Can we have an adult re-rider support group?

It does say Paradox Farm now, PF, so at least the newbies will know who we are replying to.

Yes hubby has come a long way but in retrospect he has only ever ridden horses that are trained, either by me or at the riding school, as such he was not able to canter on Toby when he was here. He could not go with the flow

I think next for him is we buy a horse for him to retrain when we lose either Dodge or Sim. This time around I will not ride the horse. I will give him lessons from the ground. He needs to learn from other horses now.

Just got home from the show at the barn. Milton was an angel. We got 68.46% on Training Test 1 and 67.24% on Training Test 2, which earned us 5th place in both. I was so proud of my boy. It was literally the best he’s ever ridden the tests, such a good boy. We have plenty of work to do to improve on those scores. I would love to break 70% at some point. Milton isn’t the fanciest mover, and he has trouble being through and truly connected, especially in his transitions but just in general as well. Still, I was super proud.

Naturally, we forgot to video. It’s all good though, I’m just glad I had a lovely day riding my good boy. :slight_smile:

@SadieRidingHorses and @anon18382370 Welcome and i’m super excited to hear about your journey back!

@ParadoxFarm your regular name is BACK!!! How are things on your end?

@luckymaverick There will always be more shows, you are right, it makes you more ready!!


I’m still loving my lessons, and enjoying my pony. He is one of those horses where I actually needed more time to get use to and trust. By me relaxing, he relaxes and goes way better. He is now even starting to take care of me and bail me out of trouble.
My trainer goes from warm up on the flat to jumping courses and its so hard for me mentally (these are super low jumps), but my brain is getting way better in memorizing courses!

I also learned so much about him. He is learning to do add steps when necessary to help me out, but i have to tell him clearly. We have this tricky turn (almost like a 90 degree turn so i don’t have a ton of time after landing to get him back), and if he takes it long, i get so discombutulated that i will never make the turn, i tried it with a quieter add, bam, perfect boy!

Also learned what it really means to have my legs on! I am learning so much! :slight_smile:

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Great posts RhythmNCruise and Faye.

Faye we have seen you learn so much since you joined this thread. I said way back then you would go far because you have an open mind.

You are still having joy with learning and you will continue to learn every day for the next 50 or so years!

I did not get to ride on Sunday. Playing a game on my phone saved my life.

I had 4 jobs to do in 3 places on the way home from Mums. I went to the first job and then stopped for lunch and played on my phone.
That made me almost late. I breezed through the second job and made it to the 3rd place for the last 2 jobs exactly on time.

I left for home and I had just thought I would be home in time to ride when I saw the flashing lights. The road to home was closed. A car had crossed onto the wrong side of the road and hit another car. A car flipped and landed in the dam. 2 toddlers were taken to Hospital but they could not be saved.

This must have happened at the time I would have been on that part of the road, if I had not stopped to play on my phone.

I went and had tea and played on my phone again. I went back after a couple of hours but no, the investigation unit had just arrived and were painting the road, so I had to come home an extra hours drive.

I rode Stars in the morning and cancelled the lesson as it said it would be 37° and we get hotter here than what they say.

Now they are saying next Monday will be 40°. Sigh

Stars is getting better and better. He is a completely different horse. I am riding my dream horse daily. The horse I could not get to canter, we are now working on cantering on and then collecting and then on again, walk canter, canter walk is not happening because the rider is totally unfit and unmuscled but getting better, 10 meter canter circles and I have added in a counter canter loop and leg yield.

If you look back at one of my yearly goals it was to have 3 horses who could canter. Now all 3 are capable of walk canter and 10 m circles.

My next goal will he half pass. Stars just does not understand it at all, but sigh no lessons for so long because of no vehicle. Now the perfect vehicle and float and it will ge too hot to travel him to lessons. Hubby has added a fan in the float but 40° they will probably even cancel the lessons on the school horses during the day. Their group lessons are after dark in an indoor arena.

@SuzieQNutter that feeling of riding your dream horse daily!! So glad Stars is being your superstar :slight_smile: When i first read your comment, i’m like, dang 37 is kind of cold for us california, and suddenly realize you’re like the rest of the world, uses celcius :stuck_out_tongue:
Also , thank you. I really really enjoy learning, so so much. I don’t mind strict teachers, but i don’t like them to be rude and tell me i’m not trying because i am, every day! This barn and my new boy is teaching me a ton!

