Moe, Larry, Curly, I’m quite sure that the lovable Donny Brown will be attending the meeting but before pumping himself up to throw his weight around and spewing his BS he should make it a point to first make a trip to Philly Park to pay all the vets that he has stuck. I’ve been told that the famous restaurant legend is “all play and no pay”. and i truly hope that this meeting on monday night is a very productive meeting and not just another shameless effort to protect “the queen”
The idea of Super testing every horse is expensive.
Mor to the point a lottery to radom pick 1 horse very race to be super tested, Milk Shake tested is enough to shake alot of trees. and it is a draw in public done in saddling paddock in a public forum easy balls bottle draw.
BUT has there yet been a test developed to determine Blood doping?? Epigene and its many generation newer forms.
Shock waving off site??
As fast as we find a test, the pharmacuticals are out developing us. Remember its not Equine Medicine we are competing against but Human grade drugs some of it still in developmental/experimetal stages.
Those with the closest ties to drug companies get the nod…
Hyperbaric chambers, foot freezing, standing in ice for hours before racing,Snake venom, all the legal drugs enhanced and threshold pushed by use of masking drugs, its a never ending litany…
GhostofBB, or should I say “Big Bopper” once again your sources are lacking in their knowledge of other people business, which is exactly that, other people business. You should only speek of the facts not what you think you know which in this case is nothting. Just another stab in the dark to create more drama.
This post sounds like Sunwhack, or whatever his name was, has found his way back…
Sorry I am not Sunwack I have been here the whole time. I think this forum is supposed to be about facts not heresay.
This thread IS about facts. The only one posting heresay with no proof on anything was Sunwhack. The rest posted facts about their own personal experiences
I am not the “big bopper”, i can assure you of that! but my facts come from a most reliable source. and you speak of drama, you haven’t seen drama! But stay tuned, you will receive a plate full real soon.
My sources tell me Donnie Brown will be there… and he is aware of this list of unaccounted for horses. Theres nothing after that… thats all I know. What could be said other than lies?.. the forgetfulness, the lack of memory, ?? sure, uh huh…
Would it be C. McErlean to act on policy? since the HBPA is turning the blind eye?
The hypocrisy of it all — that once caught red-handed breaking policy …now the Pres of the NBPA wants to act like some humanitarian, some hero… someone with a solution …when in fact, is the creator of so many problems.
and … brings into the fold of MIS-deeds all her connections…surely some innocent, many not.
The previous long term operating practises of / from race to pit in one short trip… …is far beyond “just doing business” …even bad business. What it does though, is expose the underlying core of these folks inner selves and what they are ultimately capable of…and probably much worse. No regard for the horses, no regard for rules, no regard period --thats obvious. One would just have to question motives here on out.
No speculation needed... the term *master manipulators* does certainly apply -- be-aware!
As Dick Hertz would say ... corruption is a dirty word.[QUOTE=judybigredpony;4966940]
The idea of Super testing every horse is expensive.
Mor to the point a lottery to radom pick 1 horse very race to be super tested, Milk Shake tested is enough to shake alot of trees. and it is a draw in public done in saddling paddock in a public forum easy balls bottle draw.
BUT has there yet been a test developed to determine Blood doping?? Epigene and its many generation newer forms.
Shock waving off site??
As fast as we find a test, the pharmacuticals are out developing us. Remember its not Equine Medicine we are competing against but Human grade drugs some of it still in developmental/experimetal stages.
Those with the closest ties to drug companies get the nod…
Hyperbaric chambers, foot freezing, standing in ice for hours before racing,Snake venom, all the legal drugs enhanced and threshold pushed by use of masking drugs, its a never ending litany…[/QUOTE]
Sorry if it sounded like I meant testing every horse each race; I did not mean that.
And yes, I know all the argruments about drugs that don’t have tests and the expense of testing, but that’s no excuse for the lack of aggressive testing at any track with slots money. Yes, there will be flaws and holes in testing but you have to start someplace if you’re going to move forward and change the system.
In fact, PA’s lousy testing protocol has hurt PA racing; in 2009 PA lost three graded stakes races because of poor testing protocol.
Testing isn’t a high priority because many trainers and racing officials really believe you can’t train without drugs and everybody else buys all the arguments about the impossibility of testing for them.
I’ve watched racing in PA long enough to be able to tell you that the second one SB is kicked off the throne, another will assume that throne in a heartbeat and this is because the system is set up to support that kind of trainer.
