[QUOTE=7HL;6087313]
HSUS has already made comments, they are the same as PETA. And I wouldn’t be surprised if some posting in this thread are members of either or both.[/QUOTE]
I am sorry, but the only radical person making hostile, inflamed statements on this thread that I can see is you. Are you paranoid? Do you hear voices? Seriously!?
Hostile what have I said that is hostile?
Parnoid of some ARA fluffs?:lol::lol::lol:
No voices, do you?
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6087349]
I am pretty sure slaughter bound horses are not the ones spreading disease…
If the shipper does not have the necessary papers, one more charge to be filed.[/QUOTE]
Hopefully a separate charge for each horse missing the needed papers.
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6087404]
Why?[/QUOTE]
Presidio is where there is a feedlot/gathering area for horses being sent to slaughter in Mexico. We had a thread on off Course recently about the feedlot having a lot of starved/dead horses being thrown into the washes where they can contaminate the groundwater supply.
We folks who object to the slaughter system as it is done now…and I’m one of them…keep getting told by the “pros” that slaughter and all it’s aspects can be humane. We just have to enforce the laws, etc… Well, here’s an opportunity for slaughter proponents to nail someone for violating laws. As JSwan said…if you are going to do it, do it right. All I keep reading on here are the strongly pro slaughter people defending what this guy has done so far! You can’t have it both ways folks!
First, he’s lying about where they are going. Second, he doesn’t seem to have his paperwork in order, Third…was he following the laws of the Humane Transport Act? Did he have the horses loaded appropriately in that rig? If not, slam his ass with tons of fines and charge him with violation of the laws. PROTECT the horses who need other horsepeople to stand up for them and not just excuse what he has done and demand that the laws in in existence to protect slaughter bound horses, at the very least, be enforced. Nothing is ever going to get better for horses if we all look the other way when something like this happens because the “poor man” is trying to make a living. Cut me a break! :no:
Because of people like you.
Oh come on. For the twenty millionth time, I’m not anti-slaughter. I just happen to think that there should be consequences for actions, and you don’t have to be a genius to figure out that there is a really good chance that some laws were being broken by this guy.
If not, I’ll be the first to apologize for my conclusions.
This is a discussion board. People get to discuss horse related topics, of which this is one. What is the big deal?
Please avoid the personal commentary. It’s fine to debate the topic, but avoid insults, foul language, etc.
Thanks,
Mod 1
Because of people like you who think it’s their business to know other people’s business.
As I said, if the horses were on their way to the moon, it would be just the same, or Santa Anita or Calgary.
The discussion is asinine.
It was a horrible accident.
It would have been bad enough it the truck had held a million rolls of toilet paper, not life cargo.
Now go back and re-read the ‘discussion’: It’s a DD - which it 's clearly not.
It’s overloaded - which can clearly be seen from a few news photos? How so?
The Driver is evil - I am sure he must be, holding on to a job, evil man, hauling horses…
The owner of the farm is a scumbag - well, he might be, but not because he is dealing in low end horses.
They lied - hell, I would too. Because my business is mine. Hauling horses to Texas is not illegal. Hauling them across the border isn’t either. It’s not even morally reprehensible. Now, if you believe the rumors that he has a hand in the deplorable conditions in Texas, that’s a different story. Not related to an overturned truck. But we love to muddle the waters here, don’t we.
And good grief, of course he don’t want to tell the media about any involvement with the Texas stuff. Aside from the fact that legal council probably told him to zip it, the media hardly ever gets it right these days anymore.
Which brings us back to the beginning of the story:
The driver may or may not have fallen asleep.
And here is pretty much where the HR ends: The driver will in all likelihood see a laundry list of charges brought against him, all in relation to the traffic rules he violated by wrecking his rig.
I am pretty sure they will also reconstruct the weight of said rig, since the authorities frown big time on overloaded trucks on the road.