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Faye My sister used to put me in
front of her and jump before I could walk. I have had lessons my whole life from Mum, Pony Club, instructors and worked as a Level I instructor under a Level III dressage instructor going for my level II. Coming back to Queensland I had lessons on a Grand Prix Dressage school horse.

I found this instructor over a decade ago when I was riding Andy. In the first lesson he saw something I was doing that I didn’t think I would have picked up if I was instructing myself.

He is 1 year younger than me. He has a great sense of humour. He is full of knowledge.

10 years later I still learn something every lesson. 4 lessons this time and
Stars has gone from saying no, not wanting to trot or canter and bending excessively in trot on a right circle and it taking me 2 hours to go up and ride, so not wanting to as not enough time, to being happy to trot and canter and work. Does not say no and from starting to get dressed, going up to catch, tack, ride, untack, permoxin and let go takes an hour or less and I want to go up and ride.

The absolute stupid thing is that I know what to do. I teach others what to do, but I don’t start doing it until he tells me to do it.

Like the excessive bending in trot was driving me crazy. I had started dropping my left arm down and out. He says why is he doing that? I said because of the rider. He said yes. You are putting your inside arm down and out. Put your hands together.

Something which beginners are told on day 1. Something I have heard and taught and know but I only start doing it again after he points it out.

A great I help is that next week a good dear friend is giving me big mirrors. They are left over from a job he is doing. I am taking him to lunch. I have shown him and hubby photos of outdoor mirrored arenas. Hubby has retired at the moment and can make ANYTHING.

So with mirrors on the arena I will be able to instruct myself!!! Bounce bounce bounce :smiley:

Ah gee, ridernc, I wouldn’t let a little ol’ cold lump keep me from buying a sane, sound, enjoyable pony. And besides, any horse can get ulcers, so you can’t blame that on him. Buy him, love him.

I haven’t ridden in 2 weeks. Gotta figure out how to get my riding done while the sun is still up. Also, poor Tio has sore front feet…I had his shoes removed and immediately the weather went to hard freeze, followed by rain, followed by hard freeze. very hard on his big, platter feet.

Rider, are you paying for all the vet care?? If so, I would almost wonder why they wouldn’t give you the horse really, really discounted. Or free. You would be saving them the cost of his upkeep/meds. Hope all works out well for you! Glad you’re getting to the bottom of his issues. He’ll be much happier.

Whoever celebrates Thanksgiving, I hope you all have a good, safe, and small Thanksgiving! :grin: :poultry_leg:

@ridernc What is your goal with the pony? It’s not always the case where you get to buy the horse you’ve known. Honestly, PPEs are all 100%, if he’s sound doing what you are doing, that’s good news. At this point of my life (also the high cost of boarding in my area), leasing is what makes me feel comfortable as there is a way out. Something to consider!

@ParadoxFarm Happy Thanksgiving!! We are celebrating at home this year, just the hubs, and Toby.

@SuzieQNutter Mirrors!!! Why is it that only dressage riders have mirrors in the arena? When i first started riding, i tried a dressage place and was AMAZED they have mirrors, it is so helpful to watch ones position.


I am a “working student” at my barn this week, rode 3 horses and i just collapsed and took a super long nap. Riding is a workout! First horse was stubborn and sassay, second horse would not bend on one side, third horse was a freight train with no brakes, but has the best canter that’s ummm 14ft at least. So fun!!

@ridernc My darling Pepper had a tendon injury before I bought him. I was told he cut it and the vet sewed it back together as a foal. He had an old scar the size of your palm on the front of a hind Cannon bone.

I bought him rising 7 and he was sound on it every day into his 30’s. I rode him every day, on him after school to gallop around the State Forest. Rode to and from Ponyclub. When we had a float I competed him every weekend.

One weekend after a school camp on a sand island with the toilets at the top of a huge sand dunes every one but me was complaining about their calves hurting. The teachers kept us busy with physical activities so we only slept at night instead of mucking up. We were all tired.

Mum met me at the boat. Hurry up or we will be late for Friday Night jumping.

Then Saturday Ponyclub Muster. Then Sunday a One Day Event. Then Monday a public Holiday, my birthday and combined training and that was the first time Pepper and I ever won anything.

We were so fit!!! And never a lame step on that leg.