If you really want to make it better for the horses, bettors and good trainers, go after the status quo. That was the whole point of this thread when DickHertz started it.
Yes! Exactly — well said SEPowell.
All along the distraction has been to divert into the small incidents and little solutions one by one
... and even the Gill was considered [I]small[/I] because what happened to him had nothing to do with what happened.
That was so politically motivated, Im not sure any of us can grasp the idea of how deep the corruption goes.
go after the status quo.
…Stepping outside the box… any ideas on how ? Where to start?
Has anybody heard that there is an HBPA meeting on Monday? I have a wonderful idea. Instead of serving refreshments our board should dish up a few doses of ginseng. That way the esteemed president can refresh her memory as to what has become of her retired horses. I’m sure Brown will be there to defend her to the very end. He plans to avoid the eject button and go down with the crash. And make no mistake, this meeting may be the highlight of their summer when its finished. Professional liars will be tested to the extreme in the next few months and the unlucky victims of those looking to save themselves will pay a great price. Maybe the Pres should invite Paul Jenkins to join the defense team at the meeting. He has been known to broker a successful deal or two in his day. And if things get a little hot and heavy, he can drive the getaway car. Thanks for the sponsorship team Greece
I am the most phony person at the racetrack. I will say one thing to one person then the next person I see I will say the exact opposite thing to them. I lie more than any person who has ever held a owner’s license. I know that DW is the brains behind the operation so I can’t cut his legs off and leave SB scramblilng to train my horses. I retire my horses correctly only when the heat is on. All the other horses I typically retire have disappeared into thin air but I’m sure they were lost by the 4H lady or they just happened to die from food poisioning or something. I always talk to SB about how to keep the leash around DW neck and I have perfected this to an exact science. Why else would DW stick around so long (lol). I don’t know what to do because I do know that DW is really training these horses and i want to keep winning. I guess if there is a final split I can rest on my HBPA laurels of getting jocks evicted from the HBPA office. Well I did use my political clout to keep the legislators away from our money this year, but what will they do when my buddy JK starts crapping his pants in about five days? Have I been clean? I don’t know. I hope so. I’m just tired of being the two faced man in black and trying to remember my weave of lies so I don’t get caught. It’s ok I have TM in my corner and as long as I have TM I can fight city hall. If that fails then I can just hold another function at my place on 2nd street. Maybe I’ll even invite the DA and his brother to butter them up. sorry for the rant board but I had to get some thoughts off my chest.
DW is going to be hung out to dry!! Mark my word DW, YOU will be thrown under the bus eventually! but you will have your chance to make amends, so do the right thing when your big opportunity presents itself! don’t let a little phony dressed in black have his way with you, you are twice the person he will ever be.
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Manners Please
While we all are waiting on the edges of our seats for Mondays meeting.
PLEASE if you aren’t an owner or trainer do not attempt to picket or crash the meeting.:no:
There is only so much that can be done and if the mood gets ugly they will not address the issues.
In fact there maybe alot of under the rug sweeping.
One hopes that a conscience can be found and a set strapped on, that allows a voice to speak-up. Especially if there is a rift in one camp and they turn on each other.:eek:
Hear, hear! Well said, Judy.
The bottom line is this. These people were elected to represent us. At no point in time should any board member attempt to minimize any concern or point of interest. I think that some of you are attempting to give some of them more power than they have. Listening to the thoughts and concerns of members is something that they simply must do. Donny Brown and the special clique will try to cry about the relevance and they will say its a Penn National issue, and will claim that we have to move forward from Stephanie’s mistakes. Well, we will not take it!!! Answer for your past retirement practices before getting the right to manage ours. And for God’s sake, it’s time to make sure that discipline gets handled in the same manner for everyone no matter what your status or last name is
The theme of the day is give those trying to cover-up the shameful act, no choice. Speak respectfully but with purpose. Let them know that we will not accept business as usual from the likes of Donald Brown and Steph Beattie. We certainly will not tolerate a dump and forget attitude when it comes to our horses
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/57850/missing-horses-where-lies-responsibility
Dick Hertz speaks out! Go Dick!
Last Straw you make excellant points, but does anyone here have any ideas they wish to put forth on the plan for a retirement.
Since I buy and sell OTTB (an no its not a hobby) I have some ideas.
I am lucky my race stock when they reach track will come directly back to me to get sold as OTTB unless claimed beyond my $$ capacity to re-claim.
So heres my 2cents.
