Hey! I didn’t pour those drinks down your throat, you know!
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Can I play? I’m bored…
Let me swing first 
Competitive dressage: 1) does not correctly or patiently develop the horse up the training scale
- relies on the “crank and spank” method
OR
- uses evil tools such as draw reins or flash nose bands or really big spurs to force the horses into a fake frame and comply blindly to the witchy pooh rider on his back
and finally
- the most important thing in competitive dressage is to win the pretty blue ribbon, even if its a 35%.
There I said it…
In case any one is confused, I do ride “competitive dressage” as in I go to (a few) shows but if I try to ascribe to the above tenets, please send someone to my farm - I will probably be hanging in the rafters or splatted on the wall somewhere…
In all honesty, I don’t think there is as much difference as some people would have you believe (on both sides of the fence!)…
JMHO… from a lowly AA…[/QUOTE]
Please tell me you’re being sarcastic.
“Evil flash noseband”-force the horse into a false frame and make them comply to the “witchy poo rider on their back”…
That doesn’t make one lick of sense.
Yeah, I think she’s kidding, Anchors – to get things going.
Help yourself to the Margaritas.
Are there virgin margaritas? For those of us under 21 ;):lol:
Don’t worry! They’re Virtual, not Virgin!
Unfortunately, some people in other disciplines think dressage IS yank, crank and an artificial frame. I usually tell those people I ride with a more classical foundation, with a goal of developing the horse.
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Hey! I didn’t pour those drinks down your throat, you know![/QUOTE]
Yah, well . . . hic. . . you sure you didn’t? Oi!
Eileen
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I detest draw reins for collection and spurs for impulsion, and would rather take 2 years to get forward and straight with energy on an App, QH, or TB, than get a ribbon at TL on a purpose bred 4 year old WB being ridden daily by my trainer with draw reins, so I guess that puts me the old fashioned, closed minded, unable to adjust to modern breeding motives, classical category. Ouch![/QUOTE]
Ah but dahlink–draw reins and being “in a frame” has nothing to do with collection, and jumping forward has nothing to do with impulsion. :no: :no:
There you go fitting my long nosed"classical" profile. :lol: :lol: :lol:
[QUOTE=razalter;4121401]
I detest draw reins for collection and spurs for impulsion, and would rather take 2 years to get forward and straight with energy on an App, QH, or TB, than get a ribbon at TL on a purpose bred 4 year old WB being ridden daily by my trainer with draw reins, so I guess that puts me the old fashioned, closed minded, unable to adjust to modern breeding motives, classical category. Ouch![/QUOTE]
Put me in the old-fashioned, close-minded, unable to adjust category too! :yes:
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Ah but dahlink–draw reins and being “in a frame” has nothing to do with collection, and jumping forward has nothing to do with impulsion. :no: :no:
There you go fitting my long nosed"classical" profile. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/QUOTE]
Ah, but you see, I guess I think that only the ‘classicals’ know the difference. So maybe that makes YOU a classical too! (Why isn’t there ever an evil grinning forked tail icon around when you need it?)
Beasmom… do you have any margarita’s left? If so, I’ll provide the nachos.
I’m only here for the Margaritas. :lol: So, people don’t even agree on WHO is classical and who isn’t. Or what exactly is classical and what isn’t. If you look at it as a scale, the Spanish Riding School is on one end, and Rollkur at the other. Most people fit in somewhere in between. And some is just plain old bad riding, which occurs all along the spectrum, unfortunately.
I just had clinic with a judge, a generally classically minded judge, who said when presented with a particular problem “classical doesn’t always have an answer”. And there you go.
Can I have another one, please? On the rocks and WITH salt?
What do you call a woman with one leg shorter that the other?
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ready for it?
Eileen. :lol:
There’s “Classical” and “Klassical” too.
“Klassical” are generally too misunderstood to be able to compete. Generally nice people but very ineffective. They will also advertise themselves as being “experts in biomechanics.”
Good dressage is good dressage. At the level that most of us ride and compete, good dressage will get you good scores. Just get over it, already, and stop whinging.
Personally, I don’t give much of a hoot about the politics of international sport, but, do you really think that Steffen Peters and Debbie McDonald are out there cranking and spanking and using drawreins?
Anyhow, I’m off to have dinner with a very fine judge. I’d ask him what he thinks but he’s just roll his eyes at me and tell me to stop talking utter balderdash.
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Please tell me you’re being sarcastic.
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that would be a yes…
back to your regularly scheduled program…
. . . am I too late for a Margarita??
[QUOTE=razalter;4121401]
I detest draw reins for collection and spurs for impulsion, and would rather take 2 years to get forward and straight with energy on an App, QH, or TB, than get a ribbon at TL on a purpose bred 4 year old WB being ridden daily by my trainer with draw reins, so I guess that puts me the old fashioned, closed minded, unable to adjust to modern breeding motives, classical category. Ouch![/QUOTE]
I too detest draw reins and spur in the wrong hands, but that sounds to me like choosing to go to a car race in a Chevy Suburban over a Ferrari. You may have a blast in it and drive it extremely well, but I don’t see anything wrong with buying the Ferrari if you can and having a professional mechanic working under the hood.
Just a thought from a TB owner. 
Classical dressage is what I do. Regular dressage is what most of the rest of you do!:lol:
Pbtpbtpbtpbt – elitist!
Kill the witch! Burn her! :lol:
Eileen
Oh, shut up and have another drink!
Pour me one too!