I have gone through attitude with Stars. He had ulcers with his previous owner. With me he pulled a muscle in his chest and it hurt to lift his legs in the sand. He told me this by refusing to trot and if I asked again he threatened to turn and bite my leg. I stopped immediately as I knew something was wrong but I did not know what.
He would trot and canter outside the arena. He would lunge in the arena. He was 100 % sound.

Eventually he refused to go downhill for a trail ride to the point he would not go in that direction.

In the find I told hubby I had no idea what was going on and we would take him to my chiropractor and if he didn’t find anything I would have to stop riding him.

The chiropractor picked it up immediately and said he had pulled a muscle deep in his chest going over at speed. It would hurt to lift his legs and go downhill.

That attititude has persisted until this last lot of lessons and it has magically disappeared. No not magic. A change in my training and it has worked. It is so good to have a happy horse back.

For ulcers feed unlimited grassy hay. Feed on the ground not in a feeder on the wall. Try for 24/7 turn out on grass.

Suzie Q wipes a tear from her eye. Our @Faye is all grown up and a working student. Sniff. I am so proud.

Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate. I am very thankful for this group and each of you!

Jingles are needed please for Grandad. He tested positive. He is so far asymptomatic and they told Granny they won’t isolate him. Which is nuts. He’s already in the memory care unit, and not keeping him in his room is just asking for it to spread. I’ve been in too many buildings with lax standards and it spread like wildfire.

@luckymaverick : Jingles for grandad, and why is he not isolated??? That’s crazy. We, as a country is so doomed!

@SuzieQNutter you are too kind, i put working student in quotations :). my trainer is kind enough to let me ride a few horses a day at the barn. What really is weird is that, it is so much harder to ride different horses, out of all 6 horses i rode, the easiest was actually my own. It is of course great for me to learn from riding different horses, but i really enjoy focusing on one ride :slight_smile:

Happy Thanksgiving to all that are celebrating!! I ordered TG meal from a local restaurant, supporting small business!

@Faye when I was going for my Level II, I was riding up to 8 dressage horses a day. That included my girl at lunch time.

Many of those were in a solo lesson.

I ended up at a sports chiropractor as she was one of my students. So she saw footballers, athletes etc.

I never thought of myself as an athlete so I wouldn’t have gone there otherwise. She said I had the most toned butt out of anyone she had ever met!

Stars really is a different horse. All the things we have gone through are magically gone. It took years to get him sound. First the farrier trimming him so wrong. Injuries to legs, pulled muscles in his chest and hamstring, ulcers with his former owner
Cold backed to tack and ride. Resulting in a jog and a miracle needed to canter.

I am too soft and he milked it. Those of you who remember us from the start will remember me trying to get him forward so hard I used to end up with me feeling physically sick. We had a###hole moments all the time when he just said no to what asked, so a jog instead of a trot and if in trot I would ask for canter and his ears would go back and he would walk instead.

I thought of course that this was physical and he couldn’t do it.

A dream to ride now. My instructor made me put on a oh sh*t handle ie baling twine plaited and attached to the d’s because of course Stars would buck if he didn’t like something you did.

I was asked why I carry 2 whips? It helps with bend and flexion. For getting flies off their neck and for giving scritches on the neck when they are good :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: yes scritches is a made up word. And I do not have to swap sides.

I also relented and said so they are on either side to use when I need them. He commented that I needed them 3 times in that last session and I did not use them. I had to choose one consequence if he did not do as asked. Either kick or whip but it had to be immediate and the same thing every time. Not the whip and then kick then whip.

Not only does Stars buck if something he doesn’t like but when you lift your wrist with the whip he cringes on that whole side as he knows he is going to he hit, so yes I will admit I ride without whipping horses = too soft a rider. Sigh.

I found out walking to warm up did not work and made everything worse.

So I start from the tack shed now. Instead of letting him dwardle along behind me so as he does not rodeo buck when stepping forward with the girth on. He now has a cair girth which he likes. I ask for the one step forward when he turns and then click and if he does not walk up beside me he gets a tap. I ask for halt tighten girth on this side. Click and if he does not walk forward immediately a tap. Same with halt to tighten girth on the other side.

Now I mount near E. I turn and walk to V. I ask for trot if not immediate tap and trot a few steps to the corner with not much sand. I walk so as when he is fresh him going down to walk calms me. I ask for trot and a tap if he does not go. I am more confident using the whip on the ground and in walk to start with. Just this alone has changed his attitude.

