Check your Sundowner Trailer before use!

ATTN: ALL SUNDOWNER TRAILER OWNERS

[QUOTE=Old Equine Lady;3012654]
I purchased a Sundowner trailer in March 2000. There is an 8 year warranty on structural defects. I found significant failure of the floor structure where the steel is placed against the aluminum. This caused the support for the floor to severely rusted out and become subjected to failure at any given time. When I took the trailer to a qualified dealer, they informed me they could only fix one a month and I would have to wait until April as there were several ahead of me. This should be illegal and is unacceptable as I need a method of hauling my horses. I currently care for several retired horhas come to my attention that there is a serious design flaw in the powder-coated steel frames on the “Valuelite” models of Sundowner Trailers causing these frames to rust at an accelerated rate. Further, I understand that the manufacturer has not alerted the owners of these trailers to the damage occuring and the danger of a major frame failure.

In 1999 Sundowner began building “Valuelite” trailers using power coated steel frames. There is an inherent design flaw in the engineering of this type of frame. Powder coating does not flex with the trailer, and what happens over time, as the trailer travels and vibrates, the powder coating over the steel frame splits apart at the frame joints. Moisture is then trapped between the frame and the powder coating, causing the steel to rust at an accelerated rate, as it has no way to dry out.

Sundowner is aware of the problem. However, to my knowledge, I have never heard of any type of factory recall nor even any type of notice of concern being sent from the manufacturer to all affected customers. It is reasonable to assume that almost every “Valuelite” trailer presently on the road has this problem, and that most owners are blissfully unaware of the problem.

The only solution I know of to “band-aid” the problem is to have the entire frame sanded with a power sander, then a “metal cleaner” should be applied, then a “metal ready” product applied, and finally at least 3 coats of “POR 15” should be applied to stop further deterioration. POR 15 will need to be applied every few years to insure full rust prevention.

If the trailer is still under warranty, Sundowner will do the work, although the trailer owner should make sure that all of the above procedures are done. It is interesting to note that this winter Sundowner announced that they have stopped making Valuelite trailers without any explanation as to why they were discontinuing the model.

I hope this information is helpful to any owners of Sundowner “Valuelite” trailers.

ses that require the best of care. This includes hauling the horses to the hospital or clinic if required. Failure to obtain timely medical services for any one of these horses may result in an untimely death. The design of the special powder coating on the trailer is very unsafe and should be recalled. At any time, one of these trailers floors can fall out with a horse on board and drag the horse down the highway, killing it. Sundowner claimed they solved the problem of steel against aluminum with a special powder coating, but the “powder coating” is failing and an accident is waiting to happen. They have made some changes to the newer trailers, but these also have the possibility of failure.
The inspection station I took my trailer to for inspection stated they have seen over 250 of these failing floor supports. That is just one station. Please, if you own a Sundowner, get a good look under your trailer before you put your horse on it![/QUOTE]

iT has come to my attention that there is a serious design flaw in the powder-coated steel frames on the “Valuelite” models of Sundowner Trailers causing these frames to rust at an accelerated rate. Further, I understand that the manufacturer has not alerted the owners of these trailers to the damage occuring and the danger of a major frame failure.

In 1999 Sundowner began building “Valuelite” trailers using power coated steel frames. There is an inherent design flaw in the engineering of this type of frame. Powder coating does not flex with the trailer, and what happens over time, as the trailer travels and vibrates, the powder coating over the steel frame splits apart at the frame joints. Moisture is then trapped between the frame and the powder coating, causing the steel to rust at an accelerated rate, as it has no way to dry out.

Sundowner is aware of the problem. However, to my knowledge, I have never heard of any type of factory recall nor even any type of notice of concern being sent from the manufacturer to all affected customers. It is reasonable to assume that almost every “Valuelite” trailer presently on the road has this problem, and that most owners are blissfully unaware of the problem.

The only solution I know of to “band-aid” the problem is to have the entire frame sanded with a power sander, then a “metal cleaner” should be applied, then a “metal ready” product applied, and finally at least 3 coats of “POR 15” should be applied to stop further deterioration. POR 15 will need to be applied every few years to insure full rust prevention.