Every horse whose owner wishes to surrender must pay a modest fee along with a release to allow all vet records be available.Every vet who does work at Penn will get an updated list of potential new inductees, nerved horses,etc need full disclosure, especially if horse has changed hands a few times The fee is to be used for a complete vet exam and evaluation for soundness and mental physical ability. Before horse is found able to proceed as a sound for use Sports Horse. If the horses is deemed unfit mentally or physically it is privately euthanized with the stipend $$.
(You have to be realistic about what will sell, horses with serious vices, major traumas, big knees, frozen joints, tapped out, huge old repeat bows). Right then and there since owner will have surrended horse and papers returned to JC.
Only mares who have the pedigree and earned a dollar figure will have pedigree assesed for breeding by real bloodstock agent and given a grading for Broodmare status. Those mare can go with papers for breeding/riding purposes only not to race.
Colts will be gelded before leaving program to new homes.
Now after seeing 1st hand Turning for homes program and New Vocations and second Chance.
This is my idea. we are fortunate to have several states so close to us. And alot of people who do this OTTB rehab well.
I would allow private farms 4-8 from PA, NJ,DE,MD to apply.And choose 1-2 sites in each state to encourage people access to buy the horses. Farms need to be inspected, soley owned not rental property, show financial stability, insurance, proper faciliteis and proof they can do the rehab job as well as advertise and sell horse. Max 4 Penn horses at a time
Horses would sell from $1000 to $2500.
Penn retirement would pay basic keep for horse with no profit to farm. But in turn farm gets to keep 1/3 money from sale of horse.
Penn supplies farrier and vet services.
Someone needs to do bi monthly farm visits and check on every horse. The program should not get so big it can’t keep tabs on the horses.
Horseman need to know if their livestock is going to implode and crash this will reflect badly on them and jeopradise the program.
The program is not a dumping ground for their track trash. An affordable euthenasia program needs to established.
A drop and remove program no hauling live stock off site.
All you need to do is advertise and I beat you get takers. Set a cap for the fee and monitor the numbers.
Horses have to be deemed unfit for usefullness.
Horse shows like Ludwigs Corner or BlueRock should be offered $$ to sponser Penn OTTB classes or put $$ towards them hosting the TB Development divisions. Good prize money lots of press photos for Penn Retirement Alumni.
Also the 3-day world loves OTTB. How about a cash prize for a Penn Nat. horse OTTB Retirerment Program Alumni Award at a selected event every year, Beginner Novice and Training Level.
Ditto for Dressage, the more good press the better.
Get The Horse Of Delaware Valley involved for press releases and maybe free advertising for PNRP OTTB sales.
Dr Brophy needs to step on board and offer up meds and routine shots coggins for program horses.Vets and Farriers who Pro-Bono work get lots of Kudo’s jackets hats, vehicle decals, preferental parking.
The goal needs to be re-home those horses fit for new riding careers whether it be just trail horse or competition horse.
Unsound chronic horses need not clog up the works.
If their owners wish to reward those horses with a permant retirement place then a farm would need to be purchased and staffed, horses owners would have to gaurentee funds monthly for duration of horses life. fund Raising efforts and a chairperson to oversee what would be a life long commitment.This needs to be a seperate program and it should have its books publicly auduted yearly as well as 4X year Vet inspection of horses.Staff needs to be vetted as well.
Show cases like those at Fingerlakes or even auctions at Penn of under saddle rehabbed horses in the program. All ways to get press and bring in the buyers.
Host potential buyers with free food n drink at Casino or do a day for those who have bought thru the program. They will gamble some $$$.
Put up in the big screen between races clips of those horse available for sale thru thre program and phots of graduates competing or doing well in their career paths.
Actually make this a BIG DEAL go whole hog or stay home. Do a full Donald Trump.
Make Penn’s program a Real Model of how it can actually be done.
No one wants another program where you can adopt a horse for $300. and not kow what your are getting. No one wants to pay good money for a horse they can’t sit on or evalutate its potential.
Most of all allow the Customer the right to return the horse and after 1 year re-sell the horse. With notification of new buyer and copy of legitimate bill of sale. Follow up to new buyer.
A good computer savy person can set up a good tracking system for at least 5 years.
Some sort of clause that allows horse to come back to program to be euthanised at a fair price when the time comes.
Make it Penns promise to do the horse right.
Make sure every auction house has an updated list of names and tattoe numbers on every retired horse in the program, if one shows up Penn gets them back at killer price.
OK my back hurts whose next.
