Cobs doing dressage - lots of pics

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I have an Irish a Draught/connemara/tb cross that is a stout 15 hands. She’s at third level, and is a blast to ride. I consider her a cob type, and at the a rated shows…she definitely is not the norm with her shorter legs and round body. I love her to pieces though![/QUOTE]

I have an RID/?conn/?Trak gelding that I think would make a cob type, under 15 hands. He’s cute and a total sweetheart but I really wish he was a mare. I think he will be my old lady horse.

He’s by Winmaur Sgt Pepper RID who is a smaller Irish Draught out of Beeza. SLR has a Beeza baby and there is another COTHer who owns one but I forget her name.

SLR’s Beeza baby is nicknamed Moose…I think he’s around 17 hands.

I, too, am a Cob fan. Several years ago, I purchased a lovely just started (30days) Welsh cob mare (hard to find!!!) and brought her along until she was around 9 yrs old, she was schooling all the 3rd level work, had her changes and could jump a 2’9" course. In her younger days, I could see how in the wrong hands she could’ve turned into a bit of a little monster (SMART!!!) but for me, she was the most lovely, sensible minded creature. I ended up being able to pony my babies on her, I used her to take them out on trail for the 1st time and finally sold her to the most perfect, adorable family ever where she packed their (then) 10 year old daughter around hunter courses and they still have and love her now. I’ve owned just about every pony breed there is and this little mare still has a place in my heart…I would buy another, but maybe one that has more talent for upper level dressage, she was quite capable at the lower levels but really excelled/liked the jumping.

All very cute. But…my only problem with the GV types in the U.S. is they are Ridiculously overpriced (besides being just not my type). I have traveled in the UK, and were I into that type of horse, I I could fly there buy a nice green cob well-started and ship it home for less than what breeders of Magikal GV breeders here are asking for weanling/yearlings.

I would also note that most of the pictured horses are succeeding at the schooling show level, and the ones successful at higher levels and recognised shows appear to be mostly Welsh Cobs or full sized cobs , not the cute hairy beasties being marketed here in the U.S. as GVs.

ThAt being said there is a pretty successful GV in California doing, I believe, PSG, but that one appears to be the exception, not the rule.

My practically-perfect-in-every-way Welsh Cob/TB and I are entered in our first PSG in October. He is a relation of Norht Forks Cardi - his sire is Cardi’s grandsire.

They can be wonderful creatures, but he is one of the more hardheaded animals I’ve ever had. Always charming, and a delight to ride, but when he doesn’t want to do something, he just doesn’t.

For all that, we’ve gone from First Level to PSG, and he has been a delight and continues to amaze and impress me and my trainer. He is a savant when it comes to flying changes, and has wonderful extensions. Sitting for the pirouettes is his biggest challenge, but he’s been trying his heart out for me lately. We may never get 8’s on those pirouettes, but the fact that we’re trying the PSG means we’ve already made it way farther than I’d ever hoped or expected.

More about him, including photos, in my blog (see below).

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All very cute. But…my only problem with the GV types in the U.S. is they are Ridiculously overpriced (besides being just not my type). I have traveled in the UK, and were I into that type of horse, I I could fly there buy a nice green cob well-started and ship it home for less than what breeders of Magikal GV breeders here are asking for weanling/yearlings.

I would also note that most of the pictured horses are succeeding at the schooling show level, and the ones successful at higher levels and recognised shows appear to be mostly Welsh Cobs or full sized cobs , not the cute hairy beasties being marketed here in the U.S. as GVs.

ThAt being said there is a pretty successful GV in California doing, I believe, PSG, but that one appears to be the exception, not the rule.[/QUOTE]

Well, you could say the same thing of Warmbloods - there are plenty of mediocre WBs that are overpriced here in the US. I’m always surprised when people think it is perfectly reasonable to pay $15k for a middle aged, kind-of-first level WB that has no talent or ambition, but think that is a ridiculously high price for anything else?