If the trailer is still under warranty, Sundowner will do the work, although the trailer owner should make sure that all of the above procedures are done. It is interesting to note that this winter Sundowner announced that they have stopped making Valuelite trailers without any explanation as to why they were discontinuing the model.

I hope this information is helpful to any owners of Sundowner “Valuelite” trailers.

Well, if you read the original post Sundowner is honoring the warranty. The OP is upset that it’s going to have to take her own mechanic so long to get to it.

My trailer is over 8 years old and nothing has failed on it. The axles and tires are perfectly appropriate, the welds are good, the hinges are good (and the side door is still on even though one of my horses tried to tear it off).

It’s got normal wear and tear - but so does my tow vehicle. Sorry some of you seem to have problems with your trailers. I remember the days of the Featherlite hysteria, and I can think of many trailers that have failed for various reasons. Usually because of failure to maintain it; or just age.

If any of y’all think having to scrape and sand is some sort of monumental disaster and worthy of a national recall, you’ve obviously never spent the winter under a boat in the boatyard. Farm vehicles and implements require a lot of maintenance. Just like boats and boat trailers. Neither is any fun, and both cost money. Unsaddle the drama llamas.

Yikes… mines an 2000 (I think a SunLite?)… now I’m nervous! I haven’t had any problems with my trailer yet (and I LOVE it), but I have noticed some rust (I assumed it was just superficial… just where the paint flaked off). I need to take it in for some routine maintenance… I’ll be sure to have them check it out to make sure it’s still safe for my horsey to ride in.

J Swan – They refused to honor the warranty … we met directly with the owners at their plant … They refused to admit anything was wrong. It was hard to legally prove otherwise, since no government standards EXIST for such units from a STRUCTURAL standpoint (only regulations on tail lighting, reflective tapes, etc.)

Sadly, a lot of Mftr’s these days refuse to admit any wrongdoing.

Do they think that admitting a wrong opens them up for a lawsuit?

Possibly. So, instead they will risk injured & mangled horses … and they get unhappy, non returning customers, BBB complaints, and NHTSA complaints (I made one and encourage others to do so). Maybe it is due to similar complaints that some trailers are no longer made?

Hopefully, owners of ANY brand of trailer deemed unsafe as a PRODUCT of its engineering schemes or mft’g. practices will pursue complaints with the proper governing authorities.

If we do not, is it because we feel comfy loading our trusting equines on to trailers with NO consumer testing or government mandated structural requirements?

No wonder these horses don’t want to load. They sense more than we do.

FYI - A friend had a lovely Hanoverian last summer who refused to load after a very successful show. Unusual for him … we coerced him on anyway. Within 11 miles of the show grounds, his foot went thru the floor at 60 m.p.h on an interstate, resulting in a 3 week hospital stay and one year of rehab. His coronet band had been sliced all the way thru … it had to grow out. Sadly, the hoof split after he threw a shoe almost a year to the day after the trailer floor gave way. Infection set in instantly … and he had to be euthanized. No one saw that coming, includ. the surgical staff and equine professional working on his case.

Investigations revealed that the trailer floor had been put together with all aluminum - a respectable thickness - until they ran out in one section. For that section, they stuck in PLYWOOD and COVERED IT WITH a very thin aluminum skin. This location was right where the horse’s front feet rested in transit. Over time, the metal had leaked water on the plywood and the plywood had rotted. This was truly something NO ONE (except the factory) could have ever seen coming or ever known about. We had inspected the floor and never saw anything. It was all hidden by aluminum as intended by the factory - which has since sold and no longer produces a horse trailer product, BTW.

Since then, I have inspected several of such factories and it is not unusual to find cases of alcholic beverages in the fridges in the employee break rooms … (nice touch, huh?). Their metal working / fabrication shops are some of the highest violators of employee safety standards in the nation … and have been on OSHA’s “initiative” program for more than 3 years now.

I have personally lost all faith in trailer mftr’s.

When I custom designed and ordered my CURRENT trailer, I actually had them hold production on it in the structural phase until I could get to the factory to inspect it myself. I took photos (with film, as digital is not admissable in court) from every angle. I told them the story about previous experiences … I then politely let them know if anything went wrong or if any aspect of the trailer was stucturally compromised resulting in harm to me, my horse or other travelers on the road, that I’d pursue legal action against them.

