Chronic colic, any vets that specialize? UPDATE post 29

This is a difficult thing to deal with. I had a chronic colicer who had his first colic—an impaction due to a fever from a virus going around—at age 8, and he became a super gassy chronic colicer from that point on, until I put him down at 13. So for him, it was a sudden thing. Just to say that the previous owners may be right and he may not have had a history. I later discovered that his half sibling was a colicer also, so maybe it ran in the family.

The best thing IMO is to observe and figure out what works best for your horse. Which it sound like you are doing. They often don’t follow the book, and don’t ‘make sense.’
A good vet will listen, and read your colic journals (keep one—the things that seems to set it off, etc) and work with that information.

Good luck.

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I’m hoping he stays healthy with the addition of Prascend! He has been on it since September.

Have you gotten him allergy tested?

Found out mine was allergic to pretty much all hay and grain. Once we cut out his allergens all of our stomach issues stopped.

We also have a horse in the barn that can’t have hay, only grass and alfalfa cubes or he colics.

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Ask your vet about buscopan.

I am aware of Buscopan as an anti spasmodic, he’s been given it many times when my vet has treated his episodes medically at home. From my understanding it simply relieves the acute symptoms but doesn’t do anything to address the root of the problem or cause, kind of like Banamine?

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They have different effects and are used in different situations:

Banamine is an NSAID that reduces pain, inflammation, and fever, and binds toxins from bacteria.

Buscopan is a short-acting drug that reduces spasms in the horse’s intestinal tract. Buscopan can also relax the horse’s rectum, making it easier to perform a rectal exam. Useful for gas colic.

If your vet already uses it, great. But yeah- they have a different method of action. I’ve found it most useful in my mare who would has colic on a relatively regular basis, with no underlying physiological reason.

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I had a couple cases of colic this summer due to dehydration. The horses were sweating off their fluids and not able to stay hydrated well enough on a hay only diet. Grass has enough moisture and doesn’t cause problems.

I moved them from free choice hay to limited hay meals and that helped as well.

Free choice hay works for some horses. Mine can pull hay from the smallest hole and are experts at quickly draining their hay nets. So free choice hay, means all you can eat buffet.

I would watch how this horse eats his hay, compared with other horses. Does he gorge, does he leave the hay when he gets full? How long does it take him to empty a hay bag? How long will he continuously stand there eating hay? Is he easily interrupted or distracted during eating or does he just stuff himself?

I was told by the university to withhold all grain after a colic because grain can cause gas buildup.

I would probably switch to a completely different type of hay and either feed no grain or something like alfalfa pellets.

To me, if he had no prior issues that says that something about your current situation isn’t jiving with your horse - whether it’s the environment, the hay type, daily routine, training style, etc…It’s wild how much of an impact these things have on horses health and digestive systems.

In my situation, my mare had no prior issues either until she was brought to the barn I kept her at those first couple years. And they immediately almost entirely went away after I moved her out of it, even though it was a fantastic barn with good care. She hated turnout there and I often had to bring her in after only 15 minutes, while day 1 at the new barn she was out for 8+ hours and loved every second of it.

If his diet initially remained the same with you as the barn he came from, that could point to something in his environment as well. Lots of truly excellent boarding barns with great care just aren’t right for certain horses - some thrive in a busier environment, while others prefer peace and quiet. In my mare’s case, she was the latter. She needs as much overall “peace and quiet” as possible and any excessive busy-ness, change, or hustle and bustle causes stress to her that ultimately impacts her GI system. It was a huge sacrifice for me as I had to move her an hour away at the time, and ultimately moved my family to a new town a few months later so I could be closer.

Not suggesting you have to move to a new situation, but it’s definitely a factor to consider when looking at the big picture :slight_smile:

Happy to hear you’ve had 3 days colic-free…I totally understand the feeling of what a win that is!