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6087782]
I am pretty sure they will also reconstruct the weight of said rig, since the authorities frown big time on overloaded trucks on the road.[/QUOTE]
38 horses at 1,000lbs each still keeps the truck well under regulation GVW for TN
Tamara
[QUOTE=rustbreeches;6087302]
Nope. A semi load of cows is around 40. More if it is heifers or Jerseys or young steers heading to feed lots. As mentioned by many posters, the tighter they are packed, the better they ship.[/QUOTE]
because of their WEIGHT !!! argh…the max weight per state per loaded truck normally rolls between 40,000 and 44,000…the western states can go higher than that due to their flat land…40 cows make a load if 40 cows weigh 1,000 each…
20 tons folks that is the majikal number in horses,cattle,hay whatever…
wanna see Himself go nuclear? send him a truck that is even 500 pounds short of 20 tons of hay…do it just one time;)…as all freight in terms of hay is based on a 20 ton load…so if you buy a semi load of hay and it weighs only 15 tons the shortage has been cheated away from you and you have paid for 5 tons of air to be moved with the hay…
Tamara
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6087782]
Because of people like you who think it’s their business to know other people’s business.[/QUOTE]
Anyone traveling I40 or the other roads these rigs take should make it their business, one of these times one of these wrecks might kill innocent people sharing that road.
The thing is without making things ‘our business’, things do not get overseen, regulations do not get enforced, and change does not occur.
If there was no wreck no one would have known about this trailer, where it was headed. We would not know that the owner of Three Angels is also suspected to be involved in the feedlot neglect in TX of those rejected slaughter prospects, we would not know he was transporting without paperwork, that this co. had had other wrecks,…
This all came about because he had an accident, and in investigating that accident it was discovered that the co. was suspected or guilty of other things. It’s not like people went snooping and found it, these people played fast and loose and now the entire scope of what they do and what they do not do is revealed. When that happens and they are endangering the lives of other drivers, and ignoring other regulations that effect horses and horsemen [horses traveling through your own state without papers doesn’t bother you?]… well yes, then it is our business.
[QUOTE=Appsolute;6086844]
Packing them in, IS the CHEAPER way to haul horses. Its not done for their well being. It is done because of $. If safely and well being of the horse was top priority, they would be hauled in the commercial horse transport rigs we are familiar with (standing stalls, box stalls, air ride etc).
These horses were hauled like meat animals. Which the owner is claiming they were not.[/QUOTE]
umm if you did not want the proper answer for animals hauled in semi length stock trailers why did you read it?
do you really think every horse in this nation is hauled in 12x12 box stalls with standing wraps, cameras and a servant to ride in the back with them?
you use the royal “we” a bit too freely…you cannot leave excess room in semi stock trailers…Bob Hubbard can get away with it in their rigs as they are so UNDERWEIGHT with their 4-6 tons of well wrapped padded and bedded horse meat that their trucks don’t feel them when they move…not at all…but they are making bank on the haul…totally…
go to 16-20 tons of meat (of any species) shifting violently on a curvy road EVEN on a single level trailer and what will you have then…wanna guess?
have you never pulled a bumper pull trailer and felt the horse jerk the pull vehicle to one side as it moves? this is because the animal load has overloaded the capacity of the vehicle
at a certain weight all cargo much be restrained for the safety of all on the road…
Tamara
…which later will show up in an Off Course thread or two… :winkgrin:
For the record, my interent boredom sleuthing has failed to turn up an actual farm… Just a trucking company with “farm” in the name. Kinda like a McChicken Sandwich. It’s resembles Chicken in name only. Marketting.
[QUOTE=RedMare01;6086880]
A) Do you haul 38 of your horses in a stock trailer at one time?
B) Can you find me a trailer (anywhere, any kind of trailer) legally capable of hauling 38 adult, full size horses at one time?
QUOTE]
ok here you go
2012 Eby ground load…with ramps and cut gates 53 feet long and 102 wide…
http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=894972&
Tamara
[QUOTE=Belg;6087896]
…which later will show up in an Off Course thread or two… :winkgrin:
For the record, my interent boredom sleuthing has failed to turn up an actual farm… Just a trucking company with “farm” in the name. Kinda like a McChicken Sandwich. It’s resembles Chicken in name only. Marketting.[/QUOTE]
in the state of TN (where I live) and if you keep semis (of which I own four) and you are a farm(check) you can buy what are called “farm tags” for your trucks and trailers and that gives you certain protections and lowered costs that transport companies will not have…
the down side is however that you must NEVER haul anything but your own products with that semi
Tamara
[QUOTE=Tamara in TN;6087900]
ok here you go
2012 Eby ground load…with ramps and cut gates 53 feet long and 102 wide…
http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=894972&
Tamara
This is the kind of trailer that rodeo stock is moved all over the country in. They seem to do just fine.
What makes this a “story” is that it was a load of horses. In my opinion it would be just as sad if is was ANY animals, even “just” a load of chickens.
Eliviates you from giving rides to other people. 
Point well made.
Thanks for the clarification…
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