands vet crew gone and the new vet gal on board Gill is soley driving that bus and dreaming up G** only knows what home brews to inject.
Lets tap his knees and ankles inject his feet change his shoes 2-3 times a week on a whim, drill his sinuses, pump him w/ steroids, feed him till he burst, the shove him in a starting gate, stick a chimpanze on his back and hot shot him down the lane:yes: and thats a mild assesment and not impuning his dignety.
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I hear stories all the time from coast to coast, about trainer and or owners deliberately hurting the horse they sold or was claimed off them etc⊠One guy took a 2by4 to a horses knees, another guy took a board filled it full of nails and put it in a stall of a horse he sold, the next day when the trainer picked up the horse she couldnt walk. [/QUOTE]
That is absolutely ridiculous. Anyone who has ever been to the races knows that claimed horses change hands either in front of the grandstand after the race, or they are walked back into the paddock area to change hands. They arenât taken back to the original trainerâs barn where they cripple the horse before the new trainer picks him up. Seriously, try to be rational. No one would drop a claim if they knew the horse would be crippled, yet horses are being claimed every day.
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That is absolutely ridiculous. Anyone who has ever been to the races knows that claimed horses change hands either in front of the grandstand after the race, or they are walked back into the paddock area to change hands. They arenât taken back to the original trainerâs barn where they cripple the horse before the new trainer picks him up. Seriously, try to be rational. No one would drop a claim if they knew the horse would be crippled, yet horses are being claimed every day.[/QUOTE]
Donât cloud this thread with logic! We must remain hyterical to all the horrors that surround us. Either that or you must not be paying attention either because racing is EVIL!
What I find most offensive about Judysbigredponyâs âstoryâ about a Gill horse is not what she has heard the guy does, or says what the guy and his vets do, but by calling riders âchimpanzees.â Am I being too sensitive here, or was that comment just an unfunny joke.
These guys take their lives into their hands everydayâsay what you will about Mike Gill, but leave the jock colony out of itâŠ
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What I find most offensive about Judysbigredponyâs âstoryâ about a Gill horse is not what she has heard the guy does, or says what the guy and his vets do, but by calling riders âchimpanzees.â Am I being too sensitive here, or was that comment just an unfunny joke.
These guys take their lives into their hands everydayâsay what you will about Mike Gill, but leave the jock colony out of itâŠ[/QUOTE]
No Barbara, you are not being too sensitive.
Judy - if you have a beef with Gill, then you have a beef with Gill. The jockey colony is a whole separate entity.
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In the thoroughbred world this is all common place. the judges, the racing office all officials and trainers and many owners think this is just the way it is. I hear stories all the time from coast to coast, about trainer and or owners deliberately hurting the horse they sold or was claimed off them etc⊠One guy took a 2by4 to a horses knees, another guy took a board filled it full of nails and put it in a stall of a horse he sold, the next day when the trainer picked up the horse she couldnt walk. wouldnt give money back either.
I watched a a âtrainerâ beat an owners 2 yr old filly trying to load her for over an hour. I finally just walked up and loaded her in 5 minutes with feed. as the owner him self stood there whip at the ready to beat her another hour.
I see them constantly mistreated, constantly, do bad deal after bad deal, selling horses that are lame and doped up, or cant ride and dangerous from so much mishandling and poor horsemanship. I know a guy who reported a guy for givning his horse a shot because the guy took his wife off the horse to ride, and the guards laughed about it as they told the guy, and the judges did nothing. the same guy sold a horse cheap that raced good, and after the horse raced good first start he went in his stall and filled her full of hormones.
Another trainer dumped some sort of acid in another trainerâs horses mouths. you here scarry stories from coast to coast, safest way to race a horse is standardbreds. much more honest people way more integrity.[/QUOTE]
âHearing Storiesâ is one thing - and it is NOT TO BE CONFUSED with having actual factual evidence or first hand knowledge.
[QUOTE=Jessi P;4525604]
No Barbara, you are not being too sensitive.
Judy - if you have a beef with Gill, then you have a beef with Gill. The jockey colony is a whole separate entity.[/QUOTE]
Yes and one of my BEST friends husband is a jockey.
IF you had read the text w/ your mind open you would see I meant it as a satyr and as we all know Chimpanzees are not the cuddly funny animals all the time. Also Monkey on the back can be a term meaning drug user not âGillâ but the poor horses he abuses. Some times the people reading this board do so with blinders on and look for any slight not even intended.
I was portraying Gill and what he does to his horses. Maybe he should have a taste of his own medicine. And throwing a monkey on his back would not be the ride a human jockey gives. Jeez some of you need a real life.
Having had real time more than once on his place, seeing all the horses 1st hand not tell tale or 3rd party I have no respect for him and even less for alot who chooseto accept his pay. But to even for a nano second think I would insult Jockeys who are some of the fittest and finest athletes is ludicrous Get a gripe ladies.
Your grandiose words speak for themselves.
Of course grandiosity also means âAbsurd exaggeration.â ;):winkgrin::yes:
Stick To The Topic
So now I am absurd.
Iâve dated Jockeys, been a Jockey agent w/ a license.
One of my BEST friends is married to a jockey.
Lets keep to blasting Gill and not each other before this thread gets de-railed like so many others away from the topic and more into scewering each other.
Since we are talking Jocks, why are they taking rides on charges from a barn that have a high breakdown rate? I mean, when it blows it blows and being on a ton of careening animal in a herd, you are risking live and limb, livelyhood at best.
Does he pay better than others? Bonuses etcâŠ
The jocks fee is determined by the race track. I think Penn is now $100 for a losing mount. Gillâs trainers run several horses every day so if you are the go to rider you will probably end up riding several each day. Being a jock is a tough bussiness and most, unless they are the few who make it to the top canât afford to turn down mounts. You donât make any money sitting in the room.
That is understood, but you donât make any money laying in the hospital or a coffin either.
Thatâs why I am asking, obviously the breakdowns are lame horses not catastrophic spills?
Donât know why they ride. Itâs interesting that on Tuesday and Wednesday the #1 man Willie Otero is not named on any Gill horses. In the past, Otero usually rides the better ones with Garcia, Lloyd, et al riding the others.
Un-f#*&*ing believable. 11/12 MG/AA has horses in the 1st and 3rd at Penn. Groom takes horse over for the 1st, returns to receiving barn with horse after he runs and sticks hot, blowing horse in stall and then proceeds to the paddock with the horse running in the 3rd. A few concerned did look after the horse while Gill people were gone.
Stewards on that one?
I think itâs worth pointing out that the rash of breakdowns have stopped in the past few weeks. I would love to believe that someone at that operation decided to get a conscience, but there was some heat put on them by the powers that be which likely contributed to the madness stopping.
Now Deshawn Parker is riding first call for Gill at Penn. Ahh, the allure of making $10k a week, I guess, far exceeds the downside to possibly laying in a casket or sitting in a wheelchair. Otero getting fired from Gill was probably a blessing for him.
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I think itâs worth pointing out that the rash of breakdowns have stopped in the past few weeks. Does anyone know why Cole Norman is no longer with Gill at Elk Creek? QUOTE]
Coincidence?
Will put out a sniffer or 2;)
But Gill re-hired a long time Fired farrier to come back and do all of his work, farm and trackâŠso he is once again going thru the recycle binâŠ
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http://www.drf.com/drfNCWeeklyHorseDisplay.do?track=PEN&country=USA&raceDate=20091218&raceNo=5[/QUOTE]
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