Only after it passed my own inspection did I give them the green light to continue finishing my trailer … (talk about a PITA customer!). They were actually GREAT about it and they wecolmed all of my input, including design revisions for future similar models.

FWIW - Unless there’s been a recent change, there are NO government issued minimal safety structural standards for livestock rigs. Some trailer Mftr’s. have formed their own group to “self police.” To see what standards they have set for themselves, you can reference their website. I think it is : National Trailer Manufacturer’s Association.

Magnum

You don’t have to defend yourself; I wasn’t attacking you. I have no doubt that you had problems with your trailer.

And I’m right with you on the quality issues. It’s one reason I think they are all deathtraps.

You’re right - there is little to no oversight. From what I’ve read; the trigger for reporting an accident to the feds is the GVW of the tow vehicle. Most of the tow vehicles horse owners tow with are under that GVW. So any manufacturer can point to a flawless safety record. Doesn’t matter what type of trailer - Brenderups, Exiss, Sundowner, Featherlite… etc.

It makes me tear my hair out - but that is the subject of another thread.

In all honestly - the rusting on the frame is going to happen. There are terrific products out there to fix it. Horse trailers (and trailers in general) require a great deal more maintenance than the manufacturers tell us. I suppose the exception could be the all aluminum - but aluminum is difficult to weld, corrodes… you know - no trailer design is perfect. Eventually they all fail.

I don’t have any vested interest in defending Sundowner, or my personal choice of horse trailer. I’ve just not had one single problem with it. However, I do maintain it more than the average horse owner. So - I don’t know if that has anything to do with it or not.

Since 1980 I have only had KINGSTON trailers and if I bought a new one today it would be a KINGSTON. :yes:

I also wonder about trailers made in one part of the country being shipped to other parts. I live in MA and use my trailer year round. I hose the undercarriage everytime I take it out in the winter and try to avoid going out on snowy/salt ridden roads.

That said- I do get my trailer serviced annually and will ask them about my frame and how it’s looking. I’ve had the trailer for 4 years. There were little things in the warranty that were covered. I have a step down so the bumpers were pulled out as the horses stepped on them at times .

I did have an axle bend. It wasn’t covered. We did get another and I’m pretty sure it was my fault.

I do have a sundowner. I love my trailer. I will be sure to keep on top of these concerns. Frankly , for those of us with these trailers we are stuck. I know my 4 year old gooseneck trailer isn’t going to be the first thing someone looks at when considering a used trailer. Up in NE I’m seeing more 2 h bp’s behind smaller and smaller towing vehicles than I could have imagined. That’s another post and J Swan’s prayer will apply there also :slight_smile:

JSwan–You made me smile. You are a hunting, riding, perfectionist with perfect tack and a wealth of knowledge. I can always count on you to keep it interesting!!! :slight_smile:

http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/forum/thread-view.asp?threadid=8760&start=1

I don’t have an iron in the fire, but saw this…

Interesting thread. It does look as if they are trying a couple of different options. I too have the lovely rhino coated frame. I remember when we bought the trailer the salesman at a place we didnt’ buy a sundowner did tell us about the oxydation effect. However, he said they had done things to minimize the risk. Hmmm… maybe my 2003 is going to be ok?

I know I bring my trailer for work with the mats pulled out so they can see the floor etc. I really appreciate this thread. The trailer is only 4 years old so I can hopefully try to be proactive.

Good luck to all and here’s hoping for no more serious accidents due to this problem.

Evalee, perhaps you are referring to a different Dr. Doolittle, but the one I know had a Kieffer trailer that had the doors fail (no ramp on this trailer, so no ramp to fall off), and had her horse dragged down the road. Keiffer maintained the trailer was fine, but I do get a sick kick out of their current advertising which states “better doors.”

Because there are no federal regulations on trailers, some companies will build to the minimum…

Of course, we should all do maintenance, but I find it inconceivable to me that a floor should fail after only 8 years of use. My car is 14 years old and has 209,000 miles on it. It has had good engine maintenance, but I certainly don’t maintain the interior much nor do I wash it very often and yet I don’t think I’m going to fall through the floor as I drive down the highway. (Of course, I don’t normally pee in it either! ) But until there are federal regulations that trailer companies must meet, it is up to them as to what standard they build to.