We trot around around twice on a loose rein. We change rein and trot around twice the other way. I come back across the diagonal and ask for canter his good way and canter around twice on a loose rein. Yesterday I decided to turn before getting to the not enough sand corner. I turn my head. He turns. We canter around twice on his not so good side. Again I turn my head and he turns. It is like you just think what you want and gmhe does it. If he breaks I don’t use the whip. I turn into a pony club kid bouncing and kicking and moving all around until he canters again and I sit still.

Forward to trot and I start with trot walk transitions, with sitting trot and walk on the 3rd stride, what I was given good for at my lesson. This goes to trot collected and trot forward. This goes to canter to trot. Trot 3 strides and canter, trot 3 strides and canter, don’t do that too much on a hot horse, it can be too heating.

That leads to walk canter and you now how you guys get an eye for a stride, well, wahoo, my feel for the walk canter transition is coming back. You have to ask as the outside hind is about to come forward. I could feel it yesterday.

Canter walk is not there yet. The rider is not fit and muscled enough. I am cheating and using the word steady a couple of times before I ask for walk.

Now he is forward. I can ask for medium trots. I do a canter loop and have starting to ask for leg yield in trot and canter.

Yesterday I started sitting in the collected trot and rising forward for the medium trot.

Serpentine, shoulder in, turn on the forehands.

The silly thing is the use of the whip has ended up with a happy forward horse with no attitude and no need for the whip. Yesterday I actually used it in a canter transition when he did not go into it on the 3rd stride. No turning inside out to get away from the ship. No pigroot, no nothing, he cantered on.

I asked for long and low in trot and just as we had turned away from next door the garbage truck had visited and had lifted the garbage bins over its head and there was the clanging and banging if the bins being emptied. An industrial size rectangular bin.

Not only did Stars take no notice and continue on on the longer rein. His rider also did not react and pull on the rein.

Now if the horses start running around the paddock that is a different story, but he is now becoming a horse in work instead of a horse coming back into work so hopefully he doesn’t react the next time that happens.

1 minute before I should be going up to ride, breakfast has arrived I am not dressed. I will eat breaky and go up at half past. Hubby can put him away for me.

Faye- I haven’t any idea why he’s not isolated. Beats all I’ve ever seen. I guess they figure since he’s on the secure unit, it’s isolating enough. Or, more likely, all of them have it and they figure why try and fight with them all and keep them in their rooms.

Sheesh Lucky, the News we get from America is mindblowing. The new cases and numbers that die overnight is mindboggling and unfathomable and just so so sad.

Comedians are going rife with Trump and refusing to do any shutdowns. I heard one going to town yesterday about him not letting NewYork have the vaccine as they questioned how safe it was. Which contrasts with the threads on here like the no yelling rule has come in for instructors. Barns shut down, etc.

Over here Victoria has now had no new cases or deaths for about a month. Queensland stipulated they had to do that before they opened their borders again.

Our borders are now going to reopen on December 1 to both Victoria and NSW. The news is saying this is an early Christmas present to retailers and tourism. Relatives will be able to see each other for Christmas.

On the horsey side Stars is getting better and better. Hubby laughed the other day as he heard me say to Stars in canter at the other end of the arena. “Come on Stars, Todd’s Granny can go faster than that when she gets out of her wheelchair” as he said that during our lesson.

Hubby has been debilitated for 5 days with vertigo. He is back with us again after he went to the Hospital for an injection. He said that Stars looked better than he has seen him go in ages and he went to the lesson last week. He said that Granny couldn’t catch him now!

A day off today. My one day off this month. No riding as Stars has worked hard and we are worming them this morning

I will play my game in my phone at 9am, that sets me in front of friends to receive gems every 16 hours for the rest of the week when I can’t play.

I will do my laundry for the next month. Our friend is coming for lunch and bringing mirrors for the arena. Bounce Bounce Bounce.

We will take him to a local pub for a pub meal.

I have decided I will change to riding in the afternoons at least twice a week. I will go in earlier and pick up my bike and ride to work.

Sigh my employee has quit after this lot of pamphlets. She has started doing online Tutoring for English lessons for people learning the language. That is taking off. I am happy for her.

That means I will now be delivering twice as much, but I do get the extra money. On the days I am delivering pamphlets I will have to go in earlier and deliver before work. It is just way too hot to do it after work.

I plan that this will get me fitter!

