Castleton Ranch - CA - Legit?

here is a link to the Castleton Ranch horse rescue 990n form from 2015… spent over $750,000 for fund raising… to bring in $1.8 million of which less than $150,000 was spent on Feed and supplies ($102,000) Veterinary services ($18,021) and… Horse Rescue and Transport (just $25,507)…

The looking back section of the 990 … years 2011 through 2015… they raised $9,152,264… sure isn’t chump change

http://castletonranchhorserescue.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/990-2.pdf

part 9 line 16 occupancy… that is “Enter amounts for the use of office space or other facilities, including rent; heat, light, power, and other utilities expenses;”… $234,279

https://www.irs.gov/instructions/i990#idm140321119480880

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Since my original post, May 2015, Post #72, we (True Innocents Equine Rescue) have been fortunate to have had a relationship with Castleton. It is my understanding that they are a mostly a rescue/retirement/sanctuary organization. They have helped our rescue and others when they could. Most recently, they have generously helped with one of our horses who underwent EORTH surgery. http://www.tierrescue.org/Deacon.htm

Their generosity and caring has helped this horse tremendously. They helped us to cover aftercare costs while our other funds are utilized for the horses currently in TIER’s care. I also know they have assisted other rescues in helping horses.

They aren’t much for the limelight and quietly go about helping quite a few horses.

I say potato, you say potatoe…whatever.

But bumping this thread back up is a really, really bad idea if Potatoe Beetles wants to defend this organization. Many legitimate questions were raised that were not given specific answers not the least of which is the current financial information clanter dug up. And this thread is now going to go back to the top of any search engine results.

What was never answered was…

  1. How many horses were rescued, surrendered, bought at auction or privately or otherwise obtained in the most recent calendar year available?

  2. How many of those horses are/were adopted out, sold or remain on the property either sponsored by donation or owned?

Two simple questions. No names needed. Just numbers. PLEASE.

While we are at it, can donors, sponsors or potential adopters visit the farm sites? Where would one go to see available horses…in person. Do these farms operate under the rescue name or under different, undisclosed names?

Anyone care to enlighten us? It a legitimate question other rescues can easily answer.

ETA…wanting to avoid the limelight is admirable…if you aren’t sending mass mailings begging for donations because you CANT AFFORD TO FEED those horses despite being able to afford office space etc. Where are those horses today? How many survived and were adopted out?

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OMG Thanksgiving leftovers

Mr Quayle, is that you???

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Update–they’re still around. I got a calendar from them, not unusual this time of year. Since the return address is Lancaster, CA, not far from me, I went to Charity Navigator to see what their profile looked like. Not good. Two stars out of a possible 4. I don’t support charities with a 2-star rating. But the horses pictured all look glossy and happy, the fences are wire between wooden posts, and there is way too much greenery around for this area. According to Charity Navigator, they’re not in Lancaster, which is in Los Angeles County. They’re in Valley Center, in San Diego County. This is an expensive, professionally produced calendar on thick glossy paper, and I probably would have sent a donation except for that 2-star rating. If you get one of their calendars and are feeling charitable, I suggest Front Range Rescue–4 stars.

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They have 2 facilities. One in Valley Center and one in Lancaster. They are low key and are on Facebook. They take excellent care of their horses and do not take in more than they are able to care for. When TIER had a horse undergoing expensive EOTRH surgery to improve the quality of his life, Castleton Ranch assisted us with costs of aftercare visits.

They have a pretty active Facebook page. Worth checking out if folks are curious https://m.facebook.com/castletonranchhorserescue/

Castleton’s involvement in the recent situation involving TB broodmares and weanlings dumped at auction by EF1 farms (they had partnered with Adena Springs and bred an insane amount of mares, then ran out of cash and were suctioning them online… pretty awful) led me to this COTH thread. Interesting reading… some of the past back and forth is kind of nasty on both sides though. Seems like the mods deleted chunks, and earlier posters were banned.

The fact that they have consistently filed 990’s year after year, and have a well maintained facility (pictures on Facebook look nice) with healthy animals is a positive, in my opinion. I am curious as to how many employees are involved with the organization, and what the annual salaries for each of them are. Essentially, are salaries over or under $100,000 a year… including the president. And yes… how many horses do they have, on average, at both their farms, for the last 5 years. Simple questions.

