Men In Black isn’t a documentary.
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Dude. This isn’t theoretical. We are living it now. It is great this hasn’t affected your area yet, but my area? Definitely affected. We are even in a new “growing zone” now. I am sorry where you live it is about fear, but where I live the information is about best adaptation (such as changing crops/trees and such). Knowledge is power. What I lack is the knowledge for successful adaptation for horse keeping.
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Stay scared. I’ll stay free and happy
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Dude. Unless we unleash nukes, we will be ok. We are actually cooling right now and in 10 years, we will warm up. It’s a normal cycle.
I’m more concerned about micro plastics in our brains.
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Ignorance is bliss, as they say.
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well at times the results are altered
Both of my daughters have science degrees, one in Chemistry the other in Biology
The older with the chemistry degree, her first job out of college was in quality control for a small pharmaceutical manufacturer specializing in over the counter drugs. First day on the job the head of the department was showing her around on how to run a certain test. She was showed how “they” ran the test. Daughter had to correct the department head as they were calibrating the testing equipment incorrectly, daughter been taught on that specific test equipment while in college. She had to show them how to properly calibrate the equipment which made for an interesting first day at work,
Several months later she had to reject a product run as the test samples would not pass the QC tests. She had repeated the test several time to make sure her results were correct. Upper management told her she must had messed up as rejecting that product run was a costly issue for the company. She was told to rerun the tests, which she did but added a video camera to record the complete test. This test sample passed, until she reviewed the video which showed the VP of the company enter the lab to agitate the sample which was not a part of the test.
So sure the science works, the results may be alter to fit the needs
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Please tell that to Antartica, Australia, New Zealand, Greenland, Alaska, Northern Canada, Siberia: the north and south poles are warming the fastest.
I think what you are confusing with climate change is the Southern Oscillation across the tropical pacific known as El Nino and La Nina.
I have lived on my farm for 40 years: one doesn’t have to be a scientist to notice changes: in the wild life patterns, in the migratory bird patterns, loss of species (honeybees and bats) just on my farm’s eco system. We have never used herbicides, or chemical fertilizers. We were certified organic in 1989 and have maintained organic and regenerative agriculture practices.
The trees tell the biggest story…part of the farm’s eco system is forest. We know the forest is a collaborative effort among trees, fungi, soil bacteria, moss. The trees react to climate change (heat and drought) by not producing a lot of seeds, pinecones or in the case of walnut trees and chestnuts: nuts. Less seed, less saplings, less forest.
Climate change isn’t something to fear: it is something to face.
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Well I decided on a rainsheet with no neck. It felt like 29c but then went down below zero and it’s quite chilly this morning. That’s obviously the cooling trend that Nikki is talking about.
Some people really need to step outside of the American anti-intellectual/science bubble. I’m sorry some people are scared of airplanes in the sky. I guess I should add chem trails to my blanket math.
In the real world, I worry about the lack of water for hay growing. We’ve had a few years where our snow pack has been minimal which affect the ground water. This year we were lucky but in the last ten years or so the amount of snow we’ve got has significantly decreased.
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I’ve worked in the chemical industry going on 20 years. I have also spent several years of my time in the industry in QC labs, and auditing things like equipment calibration. Your example of your daughter has nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with a company not wanting to slow things down/pay more, and a singular person who happens to be an unethical VP who thinks they know better…sounds kinda similar to something but I just can’t put my finger on it…
I can tell you, the industry as a whole would LOVE for climate change to NOT be something material, but it is. The company I’ve been at for 13 years now launched a corporate sustainability department/CSO role in 2018 and hired me in from a different group at its launch.
Corporations do not like to spend money for nothing, They don’t create departments and new executive level roles/salaries without doing their homework first. Nearly every one of our customers has their own sustainability department and high decarbonization expectations of their suppliers.
Whether any individual on this board thinks climate change is real or not, is irrelevant to what’s happening in the real world to try and mitigate it as best we can. Businesses have BIG money to lose when their operations get shut down due to a “once in a lifetime” events. Ice storms in Texas shut us down big time a couple times now. Or severe freezing events in Germany in Austria that caused several chemical companies to declare force majeure because rail and road was stopped in its tracks. Or the heatwave in Western Europe in 2022 OR the Central Europe flooding last year. These WEATHER EVENTS cause businesses to LOSE MONEY and they dont really like that. Businesses don’t like risks, and this is a BIG one.
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Three hours. I drew the stripes with chalk first.