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Wanted to give the kind people on here who chimed in on my situation an update… we are on week 8 of no colic! This is after taking him off the small amount (1 qt, 2x day) of senior feed he was on daily, which ironically was the thing all the vets felt very strongly WASN’T the issue. He is currently getting soaked alfalfa cubes 3x day plus a bit of ration balancer. Now I need to figure out how to maintain his weight as he gets back into real work after surgery (we are up to walk/trot/ little bit of canter under saddle). Trying to decide if I should just add oil to his current diet for calories (wondering if that’s going to be enough and I’m always a bit paranoid about it going rancid in the summer), or seeing if he can handle a different grain. Debating trying triple crown low starch (for lower sugar/starch content, though I have no evidence sugar/ starch was ever the issue— we tried soaking his hay and no grass, and he continued colicing). Or, purina ultium gastric care, which is higher NSC (17% I believe) but has gastric buffering and higher calories per pound, so could feed less volume than the triple crown LS. Any thoughts welcome and appreciated. Sadly, I have not found the number of vets I’ve tried to consult with super helpful in this.

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Oh man, I would be extremely paranoid to change anything. How great that he’s doing better! What Senior feed was he on before and what RB is he on now? Was he on any alfalfa before? Any chance the additional water from soaking the cubes is what’s helping, not the change in feed itself? Is adding some alfalfa hay an option?

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I feed my horse corn oil, otherwise I have no idea how we’d keep weight on him. We practically force feed him as it is; it’s ridiculous how much feed, hay, and alfalfa this horse has access to.

For oil in the summer–yes, it will go rancid. It’s best if you can keep it in a climate controlled environment. And you will likely know if it does go rancid; the horses I know won’t touch their food if the oil has gone bad.

Alas I don’t think I can be much help beyond that. What a doozy of puzzle to solve. I hope your boy continues to stay clear of colic!

After everything you’ve been through I’d exhaust every forage and oil option before considering a grain change if you finally have stability.

Also, he may surprise you by maintaining weight without much intervention.

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Thanks for your thoughts. He was on Proelite senior. He gets triple crown balancer now. He was on soaked alfalfa once daily before I decided to cut the senior feed entirely (and increase alfalfa to 3x). We were adding water to his senior feed before as well so that’s no different. I’ve thought about adding alfalfa hay but I’m worried about overdoing it— he’s already getting about 7# a day with the soaked cubes. I don’t want to throw his calcium/phosphorus ratio too far off and I need to do some more reading to see if there are any other concerns with an excess of alfalfa? Or maybe someone on here has thoughts?

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Thank you. Yes our feed room is not temp controlled and we set feed ahead of time, so it’s going to be logistically tricky to feed large amounts of oil. If that’s what he needs I’ll find a way. It would be preferable if he could handle a different grain, but I’m also very paranoid :confounded:

Unfortunately he is a bit ribby (still has weight to gain back from surgery) and his workload is only increasing from here so I do think we will need a fairly significant bump in calories to get him to show condition. He was maintaining on 6 qts/day of senior feed pre-surgery.

7# of cubes is not much food. That’s like two flakes of hay. (I might be misunderstanding the feed he gets. Is he on grass pasture also?). I think you could easily add a flake of alfalfa hay to help him maintain weight.

My horse is a hard keeper but without the colic problem, and rice bran is the key to keeping his weight up. Have you tried adding that to his diet?

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7# of soaked cubes broken up into 3 “meals.” He gets free choice long stem hay in addition. I had been trying to avoid things with higher NSC content like rice bran, but again, I don’t have any evidence that sugar/starch was the issue, so maybe worth looking into. Thanks for your thoughts

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Why not add a few flakes of tested low nsc alfalfa?

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I replied to another poster further up that I’m just not sure how much more I can give without overdoing it on the alfalfa— he already gets about 7#/day in soaked cubes. I don’t want to throw off his calcium/phosphorus ratio too much and I’m not sure if there are other things to be concerned about with excess alfalfa

Plenty of horses eat 20-30 lbs of alfalfa daily on dry lots out west for their entire lives. Theres an OTTB reseller that does free choice alfalfa for hundreds of horses each year without anyone getting hot or having issue. Even my Lardo mare has been on 20+ lbs of OA without issue.

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