I think it’s fair for folks to be upset with direct mail marketing that is dishonest/extremely dramatic. Especially if it gets sent to people’s elderly parents… But slick marketing campaigns seem to be the “norm” these days. Bake sales and other little local fundraisers are labor intensive, and not nearly as effective. My kids school replaced an annual PTA bake sale/carnival event last year and used a professional fundraising company to help with PTA stuff. The company orgainized a community wide 5k, and did a crazy obnoxious marketing campaign. The contract involved the company collecting $0.50 of every dollar donated… apparently this is the industry norm. Well… They blew away all prior fundraising efforts, and raised almost $100,000. And walked away with $50k. Myself, and a lot of other parents were horrified. And the fundraising campaign itself was pushy and obnoxious, with these people going into the kid’s classrooms and asking them to talk to parents, grandparents, family friends… uggh. Parents were all angry at the tactics and the $ the company walked off with, but no one really wants to volunteer for the bake sale or sell wrapping paper door to door anymore. So I think the PTA may simply vote to continue using an outside company in future years. Just hopefully they oversee the whole thing a bit more closely. It’s a brave new world, I guess.

I just followed recent news about a “rescue” failing horribly here in Virginia. Eagle Hill Equine Rescue. It’s got its own crazy old COTH thread. 43 horses were turned over to multiple other legit organizations in this area a week or two ago. Some were starving, many were pretty feral, some had serious health and untreated lameness issues… pictures coming out are terrible. This place has a long history, with earlier crisis situations, starving animals, mandated herd reductions, and only sporadic filing of necessary IRS forms. Apparently, the recent decline and horrible circumstances with the horses were also partly caused by staff at the farm (it’s unclear if they were employees or volunteers, or some combination). It seems like the older farm owner was sinking into dementia on top of other issues, and the “staff” managing the farm and caring for the rescue horses were incredibly underqualified, and local teenagers in some cases. The end result is pretty horrific.

I’m just bringing it up to compare and contrast these two “rescues.” I don’t like scams… but if Castleton has filed 990s for years, worked with other rescue organizations in the area, and the animals they take in are all well cared for… well… that’s positive. They just got 8 or 9 horses from that TB farm auction, and are actually foaling out some of the older broodmares involved, retiring them, and working with other groups to get the foals adopted out after weaning. That’s pretty admirable work. Definitely labor intensive, and won’t be cheap in terms of veterinary or feed expenses. And those pregnant mares were in a bad position.

Personally, I am fed up with non profit soliciting of ALL kinds. I guess it all somehow creates jobs for people in the print industry and call centers somewhere though, and some money goes to charities because of it. I’m not a fan of any of it though. But I’m also not a fan of virtuous people who collect horses, are underfunded, then give them inadequate care. No one wants to create a charity that exists solely for the purpose of humanely and quickly euthanizing and disposing of animals people don’t want, and can’t afford. In some ways… that might be best though.

Of course Castleton Ranch is legit. They not only rescue horses from auction that are pretty much otherwise doomed to go to a horrible death at slaughter, after they rescue them they take excellent care of them. I went out to their ranch just to have a visit and look at the horses.

The horses were in great shape, shiny and you can tell by their hooves they were in excellent shape. The horses looked happy and lively. The people there are great and very friendly and you can tell they care about the animals. I dot even see why their legitimacy came into question?

The people trying to bash on this place are probably some lowlife kill buyers who got angry that these people take the horses from the auctions and outbid them. The people are probably jsut the kil buyers trying to ruin the reputation of this place. Castleton ranch actually helps other rescues as well, I guess teh people at castleton are so busy actually taking care of horses they dont really have time to go bragging about it all day, unlike some other rescues I have been to that just use the horses to draw in money.

NOTE to kill buyers: Go to hell! :stuck_out_tongue:

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As the original poster lo these 8 years ago, one thing that is crystal clear about Castleton Ranch supporters is that they are really really grouchy. We’ve had what? three or four of them over the past 8 years and they really don’t give a warm fuzzy feeling about the rescue.

I still haven’t donated any money!

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You aren’t doing them any favors when you write like that AnsleyN.

You’re right oldernewbie,they are a testy bunch. :lol:

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I am sure we are all goose stepping together on behalf of some kill buyer.

If we have a problem with the organization it has to do with the allocation of charitable donations, heavily skewed towards office and administrative tasks, versus the claims made in fundraising material that the organization needs more money for actual horse expenses.

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Sorta like PETA and a host of other organizations who pull at the heartstrings to open the purse strings.