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Guard is also acceptable terminolgy
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That is simply not true. The existence of the greenhouse effect was theorized in 1824, the earliest quantified predictions were made by a Swedish scientist in 1896. In 1856 a (female) scientist proved that increased humidity and temperature are tied together. In 1938 another English scientist definitively showed that CO2 in the atmosphere was leading to warmer temperatures.
History of climate change science.
This trendy idea that the wise salt-of-the-earth common folk knew all along and science is nothing but fancy common sense is nothing but science denialism with a side of upper middle class anti-intellectualism and magical thinking. Plenty of indigenous people of all lands out there making a living in oil fields and refineries just like everyone else, meanwhile the majority of farmers and fishermen are hardly leading the charge on conservation of any kind. I know plenty of both.
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The biggest problem with industrial farming is that it’s nearly impossible to create a truly sustainable alternative while still remaining profitable in both yield and $$$
I listened to a podcast on the subject recently and it was quite disheartening.
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Though not strictly climate related, I am definitely paying attention to PFAS in my home and horse life, as well as the PFAS/PFOS-adulterated sludge spread on ag fields around the country and the consequent effects to life on earth.
Similar to the petroleum industry, 3M hid their knowledge of their cool inventions’ (one of which is the vetwrap we have in our tackboxes) danger and ubiquity, and, unlike the oil companies, has already begun paying public water supply companies and customers for endangering lives.
As recently as this week, the Dallas water district is suing 3M (link) and others for damages to their water supply.
So, yeah. PFAS have been found in every substance ever tested, so you’re definitely right to be concerned about plastics in our brains.
From ProPublica and the New Yorker:
How 3M Discovered, Then Concealed, the Dangers of Forever Chemicals _ The New Yorker.pdf (3.0 MB)
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The term sustainability, very generally means to leave the world better off than it was for us, for future generations.
At the moment, especially in the US anyways, we’re doing a helluva job of not doing that. It is very disheartening. There are sparks of light in other countries, but the more global the effort is, obviously the better.
Our B2B customers also wouldn’t be demanding their suppliers to decarb and innovate more sustainable materials if THEIR customers and shareholders weren’t demanding them. That has also been a major driver.
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Where I live it isn’t just less snow falling, but with the increased warm days plus wind, I think more sublimates back into the atmosphere rather than soaks into the ground. it’s shocking (to me) that despite getting a foot of snow not that long ago, we lack the usual puddles in the paddocks.
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It is. Even cover crops - you see a number of farms with them here, and a few signs promoting it, but on a bigger scale you hear that most don’t believe in it and it actually costs money for less benefit than promised. We’re gonna really need to get together industry-wide and come up with something cohesive before long…
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I don’t know where you live and what your involvement with ag is but cover crops and no-till are very widely used. “Most don’t believe in it” is simply not true.
Of course no-till necessitates using a lot of herbicide, a fact most people don’t know and that is certainly not included in outreach materials very often.
People need to stop taking facts from things like documentary films and outreach materials that are generally manipulated quite heavily. Actually journalism needs to come back.
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Theory and predictions are one thing…observation is another. And both can come to the same conclusion.
I don’t know what female scientist you refer to but it was an English steam engineer who in 1938 argued that CO2 emissions from industry were responsible for the rise in global temperatures over the previous 50 years. His name was Guy Callendar.
Just because a lay person recognizes changes but doesn’t act on it does not mean science denialism or magical thinking. Humans are notoriously resistant to change: in our personal lives, in our bodies, in our jobs/career, in our environment. Humans tend to avoid/resist/deny change until it is forced upon us.
Please point me to the post where I claimed farmers, fishermen, indigenous people are leading the charge on conservation? Recognizing a problem is one thing, and doing something about it is another…particularly when it affects one’s livelihood.
Of course there are exceptions: Standing Rock, The Klamath tribes, Alaska Department of Fish and Game, the Blackfeet Nation, Navaho Department of Agriculture, American Farmland Trust, Marine Fish Conservation Network —to name a few.
The climate change deniers will continue, they will point fingers at the government, at universities, at scientists in general. They will deny the data, they will stubbornly refuse to tweak or alter their lifestyles, they will cling to the past like a lifeboat. And that perhaps is the saddest part of all.
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Your original premise that the early warnings about climate change did not come from scientists but from regular people is still not true. They absolutely did come from scientists doing empirical research who raised the alarm far, far before it became noticeable to regular folk and those studies were based on the scientific method and we know about them today and have built on them because of that method.
All of your “exceptions” are just more of us scientists of all stripes, doing our science thing and writing it all down so future scientists can read it and build on it.
I refer to Eunice Newton-Foote who published the first paper in physics by an american woman.
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