They aren’t my breed of choice, but I see a lot of people very happy with them. And I agree, most of them won’t go above 2nd level, but that mare in California you refer to is showing I-1 now. And there is another one somewhere in the Mid-West that has gone PSG, and another one doing 3rd level. I don’t know all that many MORE Welsh Cobs that are showing above 2nd level - ExVet’s horses, one in California, and of course, Cardi. I think a big part of that is most people who have the ability to take a horse to the FEI levels are more committed to the “Warmblood”.

And again, the marketing machine - how many of us know several riders that are overhorsed - their trainer helps them find a fancy WB, and then the trainer does all the riding - and once a month, the owner goes out to a show and hangs on for the ride? I wish more trainers would recognize the value of the non-WB - some of them are quite capable. The joy of the Gypsy - they tend to be VERY tolerant - unlike the Welsh, the Gypsy will deal with mixed signals, timid riders, conflicting go-whoa, they have their place in the riding world (and even in the dressage world).

I also know people who have showed Morgans to the FEI levels, Arabs and Arab Crosses, and of course, Friesian crosses - not everyone needs a Warmblood! And these smaller, more sensible horses can be a much more suitable mount for many of us…

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They aren’t my breed of choice, but I see a lot of people very happy with them. And I agree, most of them won’t go above 2nd level, but that mare in California you refer to is showing I-1 now. And there is another one somewhere in the Mid-West that has gone PSG, and another one doing 3rd level. I don’t know all that many MORE Welsh Cobs that are showing above 2nd level - ExVet’s horses, one in California, and of course, Cardi. I think a big part of that is most people who have the ability to take a horse to the FEI levels are more committed to the “Warmblood”.

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All very good points, and just wanted to add one more. The mare I owned got respectable mid-high 60’s at Training/1st level, while she could have shown 2nd and maybe 3rd, the scores would have gone down a bit simply because of her quality of gaits. In the competitive area of the country that I’m in, scoring just around 60% doesn’t “mean much” to potential buyers so it doesn’t translate to $$. Plus, for me, I’m just not interested in putting in all that time/effort for meh scores unless maybe I get one at 4th/PSG. (because then I could finish my scores for my silver…selfish, I know ;-)) This is not to say that there aren’t those special individuals that can go out there and throw down the big numbers, I own one that did at lower levels and if the stars had been aligned it could/should have continued, but alas…it did not. I still love seeing the different types out there, although I will say that I prefer a more athletic type than some of these cobs, it’s nice seeing what some of them can do!

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My practically-perfect-in-every-way Welsh Cob/TB and I are entered in our first PSG in October. He is a relation of Norht Forks Cardi - his sire is Cardi’s grandsire.

They can be wonderful creatures, but he is one of the more hardheaded animals I’ve ever had. Always charming, and a delight to ride, but when he doesn’t want to do something, he just doesn’t.

For all that, we’ve gone from First Level to PSG, and he has been a delight and continues to amaze and impress me and my trainer. He is a savant when it comes to flying changes, and has wonderful extensions. Sitting for the pirouettes is his biggest challenge, but he’s been trying his heart out for me lately. We may never get 8’s on those pirouettes, but the fact that we’re trying the PSG means we’ve already made it way farther than I’d ever hoped or expected.

More about him, including photos, in my blog (see below).[/QUOTE]

Love it! Good luck at PSG!

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I have to chime in too - my Welsh Cob gelding and I are showing First right now, and I too have fallen hard for the breed.[/QUOTE]

I am DROOLING! He is GORGEOUS!! What a lucky girl you are!

Thanks, sorrelfilly721! He’s my partner in crime. :slight_smile:

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Lots of cheerful, happy dressage ponies

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/features/cobs-doing-dressage-590006[/QUOTE]

Nancy Hinz (Yellow Rose Dressage in TX) showed a Welsh Cob stallion and his offspring through GP (as well as her own Warmbloods). She worked with a line of cobs that consistently created dressage-capable horses (“upper levels” and FEI, young horse/Jr. Rider prospects, too). Madoc line was the name of the farm and horse line, and anyone can look this information up. These horses were amazing.