[QUOTE=Touchstone Farm;3023840]
Evalee, perhaps you are referring to a different Dr. Doolittle, but the one I know had a Kieffer trailer that had the doors fail (no ramp on this trailer, so no ramp to fall off), and had her horse dragged down the road. Keiffer maintained the trailer was fine, but I do get a sick kick out of their current advertising which states “better doors.” . . .[/QUOTE]

Same Dr. Doolittle. I was mistaken about the brand (old age = short memory).

No problem, J Swan. I took no offense, but rather wanted to clarify.

I will have to do some digging around about GVW’s … I had not before heard of this, but good info. and thanks.

BTW – forgot to mention above, the horse who lost his life to the trailer in question was age 5 and it was after his first show at Training level, where he got 70%! He was 6 when the hoof structure failed and he had to be euthanized.
A totally avoidable tragedy.

Magnum

Issue Resolved in 2003

I have a 2007 777 without a dressing room that I’m about to trade in for one with. I’ve been very happy with it, until I saw this thread! Asked my Sundowner dealer about it.

Apparently the problem began in 1999 and was resolved in 2003. Now, they use a rhino lining kind of material that flexes (the powder coat cracked as a consequence of flexing, and water got into the cracks and was trapped, which caused the corrosion).

It’s my understanding that Sundowner NEVER fixed the problem. They have continued manufacturing these trailers with the powder coating knowing full well the problems consumers would face. They have only recently announced that they are stopping production on them to go with an all aluminum model.

I have a 2004 that I bring in annually for service. Usually in the fall but this year next week :). I didn’t trailer through the winter this year like I have in the past so delayed the service until the use would pick up.

I bought my trailer at the EA and have since then gone to Orchard for service. They have been great. I called today and the service guy told me that he isn’t the one to talk to me about this. He sent me to a VM and I left a message. I always pull the mats when it’s serviced to be sure they can get a look at everything.

My floor and frame are rhinocoated. The coating is just starting to crack off in spots. I asked the service guy if he’ll check for it , I usually give a list anyway so I’ll put it on.

I’m interested to see what they have to say. I told them I’m just looking for guidelines as to what to watch for. Maybe he’ll call back tomorrow.

FYI-for those in my area 10% off if you get your trailer serviced by the end of Feb. What the heck? If the weather is lousy I’ll forego the 10% and book it in March.

Okay…this thread got me paranoid so I had my 2003 Sundowner bumper pull brought in for inspection with a request to look at the ramp, the welds, tires etc. And guess what, they found some issues where the powder coat meets the frame. One spot but the mechanic said it needed to be taken care of sooner than later. I bought it in New Jersey so now what do I do? Call the dealer or Sundowner themselves to see if they will address the problem? Any thoughts or will they not cover this?

I’ll see if I can find that information for you. I seem to recall that it came from… DOT? It was the last time we had a “trailer” thread, and several people mentioned the dearth of data on trailer accidents. So I did some poking around.

For the poster who mentioned trailers not meeting the same standard as autos… I think if they did they’d be a heck of a lot more expensive than they are now. Not a justification for shoddy work, of course. But I think a 12K horse trailer would easily go for 30K or higher if they had to meet the same highway standards as automobiles.

And even then… autos/trucks fail all the time too.

pasodqueen - if your trailer is still under warranty, and you find something wrong, obviously you should make a claim under the warranty. It’s not a big deal.

promlightshine - I have been dealing with Orchard trailers too. They are nothing but a class act!! Talk about making the best of a really bad situation (they have close to 2,000 Sundowners on the road). Peter the service manager spent almost half an hour with me on the phone and was completely honest and upfront about the situation. I personally didn’t feel like going through the whole warranty claim and waiting to see if they would reimburse me for the repairs so decided to trade my trailer in. Orchard trailers took it in trade for a very good price and will have the repairs done under their name before reselling it.

And I had to laugh when you mentioned the 10% off…that’s what started this whole thing for me. I thought I’d save 10% on my annual service, instead I ended up with a new trailer. LOL! :slight_smile:

XHalt, what brand of trailer did you buy?

[QUOTE=talloaks;3027579]
XHalt, what brand of trailer did you buy?[/QUOTE]

An Elite…all aluminum so hopefully it will last a long time.