Bounce Bounce Bounce

I have been riding in Uvex Ceravent Riding gloves for the past year. $2.00 from the PRARG carboot sale. I LOVE them and are still wearing them after a year.

I decided they would be a Christmas Present for me this year.

:cry: Well over $100.00 $160.00. Over $50.00 on Ebay. I clicked on a few other links and ended up in a tack store for $28.50. Free shipping for $40.00. So I put in 2 pairs. Then I went back to one and decided to go through the shop for other things.

An Isabelle wintec saddle for 69 cents!

Yes I am elitist but hey for 69 cents if it fits I will have something to ride in if it is showering. Lucky Stars Muhahaha. :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

Then of course I had to get the webbers to go with it. I have a spare pair of stirrups with cages sitting in the tack shed. A stock pin $8.00. Lead ropes $4.00. Riding tights with knee patch $17.00. I put in the cart 3 pairs!

Then I noticed American words from this forum. Kerrits, Rambo. When I saw the words Dovers I now knew it was American and probably won’t deliver to Australia. :sleepy:

It was not a Dovers site but must get products from other places at a guess.

I kept going. So cheap compared to us. Side reins x 2. A memory foam pad. Some other padded non slip pad, lunge whip. I didnt get a girth as no idea of size. Same with hoof boots. A fancy Swarski helmet cover. Just stuff like that.

It came to over $200. I signed up and whammo. A gift certificate brought it under $200.00.

IT LET ME PUT IN AN ADDRESS FOR AUSTRALIA and pay with PayPal.

Back over $200.00 for Australian dollars, but I got heaps more for that over $200 than one pair of gloves for $160.00 plus from that website free shipping which I would probably would have had to pay if I bought the pair for $160.00

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO US!

@SuzieQNutter You always find the best deal, and what’s up with 69 cents saddle??? Awesome deals!!! And Suzie, i hear you when people outside of the states read about our Covid cases, it was never under control, and no, it won’t turn around the corner anytime soon. Hopefully the vaccine will become available soon with no drama!!

@luckymaverick. No wonder America is doomed.


This week has been absolutely amazing. No work, and riding at the barn. Some really fun lessons and super chilled hack. Not much more i can ask for!

I have no idea. I paid with Paypal so if nothing arrives I should be able to get my money back. What a shame they did not have the tiger tongue sponges I bought last year and had to pay a lot for shipping.

I love my Uvex gloves. I ride in a Uvex helmet, as well.

Thanksgiving was quiet, just the two of us. But it was good. I worked a bit on my trails, cutting wayward trees and removing rocks, etc. I have a good “ditch” to ride in and out of, as well as some other passes through the rocks and trees, etc. Seems like a good way to get out and do something different. Or use it as a cool-down walk area. :slightly_smiling_face:

Faye, sounds like you had a great week! Woohoo, fun fun.

And lucky, jingles for grand dad. I don’t understand what they are doing over there!! Scary.

My horses are all snug in their stalls this morning. It’s cold and rainy.

@luckymaverick Thinking about Granddad, how is he doing?

@ParadoxFarm Same, just the two of us plus Toby for TG, we ordered this premade meal, but nontraditional, Filipino! It was quite fancy and super delicious! My week was super fun and exhausting indeed. I don’t know how people can ride mutliple horses daily. Sometimes the groom will help me get them ready (which omg, feels so spoiled!), but when you have to do everything, it’s exhausting! In a fun way of course.

I’m back to riding on the weekends again, how depressing!

Want to give you all an overall report on my new guy. I have to say, i was questioning my life choices when i started leasing him, but he had taught me more so so much. My other horses are fairly straight forward, and never refuse jumps. TSH jumps everything, though his reaction to spooking is to bolt away and buck, so that’s a whole different issue. Toffle as you all know, is as fantastic as it can be, basically just sit there. With my new guy, you really HAVE to be confident and Keep.Your.Leg.On; i never use my leg until i started riding him. He still occasionally will stop (not enough pace), but it’s not dirty. He is someone that you absolutely cannot pull when you’re cantering, he will canter in place up and down if you do. (toff does that too, but only at shows or the situation is nerve wrecking). I am having a lot of fun with him!

At the beginning, we struggle to jump a crossrail, not enough pace or get distracted and he will stop then we struggle with just two jumps, he would get nervous, land and rush. Now we are able to quietly jump a bendy/loopy 2’3 course.