G.

Having your french bread taken from you = disembouling.

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I was reading this thread that looks to be several years old. The fact that people are piling on in an attack against this rescue (Castleton Ranch) equates to mob bullying. I read the thread from first to last and not one person has any actual experience at the ranch or with it. The 2 people that do had email from a vet praising the ranch, the other person had actually been there and seen the horses.

That person was attacked by skydy who said "You aren’t doing them any favors when you write like that AnsleyN.

You’re right oldernewbie,they are a testy bunch.😄

Yeah, so when someone attacks you and you defend yourself or speak up you are “Testy”?? Ok…got it🤔 So sounds to me like a most of the people on this thread are attempting to outright bully this organization, then when others come on and tell ther positive experience you attempt to bully them. How is that not mob bullying?
Then when the person comes on here (apparently from Castleton Ranch) to defend themselves you guys start misconstruing everything they say and claiming it was agressive or similar negative nonsense. Let me ask you this, what would you do if you were attacked, the way you guys attacked this organization? Would you just sit there and take the abuse or would you defens yourself? Seems like they came on here to defend their good name and you guys attacked which made them angry (rightfully so).

I don’t have a dog in the fight, I am just stating what any common sense person can see when reading thread from start to finish. I’m sure one of the bullies on here will attempt to attack me as well for not joinng in on the child-like attack on Castleton Ranch. All I can say is I checked and the place has been Guidestar Platinum for years now…FACT. So what are you guys doing to help horses out , or are you just on here trolling while sitting at your computer eating chips and watchng soap operas?

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QFP. Why in the world dredge up this old thread other than to stir up some drama? Wow.

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Wildlittlewren, the purpose was not to “stir up drama” , but to point out that it was indeed mob bullying. I looked up this organization and its been Guidestar Platinum year after year. So what was the purpose of your response? Sounds like that was to “stir up drama”.

Its like if a bully tries to beat on someone and that person fights back in their own defense and the bully then says " whats your problem" or “That is a testy one” when all along it was them causing the problem…its called gas lighting and its a tactic weak bully types use, which it was clear that this is what was going on in this thread, so , yeah I am going to point that out and if you dont want to hear it then don’t respond. Simple as that.ðŸ¤

I guess I’m the chief bully since I started the discussion. No, I’ve never been to the ranch. But I was the recipient of a very glossy, very professional mass mailing which no doubt cost a lot of money. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to ask if anyone has any experience with them, since most legit rescues in my experience would tone down the marketing and spend the money on the horses. I think we learned a lot from the discussion.

So far the only nastiness has come from the supporters of the rescue and your post certainly fits that genre. Seems like you all have a hard time distinguishing between an open and lively discussion and bullying. Don’t know why that is and why you all feel compelled to keep reviving the “bullying” as you call it, but here we are.

I still won’t send Castleton any money. My hard earned cash goes to rescues like Saddlebred Rescue who take their donations and put them to the horses, are transparent, and help a heck of a lot of horses. I reserve the right to ask the same questions of any rescue that wants my money as I asked about Castleton.

To each their own.

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Because they have “no dog in this fight”, of course.:lol:

@Horseman784 if you had been around awhile you wouldn’t begin your posting here by accusing others of being mean bullies. We’ve seen too many fraudulent “rescues”.

I’m actually not a “mean bully”. Ask around.

What many of us will do, is call out people that rip off concerned people in the name of their “horse rescue” when it is managed in a poor manner , is a hoarding situation, or is just a complete fraud.

Asking for information about and/or for the financial records of a legitimate “rescue” should not be met with either hostility or whining and accusations of bullying on the part of the “rescue”.

Sorry. The majority of the people on the COTH forums did not just fall out of the turnip truck.

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read their 990 form, interesting… so they claim to have 80 to 100 head under care at all times, farrier every six weeks with if needed all corrective farrier needs … for under $13,000 … not saying that is impossible but from my experience it is questionable

Including Lease payments, the director is pulling in nearly $300,000 of about 1.7M budget

They spend about $50k to pay an outside fund raising company

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Proper bookkeeping is very important, but often neglected. Maybe, this year, this rescue can start fresh and maintain their books a little better.

I would also be interested to know if their heavy handed advertisements are yielding a profit. That stuff might work in La La Land, which may be the bulk of their targets. I hate seeing that, personally. I’d rather donate to the rescue down the road that is spending their money on the animals.

There are worse rescues out there.