I absolutely must concur with J-Lu and wish to add that Nancy and Chime did what they did long before Cardi got there. The difference is that Chime didn’t make the measurement to make it into CDIs. I wrote an article several years back that tracked all of the Welsh that made to third through FEI to that point (2006, I think) out of the number registered with USDF. The percentage was actually very impressive and many were Madoc lines. There is a palomino son of Chime’s that I am watching. If I ever get another cob mare, despite having breeding rights to a purebred stallion I produced and my daughter owns, I would be very tempted to breed to him if he’s anything like his sire. The other prolific breeding program which has done well in dressage is Gallod. That is another prefix to pay attention to if you’re in the market on the US side of the pond. Though, they are no longer actively breeding per se.

The Breed Society does performance points (report http://wpcs.uk.com/news/story/wpcs_performance_awards_2015) as they have always been able to turn a hoof to many things. I am noticing a lot more Section D s doing well in dressage here in the UK and, of course, if you scratch the surface of German Riding Ponies you will find a huge amount of welsh.

Is there a requirement for cute names?

I have to say my favorites are Moo and Mr. Cobfather.

Cute cobs

We have a GV gelding who just started doing dressage this year. My non horsey husband has started taking lessons on him too this spring lol…

5 year old green horse and newbie husband sounds like a disaster combo to anyone lol but they’ve done three shows so far at intro level and the gelding packs him around like a super star and they’ve been breaking into the low 60s! I couldn’t be more pleased with this little horse. And his trainer is schooling lateral work and some extension work now. :slight_smile: I don’t know that he’ll ever be a GP horse but he should be able to move up the levels a bit and be an ammy safe partner. We are loving the brains on these things and the willingness- and I have to admit I was a snob and didn’t even want to look at him when darling hubs said all he wanted was a gypsy lol. Now he’s worth his weight in gold.

His name is Meadowbrook’s Sir Jasper. Pretty big name for a lil 14 hand, fat hairy pony.

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What a cute boy! The GV’s I’ve been around have been lovely animals.

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We have a GV gelding who just started doing dressage this year. My non horsey husband has started taking lessons on him too this spring lol…

5 year old green horse and newbie husband sounds like a disaster combo to anyone lol but they’ve done three shows so far at intro level and the gelding packs him around like a super star and they’ve been breaking into the low 60s! I couldn’t be more pleased with this little horse. And his trainer is schooling lateral work and some extension work now. :slight_smile: I don’t know that he’ll ever be a GP horse but he should be able to move up the levels a bit and be an ammy safe partner. We are loving the brains on these things and the willingness- and I have to admit I was a snob and didn’t even want to look at him when darling hubs said all he wanted was a gypsy lol. Now he’s worth his weight in gold.

His name is Meadowbrook’s Sir Jasper. Pretty big name for a lil 14 hand, fat hairy pony.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10100474868407155&set=a.671842799935.2118609.45403986&type=3&theater

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[QUOTE=BeatriceLBD;8866226]
We have a GV gelding who just started doing dressage this year. My non horsey husband has started taking lessons on him too this spring lol…

5 year old green horse and newbie husband sounds like a disaster combo to anyone lol but they’ve done three shows so far at intro level and the gelding packs him around like a super star and they’ve been breaking into the low 60s! I couldn’t be more pleased with this little horse. And his trainer is schooling lateral work and some extension work now. :slight_smile: I don’t know that he’ll ever be a GP horse but he should be able to move up the levels a bit and be an ammy safe partner. We are loving the brains on these things and the willingness- and I have to admit I was a snob and didn’t even want to look at him when darling hubs said all he wanted was a gypsy lol. Now he’s worth his weight in gold.

His name is Meadowbrook’s Sir Jasper. Pretty big name for a lil 14 hand, fat hairy pony.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10100474868407155&set=a.671842799935.2118609.45403986&type=3&theater

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You both look great on him - he’s very handsome!